my defoliated vs non defoliated... pictures inside.

HeartlandHank · Mar 19, 2013

Fresh 2 De@th said:
lol. dude ur too funny, that it's not even funny.

well being who you are, one can't blame you. if you thought removing leaves promoted upward growth or even out a canopy, that should tell or give people an idea of what type of grower you are (which is mediocre at best). if i am not mistaken, i believe you were thinking of topping or lsting, stupid. only you would think that taking a fan off promotes side or later branching.
when it's all said and done, defoliating is about removing excess fans to create better light penetration, hence the reason why my nugs are solid from top to bottom which would normally be popcorn or immature buds no matter what genetics it was. and since you want to get technical a phenotype is 50/genetics and 50 environment, lame. being that you clearly didn't know that i tell you what it means, it means %50 of the density of my buds came from me and my growing ability and the reason why all my buds on every plant this run are dense.

from all the lame shit you put in this post of yours, one would think that you knew or had an idea of what you're talking about. being that you dont, i will more than likely fill you in. the dude that started this recent craze that you are now seeing isn't into lollipopping, so instead of taking off nodes he practice and perfected a way of getting the buds to mature all at once without having to take any nodes off.

as far as genetics, yours speaks for itself. Beanho, i almost died laughing when you so gladly said his name as if he's even in the league of genetics that i have grown and collected (next time try Professor P sshf3 if you're looking for better a selection). from the look of the pics they scream mediocre at best. what's even funnier is that you posted that as if you were saying something. oh, i get it, because they produce long spears that means something. not. dude ssh is commercial and that plant screams it. i thought you were going to post something of good or much better quality thats known for small to medium yields that you manage to max out and got it to put out like that, however, i was sadly mistaken. here you are putting up a commercial strain with commercial yields. i guess you showed/told Fresh.

Fresh, you are such a douche.. it cracks me up.

50/50... 50% your skills... hilarious.. Your little miniatures don't need leaves removed to get dense buds.bIt's funny how you tell us we think we are amazing growers and are not... then you go on to talk about how great your growing is. Fresh, the master grower...

Yes, i "so gladly" mentioned Beanho. All you know about genetics is what you are told to buy ... there is your MO. Let's hear about your Beanho experience and what is wrong with Beanho, Fresh. I suspect you won't be answering that question..

The words you put in my mouth... if you think that I think that pulling leaves increases any kind of growth, then you are mistaken. I have no idea what you are even trying to say with the lst and topping talk...? no clue.

My 14 week sativa is a commercial plant? :lol:

Out of all the stupid shit you wrote in there, that takes it all. A 14 wk sativa commercial plant... yeah dude. I'm out on the corner slinging my 24 inch spears of sativa. I'm wrapping them up in hemp twine and taking them to the frat house this afternoon... comedy.

As to your commercial yields thing... you got me there.I used to select the prettiest buds not taking any other aspect into account. I got over that a long time ago. I've still got a few of them. A Tom Hill deep chunk plant that I have held in veg for a few years untouched... beautiful top shelf stuff.
These days, the last of my interest is in genetics I have yet to see and helping family members out with smoke. I am selecting for larger yields and clean sativa highs... trying to get some kicks along the way. I am about one year away from having only 3 back yard fem plants from seed. Just waiting on a few family members to relocate.
I deal with plants 6 days a week, im not talking cannabis plants. I have more non cannabis plants at home to take care of than cannabis. The last thing I want to do when I get home from work is baby my little kush/hash plants so I can feel more secure about having the prettiest buds. I got over that shit in my teen years.
You are growing some nice little boutique buds. I find your quality first yield second thing admirable. Throwing your little punches and running off is cowardly though.

That G13 plant, with the nodes removed... I saw Dr Gruber lose a LB of buds to mold, from the same pack of seeds... I removed the inner nodes to make sure that the same did not happen to me. The plant has unnatural sized large growth. Removing some growth was just a precaution... I'm sure you do not have to worry about such things with your little mini plants. They are real cute btw... On a serious note.. they do look of high quality.. nice job Fresh.

