No imposition my friend. I hope you figure out what is going on.
Multiple problems?
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No imposition my friend. I hope you figure out what is going on.
https://www.growweedeasy.com/marijuana-symptoms-pictures
This is an amazing “problem calculator”
Looks like I have a phosphorus deficiency.
This is an amazing “problem calculator”
Looks like I have a phosphorus deficiency.
It's the usual time for it to happen, but it was caught early enough to not stress the plant too much at mid flower. It turns into a pissing contest because truth be told, i get a bit annoyed when i see blatantly wrong info being given out. It's one thing if the issue is not fully understood so people guess one way or another, but to come straight out to be sure of something when it's clearly wrong info being given out as the cold truth, it gets annoying and threads turn into this. Often times you see that in posts, info that makes zero sense at all, and people who are new and don't know better, will follow it blindly and set themselves back quite a bit. Sometimes the info here is like, hey, my car won't start, what can be the issue, and someone comes in and surely says, well to me that looks like an issue with your tires. The main reason i know what i know today about how elements interact with each other in soil at different ph levels and different quantities in the medium is because i was misled from forums when i first started, so i had no choice but to spend at least 6 months of full-time reading and even after, still learning, about how plants eat/grow, to fully comprehend the cycle.
It can get overwhelming for someone new, how the hell does one know if they have a deficiency of an element, or a lockout due to ph or an excess of another element that locks out another one? With some 20 elements that plants eat, the combinations can be endless as to what causes what to lock out. First thing first, it's best to fully know what each deficiency of each element looks like, then understanding what causes said element to not be present for the plant. It comes in time, with practice, and unless one has their plant sciences, or a horticultural degree, alot of reading! Usually best done with research papers from universities.
Hope the grow continues well! The plants seem quite nice!
FYI. Fox farm upcountry does not contain any fertilizer. It is a basic blend that greenhouses and nurseries use on all of their in house plants. The bag is 2x the size of the known fox farm blends at the same price. They can do that because they do not put fertilizer in it.
polishpollack
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What I said was that I could only guess that Upcountry was like FFOF. The truth is, none of us had a clue as to whether it had nutrients or not. Right now, I don't see how this can be a phosphorus deficiency when you're using Canna Flores. Let's not forget that. So what's the plan of attack now? Please keep this thread running by coming back to it so we can see what you do and the outcome. I think Blitz and I have a keen interest in what happens from here on out.
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polishpollack
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Does that mean you're going to use more of the Canna? If you feel that's the right thing then do what you feel is best. After all, it's just a plant and if it dies you can get another one easily. It's important to everyone that you come back here and tell us what you did and the result because people need to learn from this. So many times a grower fails to come back and show the out come and then no one learns anything. Please come back.
Dude, get a life lol. It's like you're hoping and praying with your little fingers that it dies and it all goes to hell because he didn't listen to your 'advice' lol. You are fuckin sad buddy! lol. Please come back, please please come back and say blitz was wrong and your plant died so we can all learn lol. This is why i leave the site, i only come hree to help, but seems every site has its dipshit who has to ruin it for others lol. Good luck the rest of the way leo, watch out for brain dead growers, don't let them lead you down the wrong path! Take care!
polishpollack
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It's pretty unlikely to be phosphorus def because the grower is using Canna Flores and doing so in a potting soil grow. But we'll let the outcome speak for itself.
If anyone's plants are showing sign of phosphorus def it would be bluedream2 in #13.
If anyone's plants are showing sign of phosphorus def it would be bluedream2 in #13.
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Tangerine_
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Leo, what's your water source?
And is the soil peat based or an actual soil with carbon/humus? (these need to be treated a little differently when transitioning to bottles)
PH tends to dive in peat based mediums if over watered or over extended time periods.
As it looses its liming "charge" the plants have difficulty up-taking nutes and they're more susceptible to heat stress (those little orange/brown necrotic spots along with leafs veins) and the plant will essentially start to eat itself.
