My " cotyledon leaves " are yellow. The baby ones

Taviddude

Taviddude

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friendlyperson92 said:
lol if you're going to accuse me of not reading his post. read my post. not just the first line. idiot. i said i was outdoors(so obviously soil) and i just didn't take his soil into consideration when reading his post. my bad. but before you start accusing people of shit, make sure you don't do it.
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  • honestly i wouldn't use nutes at all for about a month. because at that point it's really easy to nute burn them. it won't make a big difference at all. on my outdoor grow, i didn' use nutes for a few months. (4ish) and i didn't have a problem, but i was outdoors.​




I accused you of giving him shit advice which you did. You still say that you didn't take his "soil" into concideration, but He's Not Growing In SOIL. If you don't know Hydro, then why not wait for someone who does. He said he's growing in inert media (rockwool) and you tell him not to feed for a month. It's nothing personal really, I warned him to watch out for that type of shit, and people that just like to see themselves type. If I see a question on a soil grow I generally let the soil growers stab it unless people are just left hanging in which case I'll help the best I can since I do grow some in soil. Before I give useless, or wrong advice I'll just leave it. When it comes to hydro, it's a different story. I like to see people succeed, and all too often people starting in hydro come to ask a question and get ten different answers from ten different people of which only 2 might have any sort of decent advice, or even be successful hydro growers.



Yeah, I'm an idiot for offering useful advice, and trying to help a hydro grower avoid making some of the mistakes that I did.
Sorry man.
 
jondamon

jondamon

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If you check out the link in my sig I journal'd a grow in hydro using 1x1 cubes then 3x3 cubes, then into hydroton filled pots.

I tried to journal everything I was doing from pH and EC values, res testing and adjustments and dumps and fills. It may help you out a little more if you read it. I think it's around 24pages long I pulled just over 12oz from 4 plants.

Its pretty detailed and it really will help if you have the time to read it.



J
 
jondamon

jondamon

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Taviddude said:

  • honestly i wouldn't use nutes at all for about a month. because at that point it's really easy to nute burn them. it won't make a big difference at all. on my outdoor grow, i didn' use nutes for a few months. (4ish) and i didn't have a problem, but i was outdoors.​


I accused you of giving him shit advice which you did. You still say that you didn't take his "soil" into concideration, but He's Not Growing In SOIL. If you don't know Hydro, then why not wait for someone who does. He said he's growing in inert media (rockwool) and you tell him not to feed for a month. It's nothing personal really, I warned him to watch out for that type of shit, and people that just like to see themselves type. If I see a question on a soil grow I generally let the soil growers stab it unless people are just left hanging in which case I'll help the best I can since I do grow some in soil. Before I give useless, or wrong advice I'll just leave it. When it comes to hydro, it's a different story. I like to see people succeed, and all too often people starting in hydro come to ask a question and get ten different answers from ten different people of which only 2 might have any sort of decent advice, or even be successful hydro growers.



Yeah, I'm an idiot for offering useful advice, and trying to help a hydro grower avoid making some of the mistakes that I did.
Sorry man.
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Dont beat yourself up bro. After 3 yrs of using this site you find that some ppl mindlessly type without reading everything contained in posts.

Your advice was good solid advice.


In the journal I've talked about my Cotyledons are around for a VERY long time because I fed them well if I remember rightly they only yellowed towards the very end of flowering when my colas were as big as your forearm.


Keep your head up and don't sweat it.



J
 
friendlyperson92

friendlyperson92

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i know about hydro. lol. it just didn't register in my head. like i said. my bad. and oh em gee. i said soil instead of medium. hang me for it.
 
jondamon

jondamon

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friendlyperson92 said:
i know about hydro. lol. it just didn't register in my head. like i said. my bad. and oh em gee. i said soil instead of medium. hang me for it.
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It's ok don't worry yourself too much. Just bare in mind that if you were the only person that posted to try and help and the OP took your advice about NOT feeding they could have messed up their grow. Keep on growing!!!!J
 
friendlyperson92

friendlyperson92

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the point of posting on a forum is to cross reference against other people. lol. so if he would have taken a single person's advice (which i admit was wrong) he would have been at fault too without doing more research into the matter. but like i said. i made a mistake. my bad.
 
billsmurray

billsmurray

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Thanks again for stoping by Taviddude!

Your reassurance and advice is VERY APPRECIATED!

I was pretty sure I was on point, just wanted to be realllly sure.

Have done much research for the last yr and half.

The ebb and flow is a great method, Have used that method for my first grow. I just do not want any nutrient imbalances, which can be more prevalent in E&F.

NEW QUESTION???


I have mixed up my nutes with my RO water, The org. ppm of the ro water is around 6.4 -

After the nute's being mixed in, The PH jumped to 9.4???/ WTF???

It was my understanding that nutes will bring the PH value down, not up. ???

I am using the canna substra drip to waste.

So the question is, what is your experience with PH value change after adding NUTES????

Thanks for stoping by and for sharing your time and knowledge!!
 
billsmurray

billsmurray

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jondamon said:
If you check out the link in my sig I journal'd a grow in hydro using 1x1 cubes then 3x3 cubes, then into hydroton filled pots.