Like i said before... you can get maturity, dense buds, from top to bottom without defoliating and without hurting your yields.
I can help you with that if you want... just ask nicely. Don't sweat it bud... I can go eeeextra slow, just for you.

PJ Diaz · Mar 19, 2013

chuck estevez said:
he lives in New york(explains a lot) and grows in tents(explains a lot) and talks out of his ass. I have all The proof of him being a douchebag I need.

All you ever do is insult people. How cool.

PJ Diaz · Mar 19, 2013

chuck estevez said:
let me tell you something, this will offend a lot of people, but I don't care who gets butthurt,BUT, The REAL GROWERS, Those that know there shit, are not on RIU posting pics looking for a pat on the back, Your so insecure about your skills, your here puffing your chest out. DUDE, I live in so cal, I have smoked weed for over 30 years. I have smoked weed you wish you could smoke someday. I know growers that have more experience in there right nut than you have in your whole vagina. On top of that, PICS, don't prove shit. What else you got?

Whatever dude. I've lived in norcal all my life. My buddies grow your overpriced socal weed for past 30 years. You hears of LA Confidential? My buddy grew one of it's parents for years and knows the LA Con breeder personally. I smoked girl scout cookies with him just yesterday.

chuck estevez · Mar 19, 2013

PJ Diaz said:
All you ever do is insult people. How cool.

Dude came into the thread spilling crap out of his mouth, I simply wiped it up with a towel. All you do is troll UB. How cool.

chuck estevez · Mar 19, 2013

PJ Diaz said:
Whatever dude. I've lived in norcal all my life. My buddies grow your overpriced socal weed for past 30 years. You hears of LA Confidential? My buddy grew one of it's parents for years and knows the LA Con breeder personally. I smoked girl scout cookies with him just yesterday.

HeartlandHank · Mar 19, 2013

Alexander Supertramp said:
I have finally come to one solid conclusion when it comes to this thread. Fresh2dealth is without a doubt the single biggest idiot on RIU. Sorry Bmeat, you need to move over cause there is a new King in town. And please Fresh2dealth share some more pics of your weak shit with us.....

Fresh is fucking comedy... I like Tree King more. Tree King is equally clueless but not an asshole.

HeartlandHank · Mar 19, 2013

PJ Diaz said:
Whatever dude. I've lived in norcal all my life. My buddies grow your overpriced socal weed for past 30 years. You hears of LA Confidential? My buddy grew one of it's parents for years and knows the LA Con breeder personally. I smoked girl scout cookies with him just yesterday.

Watch out guys... we got a badass here..

PJ Diaz · Mar 19, 2013

chuck estevez said:
Dude came into the thread spilling crap out of his mouth, I simply wiped it up with a towel. All you do is troll UB. How cool.

No you got it wrong. I troll trolls, which is why I'm responding to you this morning.

chuck estevez · Mar 19, 2013

PJ Diaz said:
No you got it wrong. I troll trolls, which is why I'm responding to you this morning.

your not very good at this,are you? 1 star

HeartlandHank · Mar 19, 2013

Fresh 2 De@th said:
and no one is talking about my growing skills after they checked my albums out.

Fresh, buddy, chill... your buds look good man. Damn...
Who took that chunk out of your shoulder?

akula · Mar 19, 2013

HeartlandHank said:
Watch out guys... we got a badass here..

akula · Mar 19, 2013

HeartlandHank said:
Fresh, buddy, chill... your buds look good man. Damn...
Who took that chunk out of your shoulder?

Its funny the subjects that bring up such emotions as these. It happens when you threaten someones status-quo that they have developed via faith alone. Think of these kind of discussions and the emotions they bring out with religion. These are virtually the same. These emotions are also prevalent in discussions like this one, flushing, some nutrients etc. These are also discussions highly reliant on faith alone.

When I first entered this topic on a different thread, I was actually neutral. I asked a simple question or presentation of some scientific study, peer reviewed paper, theory or even a hypothesis that backed the idea of defoliation. None was ever given. The best I got was a slew of irrelevant studies with cherry picked quotes. The studies themselves were not pro defoliation to increase yields, they were how to overcome natural defoliation by manipulating and optimizing that defoliation in different ways. Again these are tactics that desperate people that have nothing but faith to back their position to act and react.