I think you may have been on the right track from the beginning.
And is the soil peat based or an actual soil with carbon/humus? (these need to be treated a little differently when transitioning to bottles)
PH tends to dive in peat based mediums if over watered or over extended time periods.
As it looses its liming "charge" the plants have difficulty up-taking nutes and they're more susceptible to heat stress (those little orange/brown necrotic spots along with leafs veins) and the plant will essentially start to eat itself.
I think you may have been on the right track from the beginning.
polishpollack
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In the end, I don't think anyone knows exactly what the problem is. But since the grower is giving a flowering kind of fertilizer and this is a potting soil grow, I'd think it's anything but phosphorus def. Any phosphorus not taken up will sit in potting soil for a period of time and be taken up later. If repeated feedings are given, this condition gets worse to the point of being toxic to the plant. Blitz seemed to completely ignore what's being given to the plant. Other issues might exist. We won't know until time passes and the grower tells us what happened. Blitz is an aggressive communicator and these people always feel a need to tell people what they think even when wrong. The Canna Flores fert is designed to be used in a run-to-waste system. Potting soil is the exact opposite.
The red stem suggests phosphorus def. the second picture was the next day and has fallen off. My thoughts are calcium and phosphorus def. Also, I was wrong about my specific fert. I have the one made for soil. I never flood to the point where there is drainage.
Still just using 5.7-6.2 ph water for now.
Still just using 5.7-6.2 ph water for now.
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Good questions. The water is city sourced. It tends to smell a bit like chlorine some time but not often. I fill a 2gal bucket and set it in a sunny spot so the sun can blast the chlorine. Might be pointless if they use the other stuff. Chloromine?? Idk. The soil is commercial potting soil. I am not sure of the makeup. Including a picture. As for heat... I was keeping the tent at 85 max. I bumped the potentiometer and increased the light. The temp hit 91 that day so the last few days I have been trying to get to the original output/heat combo. The real odd variable was an increase in fan speed that resulted in higher temps. The light is 24” off canopy.
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Tangerine_
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There probably is enough phosphorus but it could be unavailable to the plant, especially if your water has a high iron content.
I don't have any experience with that particular Canna nute but if you're not running it as a drain to waste you might have some build-up causing lockout.
Essentially, both answers you received could be correct. The plants could be P deficient but not because it isn't in there...its just unavailable.
I think this is also why you're seeing what appears to be a Cal deficiency.
You could try just giving the plants good clean water for a wk or so and see how they do. Sometimes a little Epsom can help unlock things too.
I don't have any experience with that particular Canna nute but if you're not running it as a drain to waste you might have some build-up causing lockout.
Essentially, both answers you received could be correct. The plants could be P deficient but not because it isn't in there...its just unavailable.
I think this is also why you're seeing what appears to be a Cal deficiency.
You could try just giving the plants good clean water for a wk or so and see how they do. Sometimes a little Epsom can help unlock things too.
Jypsy Dog
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Handy to have... Might save a fight.
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http://catnews.org/FREE Pot Books/Marijuana Garden Saver [2005].pdf
polishpollack
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In the end this has been an interesting thread. It's totally possible that I was wrong, but at least I never called anyone "dipshit." Leo, I hope you get this solved and come back and let us know what you do and the outcome.
Some things I forgot to ask: what's the ppm of each water/nute mix when you give it? How often do you use the flores in water? is it every time you water or every second time, or how often do you feed? How many days per week would you say you have to give water or a water/fert mix? Is it possible that your pH is too low?
Why does every thread turn into a pissing contest? Because sometimes, that's how we roll.
Some things I forgot to ask: what's the ppm of each water/nute mix when you give it? How often do you use the flores in water? is it every time you water or every second time, or how often do you feed? How many days per week would you say you have to give water or a water/fert mix? Is it possible that your pH is too low?
Why does every thread turn into a pissing contest? Because sometimes, that's how we roll.