Most Underrated Breeders

dankydonky said:

chimera and paradise aren't overrated..chimera doesn't compare a lot in forums but people that grown his stuff know that they're good

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pretty simple to take dj's work and water it down. i have grown 4 of his strains and that is what i observed anyways. got some hermies with c-plus as well. Mr.Nice and Dj r underrated if you ask me.

Omgwtfbbq Indicaman said:

most people like me have a distaste for buying fem product at a higher sale price, i think fems are worth less than regs, the market disagree's. All you need to do to call yourself a "feminised seed breeder' is have a bunch of female clones and some good ol colloidal silver. no real selection process, no chance for future breeding, what you get is as good as its gonna get, or as stable as it will ever get.


now i think the method of using CS on a female is actually enlightening, as the sex parts YOUR desired pheno produces will have alot of resemblance to what you might actually want in a male (ie desplaying the male traits in order to make selecting the keeper male easier). but i guess i'm one of the only people who thinks this.

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the only reason i can see breeders and seedbanks charging more for fems is because it takes less work/space on your part. if you pop a 5 pack of fems then (assuming its a good breeder) you should have 5 solid fems. if you grow a 5 pack of regs you might only get 2 or 3 females and 2 or 3 males. so i guess it takes more soil (if thats what you use...its what i use)...more room in grow space (for nothing essentially unless you're breeding..if you're just growing for smoke its a waste in the end of a female that could have took its place in veg)

i guess thats the big sell. it works for me. when i had a bigger grow setup (2 600w for flowering and 1 4ft 6 bulb t5) regs taking up space and money (soil, electricity, nutes, etc until i found out they are male) wasnt as big of a deal. now i veg under a 2ft 4bulb t5 and flower under a 150w hps so for me personally fems are the way to go so i dont waste any of my lumens on plants that wont turn out to be female.

so idk i guess theres some good reasons why fems are higher priced.

on a breeding standpoint i agree. what you get is what you get once you make the cross. thats why i think its all the more important to get a good breeder for fems because its not gonna get ne better lol. at least with regs the gene pool can be more easily manipulated.

and i also love the concept of CS.

another good use for it is to make S1's instead of feminized crosses. i plan on getting some TGA beans in the future and i'd like to find a winner pheno and make S1's so ill have a lot of (essentially) clones in seed form of TGA beans as well as other breeders i like who sell regs only.

CS is awesome!! I cross basically everything I can when I get the pollen of one, and then based off of how the mom smoked then I'll decide to grow it out or not. If you use 2 fire ass moms to make the fems you get really good results if the selection has been done right. I usually like to cross those with similar characteristics. IM about to make some backcross of
(sour ak x chernobyl) x chernobyl (the original pollen donor, its pollinated by the Sour x cherno)
I have some jilly bean x jilly bean and a S1 of those. Doing dairy queen now, hopefully I get a fem.
I want to make a ton of S1's of this chernobyl as well, ill keep cloning and revegging it for now, but it's nice to have a gang of seeds and crosses. I've been as happy or better off with many I've made compared to bought. Only a few are better that I've bought, and some have improved a good deal from crossing with each other, like a Master Kush x Buku I did, i like the cross better than each of the original.

Mr. Nice Guy
Sweet seeds
Cali connection
Seedsman

ive seen a few posts about cali connection and MNG .
Any of you heard of sweet seeds or seedsman?

ataxia said:

KOS ...way too under rated. Flying Dutchman, bodhi , holy smoke.

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KOS is coming out w/new gear, they had just had a huge sale on old strains.

Fruitbat said:

Esko. Sannie. Professor P.

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Dynasty!, I'm running 3 of the professors' strains at the moment.

Mrr nice and seedsman r the best buddy. I wouldnt recomend cc at all from my experience. Mr nice has black widow and it is 3x the yield and better smoke then OSD. I dont get the attraction but i had it cuz i grew it lol wish i didnt

Hmm im gonna have best buddy jeans (genes) at my house.. i hope their strains like each other as much as they do. I may be doing some of my own breeding if i can ever get some of the imfamous black widow.

I guess no one has heard of sweet seeds ha sweetseeds.es if you can read french.

themanwiththeplan said:

the only reason i can see breeders and seedbanks charging more for fems is because it takes less work/space on your part. if you pop a 5 pack of fems then (assuming its a good breeder) you should have 5 solid fems. if you grow a 5 pack of regs you might only get 2 or 3 females and 2 or 3 males. so i guess it takes more soil (if thats what you use...its what i use)...more room in grow space (for nothing essentially unless you're breeding..if you're just growing for smoke its a waste in the end of a female that could have took its place in veg)

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It's actually more supply/demand. It's a lot less work for a breeder to make feminized seed. A lot.

i guess thats the big sell. it works for me. when i had a bigger grow setup (2 600w for flowering and 1 4ft 6 bulb t5) regs taking up space and money (soil, electricity, nutes, etc until i found out they are male) wasnt as big of a deal. now i veg under a 2ft 4bulb t5 and flower under a 150w hps so for me personally fems are the way to go so i dont waste any of my lumens on plants that wont turn out to be female.