Oh well.

Kite High · Mar 19, 2013

Fresh 2 De@th said:
hmm, i see why your mad now too. i hate to tell you, but gh 3part with the edition of useless formula is killing the dyna gro. i used dyna gro every way it could possibly be used and it still was mediocre compared to the gh 3part/useless combo. don't get me wrong, the plants came out nice, but didn't get no where as dense or as frosty as the gh 3part/useless combo.
for you, it's definitely well suited. mediocre nutes for a mediocre grow that produces mediocre results. and don't know where you got this idea that you grow a huge plant that you're automatically considered a top notch grower, because that is far from the case and any real grower will tell you the same. also, i seen a noobie produce better buds than you, same elongated structure with a lot more frost than the swag you posted, so your post of these commercial plants isn't impressing me at all.
don't know what type of response you expect when you post up commercial buds that looks to yield commercially, isn't that what it's suppose to do? DUH.

for what, dude if i had that same plant that shit would be maxed out. those are mediocre at best, how many times do i need to say it? the only people you're impressing are the girl scouts that you associate with and the noobs that doesn't know any better. check the links i post than look at yours and you will notice that buds are just as big or bigger and are blinged out. they don't need to usb micro or special camera to show the trics. their plants are maxed out, where yours isn't or HH isn't even worth mentioning.
as for you being on the Mag, you're name doesn't ring bells of one of the sites best growers or even near it.

as far my skills, like i said, my pics speaks for themselves. get over yourself homegirl, you're not that much of a beast as you thought you was. get better genetics and learn how to grow better than i'll have some respect for your skills.

also Positronics is even the league of Bodhi, Pisces, Top Dawg, Raredankness, OG Rascal and so on and so on. you can fool some of these noobs into thinking that but not all. they will see you for the mediocre grower that you are once they learn how to read plants and grow better than you, which shouldn't be too long.

i forgot more about growing and genetics than you will ever know...bodhi raskal? Gimme a break...anyone can make crosses and name therm...no one even really knows where their lines come from...when you grow up a bit you will see the error in your ways...speaking of genetics I will be selfing some Ortega Deathweed very soon...something you can never even acquire....please stop as you are really showing your ignorance

Kite High · Mar 19, 2013

Fresh 2 De@th said:
hmm, i see why your mad now too. i hate to tell you, but gh 3part with the edition of useless formula is killing the dyna gro. i used dyna gro every way it could possibly be used and it still was mediocre compared to the gh 3part/useless combo. don't get me wrong, the plants came out nice, but didn't get no where as dense or as frosty as the gh 3part/useless combo.
for you, it's definitely well suited. mediocre nutes for a mediocre grow that produces mediocre results. and don't know where you got this idea that you grow a huge plant that you're automatically considered a top notch grower, because that is far from the case and any real grower will tell you the same. also, i seen a noobie produce better buds than you, same elongated structure with a lot more frost than the swag you posted, so your post of these commercial plants isn't impressing me at all.
don't know what type of response you expect when you post up commercial buds that looks to yield commercially, isn't that what it's suppose to do? DUH.

for what, dude if i had that same plant that shit would be maxed out. those are mediocre at best, how many times do i need to say it? the only people you're impressing are the girl scouts that you associate with and the noobs that doesn't know any better. check the links i post than look at yours and you will notice that buds are just as big or bigger and are blinged out. they don't need to usb micro or special camera to show the trics. their plants are maxed out, where yours isn't or HH isn't even worth mentioning.
as for you being on the Mag, you're name doesn't ring bells of one of the sites best growers or even near it.

as far my skills, like i said, my pics speaks for themselves. get over yourself homegirl, you're not that much of a beast as you thought you was. get better genetics and learn how to grow better than i'll have some respect for your skills.

also Positronics is even the league of Bodhi, Pisces, Top Dawg, Raredankness, OG Rascal and so on and so on. you can fool some of these noobs into thinking that but not all. they will see you for the mediocre grower that you are once they learn how to read plants and grow better than you, which shouldn't be too long.

