Clones, I got them at 8-12 inches. vegged for 4 weeks after that under 400w Mh. Transfered my 28 ladys into 1 gallon pots w/Fox Farm ocean forrest. Have been flowering since jan 6th under 400w HPS. feed them generic bloom nutes 1 time a few days ago, now it's just going to be H2o and mollassas untill the the last week. I had a spider mite, over watering, nute burn problems but all in all I'm happy so far with my first go.