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Fair enough man.

so idk i guess theres some good reasons why fems are higher priced.

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Supply/demand is reason enough, although I think the demand for them is partly based on ignorance for some.

on a breeding standpoint i agree. what you get is what you get once you make the cross. thats why i think its all the more important to get a good breeder for fems because its not gonna get ne better lol. at least with regs the gene pool can be more easily manipulated.

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It really just depends on the plants in question, but no doubt there is likely less diversity in feminized lines. There still could be a lot more diversity than in a true breeding regular line however.

another good use for it is to make S1's instead of feminized crosses. i plan on getting some TGA beans in the future and i'd like to find a winner pheno and make S1's so ill have a lot of (essentially) clones in seed form of TGA beans as well as other breeders i like who sell regs only.

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They won't be clones. Not even close to it. TGA genetics are quite heterozygous by virtue of the parents he uses. You will probably get huge variation. I don't think his stuff breeds true for much, if anything. Special plants to be had in it though.

Im currently using cs on my female mekong landrace, plan on crossing it to my favorite indicas and seeing what the hybrids become, hoping for the best.

Im sory but chimera is a legit breeder, his gear isnt watered down, thats just nonsense you are spreading.

jordan of the islands. i haven't heard his name in years, but remember 3-4 members loving his stuff in a defunct forum from around '04. i see he's still making beans, at hemp depot i think.

the author of cannabible really likes dr atomic gear, especially NL haze, but his metal haze sounds even cooler to me. sadly, most of the banks that sell his gear are sketchy, but i've had great results with hemp depot back when joey weed was still making cindy & apollo beans.

joey weed was underrated. those of us that grew his stuff liked it. it was the first gear i bred with, and made a really nice generic fruity and sticky haze with his cindy and short stuff's super cali haze. it's sad to see another breeder with essential gear leave the scene.

Im sory but chimera is a legit breeder, his gear isnt watered down, thats just nonsense you are spreading.

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that's why HIS orange flavored C plus (not critical +) is the strain at the top of my cali-o list just because TGA's agent orange name has connotations in opposition to my spitituality. that one's already trippy, but if memory serves me right, the chimera grower that mentioned C plus said it's delicious. i bet that crossed with a lemon pheno of malawi gold would be awesome... way tastier than a haze skunk.

hazey grapes said:

that's why HIS orange flavored C plus (not critical +) is the strain at the top of my cali-o list just because TGA's agent orange name has connotations in opposition to my spitituality.

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lmao hazey you get me every time "TGA's agent orange name has connotations in opposition to my spitituality" your a funny guy hazey thats a classic. lmao


well the reason I would go with chimera is cause he's a breeder TGA on the other hand is a pollen chucker. but thanks hazey I needed a good laugh. lol

I vote for DJ Short, Bodhi, Mosca and myself. Everything I have tried from those guys has lived up to my expectations. I voted for myself b/c in my pollen chucking I made a cross of SSSDH and Mosca's Sweet Tooth that can give most strains I have bought a run for the $. Happy holidays and good growing to all!

Cant even go to Mr Nice without Bluntmassa bashin on Sub. Holy shit man give us a break. What did the guy do fuck your mom?

Jack n Molly said:

Hmm im gonna have best buddy jeans (genes) at my house.. i hope their strains like each other as much as they do. I may be doing some of my own breeding if i can ever get some of the imfamous black widow.

I guess no one has heard of sweet seeds ha sweetseeds.es if you can read french.

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I have heard of Sweet Seedss. Even tried growing 3 of their strains. Hydro and soil for their Big Devil. Most worthless plant I have ever bought seed for and misnamed as a joke. Their Fast Bud is not and their Speed Devil? Grew like arugula, got a foot tall and I killed it out of spite. Seriously. I would never grow any of their stuff again.

World of Seedss is way underrated. Try their White Rhino X Mazar. EXCELLENT plant and smoke.

And G13 Labs OG13 - their version of plain old OG Kush - is extremely recommended for growing and smoking. Excellent, excellent, excellent.

Sick Meds https://www.sickmeds.com/ William's Wonder; Green Crack

Breeder's Boutique...Engineer's Dream, Psycho Killer

Reggae Seeds...Juanita la Lagrimosa

FWIW

Doobius1 said:

Cant even go to Mr Nice without Bluntmassa bashin on Sub. Holy shit man give us a break. What did the guy do fuck your mom?

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He's right though. Sub is a pollen chucker of the highest order.

Omgwtfbbq Indicaman said:

Im sory but chimera is a legit breeder, his gear isnt watered down, thats just nonsense you are spreading.

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chimera used djs work according to chimera himself. i know him and grown 4 of his strains just my observations along with the seed distributor that i bought them from lol mental floss bahah Then i have grown most of djs gear and Mr nice and sure if you want waterdowned genetics for less $ chimera is the guy. there is alot worse breeders, he used djs work which i love. call it waterdowned, ever grown mental floss or his other gear?