if you would rerad rather than just look at the pics you would know that they still have 7 weeks to go...if you grew them they would be 18 inches tall and dwarfed to shit.,..once again your words merely demonstrate your ignorance...and I told you I go by a different moniker, IOW child a different Name on icmag...also read the test report I posted and then you will see just how stupid you are sounding...20% thc schwag...lol

And as for
Positronics, Werner is one of the best and most respected breeders ever...also the first to sell cannabis seeds openly

dude just cause you like these so called NEW BETTER breeders doesn't mean they are the best...they are jokes...anyone can make unstabilized crosses from clones....when you grow up try some real breeders gears that are true breeding...and if you ever think you can grow grow some sativas and lets see your true skills

HeartlandHank · Mar 19, 2013

Thanks, I was a little short on time to find it... haha.

cannawizard · Mar 19, 2013

Uncle Ben said:
Back in the 60's we used to smoke BAG weed that would put some of these sissies on their ass, shaking with paranoia. We called it acid grass. It was just fine Mexican pot at $10 a lid (oz).

UB

Wish I could have tried some of those strains.. lol wasn't born yet

Tho i'am finding some "acid paranoia grass" among asian sativas, takes forever to F'n finish (even under indoor light manipulation) but the harvested buds are so worth it~ I love og kush highs (especially in the morning with some good coffee--not talking bout starbucks).. but nothing compares to the mental space trips from certain sativa-dom strains~

HeartlandHank · Mar 19, 2013

Fresh 2 De@th said:
as far my skills, like i said, my pics speaks for themselves. get over yourself homegirl, you're not that much of a beast as you thought you was. get better genetics and learn how to grow better than i'll have some respect for your skills.

also Positronics is even the league of Bodhi, Pisces, Top Dawg, Raredankness, OG Rascal and so on and so on. you can fool some of these noobs into thinking that but not all. they will see you for the mediocre grower that you are once they learn how to read plants and grow better than you, which shouldn't be too long.

Yeah man... everyone knows the goal is to be on that "Fresh" level of skills. Fresh has those skills that everyone wants. You come up short, but Fresh is throwin down the buds with his skills. Just look at his pics... They speak for him. Cause only a bro with mad skills could grow buds like that. Growin those nugs with his skills.. He's like a mad scientist, with mad growin skills.

His tent is packed... Wall to wall brother... wall to wall. Packin them walls cause that is how you do it when you have mad skills... You grow in a tent, and you pack that shit from wall to wall if you have mad skills. His skills was always good, but then he started plucking some leaves off. This was when his skills turned it up a bit to MAD SKILLS!.

He's getting beans from his boys... Shit you don't even know about. He only gets the best gear because only the best can live up to his mad skills and what he is capable of with his skills.

Fresh grows with a 62 part feed formula because that is how you do it when you got mad skills. More bottles, more buds, that is what fresh always says. If you ain't got the skills, then you don't know..

How long did it take you to get these skills Fresh? I wanna hear more about your skills.

Po boy · Mar 19, 2013

ricky6991 said:
First hand experience for me shows NOT to take any fan leafs... in fact, this has me nervous to even pull a fan leaf off if its big enough to block 8 plants lol.

thanks for finishing your experiment. it does answer a lot of arguments.

for you non believers, ricky's experiment and Uncle Ben's comments are all you need to know.

Uncle Ben · Mar 19, 2013

Kite High said:
And as for
Positronics, Werner is one of the best and most respected breeders ever...also the first to sell cannabis seeds openly

Indeed. My avatar is a Werner Positronics Jack Herer. Is he still living, breeding, and selling stock? That is one guy I'd still spring some money on for his genetics. Many years ago I corresponded with "Genefinder" aka Sjoerd of The Flying Dutchmen about Werner and I vaguely remember he was out of the cannabis picture.

UB

PJ Diaz · Mar 20, 2013

Po boy said:
thanks for finishing your experiment. it does answer a lot of arguments.

for you non believers, ricky's experiment and Uncle Ben's comments are all you need to know.

Just make sure that you know also that in ricky's experiment, he removed leaves from ALL his plants. Two of his plants had the leaves completely stripped, and the other 10 were moderately defoliated. That's the real truth.

my defoliated vs non defoliated... pictures inside.

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