my defoliated vs non defoliated... pictures inside.

PJ Diaz · Mar 13, 2013

elkukupanda said:
LOL... too bad you are unable to see the fun side of it.

I see she's having fun so good for her I guess. I don't know why she acts like some kind of expert after one harvest which she won't even just pics of. She had all kinds of pics until two weeks before harvest, and then she stopped posting in her noob thread. Just an observation..

akula · Mar 13, 2013

PJ Diaz said:
I don't know your specific situation but likely different container sizes, different ages, different nutes, different ambient temps growing up, different root masses, etc.. You get my point don't you?

You can pretty much say that about any clone on most of those. But I can tell you, other then age and, most likely, root mass, they are no different. So that would then give the disadvantage to the clone correct?

elkukupanda · Mar 13, 2013

PJ Diaz said:
I see she's having fun so good for her I guess. I don't know why she acts like some kind of expert after one harvest which she won't even just pics of. She had all kinds of pics until two weeks before harvest, and then she stopped posting in her noob thread. Just an observation..

I can't lol at this one. Putting down women as a form of machoism is pretty retarded. I meet bright women pretty often so i have to disagree with your sense of humor. I'm not an expert.. How can i explain it to you... Some people are fast learners and some people slow... i don't think i have to point out which category you fit under.. since you been doing this for 20 years and still defoliate your plants

PJ Diaz · Mar 13, 2013

akula said:
You can pretty much say that about any clone on most of those. But I can tell you, other then age and, most likely, root mass, they are no different. So that would then give the disadvantage to the clone correct?

Not necesserly. I believe in inertia and sometimes the inertia of a new clone can surpass the output of an old mom lacking vigor. Again I don't know all aspects to your situation so only speculating.

PJ Diaz · Mar 13, 2013

elkukupanda said:
I can't lol at this one. Putting down women as a form of machoism is pretty retarded. I meet bright women pretty often so i have to disagree with your sense of humor. I'm not an expert.. How can i explain it to you... Some people are fast learners and some people slow... i don't think i have to point out which category you fit under.. since you been doing this for 20 years and still defoliate your plants

Um, how did I put you down as a woman. I'm confused here.

elkukupanda · Mar 13, 2013

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PJ Diaz said:
Um, how did I put you down as a woman. I'm confused here.

Beats me man! you know that? Even tho I'm not surprised you can't understand what you talk about..
here pics for ya... I don't sell so I don't weight so I let the pics do the talk..

BTW... I smoke a lot and so the she's.... Been smoking daily for about a month and two weeks
first reminder of first harvest and second harvest in progress

oh, and this was with a 600w

akula · Mar 13, 2013

PJ Diaz said:
Not necesserly. I believe in inertia and sometimes the inertia of a new clone can surpass the output of an old mom lacking vigor. Again I don't know all aspects to your situation so only speculating.

Now it's inertia huh? Not going to get into a debate with you on that, not even saying I disagree. However I would just like to point out that you have never asked for similar quantifications in other threads where posters posted finished plants and claimed proof of victory for defoliation. In fact I have seen you beating the defoliation war drums while, not even a comparison of clones with similar grow conditions.....but comparing totally different strains. So if your not even willing to question the validity of comparing separate strains, grown in separate rooms, states, nutes, lights, growers, years....then I honestly can't give too much credence towards your inertia concerns here.

ricky6991 · Mar 13, 2013

Damn lol, noone cares about what you guys arguing about... how about new posts are strickly people who have or have no defoliated with pictures, details and a conclusion OF THERE OWN. Not speculation. People clearly are bad at speculating maturely.

PJ Diaz · Mar 13, 2013

akula said:
Now it's inertia huh? Not going to get into a debate with you on that, not even saying I disagree. However I would just like to point out that you have never asked for similar quantifications in other threads where posters posted finished plants and claimed proof of victory for defoliation. In fact I have seen you beating the defoliation war drums while, not even a comparison of clones with similar grow conditions.....but comparing totally different strains. So if your not even willing to question the validity of comparing separate strains, grown in separate rooms, states, nutes, lights, growers, years....then I honestly can't give too much credence towards your inertia concerns here.