I tried to journal everything I was doing from pH and EC values, res testing and adjustments and dumps and fills. It may help you out a little more if you read it. I think it's around 24pages long I pulled just over 12oz from 4 plants.

Its pretty detailed and it really will help if you have the time to read it.



J
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Man I will defiantly take a look at it, First hand experience is hard to match with a book.

Thanks for stoping by and sharing.

What do you think about the unadjusted PH of my mixed up nutes??
 
jondamon

jondamon

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billsmurray said:
Man I will defiantly take a look at it, First hand experience is hard to match with a book.

Thanks for stoping by and sharing.

What do you think about the unadjusted PH of my mixed up nutes??
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Canna recommend allowing your nutes to sit for at least 1 hour before checking pH for it to stabalise then adjust.


I have found with canna that if you are using any PK1314 this can increase the pH.

Also any cal mag will increase the pH also.

Any potassium silicate will increase pH too.


Just make sure you adjust to between 5.2-6.2.


I used to base my pH on what stage of growing I was at to make different elements more available to the plant based on pH uptake tables.

BUT THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER STORY LOL.


J
 
Taviddude

Taviddude

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jondamon said:
I used to base my pH on what stage of growing I was at to make different elements more available to the plant based on pH uptake tables.

BUT THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER STORY LOL.


J
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Yeah, I usually run 5.5-5.8 for Veg, and 5.8-6.0 in Bloom.
 
cues

cues

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billsmurray said:
Thanks again for stoping by Taviddude!

Your reassurance and advice is VERY APPRECIATED!

I was pretty sure I was on point, just wanted to be realllly sure.

Have done much research for the last yr and half.

The ebb and flow is a great method, Have used that method for my first grow. I just do not want any nutrient imbalances, which can be more prevalent in E&F.

NEW QUESTION???


I have mixed up my nutes with my RO water, The org. ppm of the ro water is around 6.4 -

After the nute's being mixed in, The PH jumped to 9.4???/ WTF???

It was my understanding that nutes will bring the PH value down, not up. ???

I am using the canna substra drip to waste.

So the question is, what is your experience with PH value change after adding NUTES????

Thanks for stoping by and for sharing your time and knowledge!!
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pH jumped to 9.4? Something is seriously wrong with whatever you are measuring pH with.
 
billsmurray

billsmurray

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jondamon said:
Canna recommend allowing your nutes to sit for at least 1 hour before checking pH for it to stabalise then adjust.


I have found with canna that if you are using any PK1314 this can increase the pH.

Also any cal mag will increase the pH also.

Any potassium silicate will increase pH too.


Just make sure you adjust to between 5.2-6.2.


I used to base my pH on what stage of growing I was at to make different elements more available to the plant based on pH uptake tables.

BUT THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER STORY LOL.


J
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Jondamon - Hey thanks for the fast reply, having the right support is making my head hurt alot less. lol

I was aware of waiting for the nutes to settle before ph'ing, i let them settle for about an hour and half.

I have corrected the PH to 5.5 and feed the ladies their first batch of nutes, after transplanting them into 3x3's (soaked for 24 hrs. 5.0 PH)

NEXT QUESTION??

After researching, I believe I should just leave them be for the next 24-48 hrs, as the cubes will still be saturated ( due to plants being small)

????? Is this correct? Do you believe I should kick it for 24 hrs before checking cube PH and seeing what is going on?

Thanks again for sharing your knowledge about nutes and minerals affecting the PH.



Also, when should I feed them again, 24 Hrs. 48 Hrs? Just wait until they Look/ Feel about 75% lighter?
 
billsmurray

billsmurray

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cues said:
pH jumped to 9.4? Something is seriously wrong with whatever you are measuring pH with.
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Senior, you are possibly correct....... my PH pens are calibrated.....all 3 of them....... What do you believe could have caused this?

I am aware that CANNA RHIZOTONIC is a PH upper...... I believe this could have caused it, the only other things added were Canna Substra Vega A & B



Regardless, I have corrected the PH of my nutes to 5.2 ------since has drifted to 5.5, But I am happy with that, for now.
 
billsmurray

billsmurray

Member
jondamon said:
Canna recommend allowing your nutes to sit for at least 1 hour before checking pH for it to stabalise then adjust.


I have found with canna that if you are using any PK1314 this can increase the pH.

Also any cal mag will increase the pH also.

Any potassium silicate will increase pH too.


Just make sure you adjust to between 5.2-6.2.


I used to base my pH on what stage of growing I was at to make different elements more available to the plant based on pH uptake tables.

BUT THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER STORY LOL.


J
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Jondamon -

What has been your experience using an aeration stone in the CANNA NUTES?

I have read in their Pamphlets the do not recommend one, Due to PH swings caused by the bubbles.

They recommend a recirculating pump instead. WHAT DO YOU DO SENIOR?
 
billsmurray

billsmurray

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jondamon said:
Currently I don't but I've always kept an airstone in the res. I used a 3" ring.



J
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So you do not aerate your nute res at all? Just want to make sure I am understanding this correct....... Does your system recriculate your nutes then?

Thanks for stopping by. Hope your halloween is great man! scare the shit out of those hoodlems
 
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