Yes, inertia is real.

Anyway, I think you kinda got me all wrong. I'm not a huge defoil supporter. I just think that it can be used effectively in specific situations when done moderately. I also hate all the bashing that folks like yourself and UB put forth to those who try it. So I guess I do come across as a defender of the practice. Unfortunately you and a few others have pigenholed me, so you don't listen to anything I say for it's face value.

Username42 · Mar 13, 2013

Officially THE most retarded thread I have ever seen on the internet. you folks should stop claiming Koolaid, crying sexual discrimination, that defoliation means stripping everything bare, and that fart-arsing about with plants in their grow room is somehow scientific when it is not.

Dudes and dudettes, clean your screens and change your bong water.

Uncle Ben · Mar 13, 2013

PJ Diaz said:
I just think that it can be used effectively in specific situations when done moderately.

"Cialis, be prepared when the moment arrives."

elkukupanda · Mar 13, 2013

Hey UB,
how that second harvest looks? Page 11

akula · Mar 13, 2013

PJ Diaz said:
Yes, inertia is real.

Never said anything to the contrary. What I said was that I will not bother concerning myself with your concern when you don't concern yourself with other more important variables...like genetics.

ricky6991 · Mar 13, 2013

Username42 said:
Officially THE most retarded thread I have ever seen on the internet. you folks should stop claiming Koolaid, crying sexual discrimination, that defoliation means stripping everything bare, and that fart-arsing about with plants in their grow room is somehow scientific when it is not.

Dudes and dudettes, clean your screens and change your bong water.

Should clean your bong water... your the one who posted the link which a) started these dumb bickering and b) states " Start with removing the fans from all the branches and watch the results...."

Since your the one who posted that thread you agree with its guidelines. Therefore, meaning to start by REMOVING ALL FAN LEAVES... if refering to me for being "scientific" i wasnt trying to be. Just posting what my experience was.

PJ Diaz · Mar 13, 2013

akula said:
Never said anything to the contrary. What I said was that I will not bother concerning myself with your concern when you don't concern yourself with other more important variables...like genetics.

I totally agree that genetics are paramount. I wasn't trying to argue about inertia bro. Please don't look for a fight when there isn't one.

PJ Diaz · Mar 13, 2013

elkukupanda said:
how that second harvest looks? Page 11

If you trim closer, your finished product will be better. (since you asked)

Make oil or wax from the close trimmings.

skunkd0c · Mar 13, 2013

Username42 said:
Officially THE most retarded thread I have ever seen on the internet. you folks should stop claiming Koolaid, crying sexual discrimination, that defoliation means stripping everything bare, and that fart-arsing about with plants in their grow room is somehow scientific when it is not.

Dudes and dudettes, clean your screens and change your bong water.

You should check out the pictures of the plants these folk grow nothing special at all
some of them are even too afraid to post pictures

bunch of clowns LOL

elkukupanda · Mar 13, 2013

PJ Diaz said:
If you trim closer, your finished product will be better. (since you asked)

Make oil or wax from the close trimmings.

Thanks, but i do not do any combustion.. i tried different lengths and leaving a couple millimetres of white trim does a good job 0 harsh smoke on my vape baby.
I asked about the second harvest..

PJ Diaz · Mar 13, 2013

elkukupanda said:
Thanks, but i do not do any combustion.. i tried different lengths and leaving a couple millimetres of white trim does a good job 0 harsh smoke on my vape baby.
I asked about the second harvest..

Point taken. In vape I guess it doesn't matter. Dabbing oil = vape x100. No combustion. Might wanna try it.

The second harvest pics were upside down, and hard to look at without standing on my head.

akula · Mar 13, 2013

PJ Diaz said:
I totally agree that genetics are paramount. I wasn't trying to argue about inertia bro. Please don't look for a fight when there isn't one.

Good so we can then expect you to point out how a single cola picture of a plant is meaningless within the context if this debate of defoliation.

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