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TheBrutalTruth

TheBrutalTruth

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[FONT=Palatino, Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif][SIZE=+2]Shocker! Uninsured not jamming emergency rooms[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Palatino, Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif][SIZE=+1]1st major study contradicts conventional assumptions[/SIZE][/FONT]
[SIZE=-1]Posted: March 09, 2009
9:51 pm Eastern

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[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]WASHINGTON[/FONT][/FONT] – Hospital emergency rooms are overcrowded because uninsured patients have nowhere else to turn.
Right?
Wrong, says a [FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]study[/FONT][/FONT] published in the Journal of the American Medical Association.
Hospital emergency rooms are, indeed, jammed. But it's not for the reason proponents of nationalized health care suggest.
The study, "Uninsured Adults Presenting to U.S. Emergency Departments: Assumptions vs. Data," found most emergency rooms are packed because more patients of all kinds – insured and uninsured alike – are choosing to visit them. Further, the study found, emergency room patients are being kept there longer than necessary when they should often be checked in or treated in a doctor's office.

"This is a larger problem, and the emergency room is the canary in the coal mine," explained Carla Keirns, a contributor to the study.
In conducting the first study of its kind, researchers discovered other scholarly papers on the uninsured found that most simply assumed the uninsured are the principal cause of emergency room overcrowding.
In fact, Devon Hetrick, senior fellow at the National Center for Policy Analysis, blamed those carrying government insurance for much of the overcrowding of emergency rooms.
"It's not the uninsured who burden America's emergency rooms so much as it is people who are carrying government insurance policies," he said. "The low reimbursement rates offered doctors by government programs means very few will accept taxpayer-funded insurance any more, leaving those on government plans to visit ERs for care instead of primary-care physicians."
 
ViRedd

ViRedd

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"It's not the uninsured who burden America's emergency rooms so much as it is people who are carrying government insurance policies," he said. "The low reimbursement rates offered doctors by government programs means very few will accept taxpayer-funded insurance any more, leaving those on government plans to visit ERs for care instead of primary-care physicians."

Just more unintended consequenses causes by misdirected Do Gooders.

Vi
 
medicineman

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ViRedd said:
"It's not the uninsured who burden America's emergency rooms so much as it is people who are carrying government insurance policies," he said. "The low reimbursement rates offered doctors by government programs means very few will accept taxpayer-funded insurance any more, leaving those on government plans to visit ERs for care instead of primary-care physicians."

Just more unintended consequenses causes by misdirected Do Gooders.

Vi
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Absolutely wrong. The fact that Dr.s are not taking the Medicare supplements are because the supplements are being cut while the Dr.s are raising their fees. This is also happening in the private sector. Many HMO.s charge up to 100.00-150.00 to see a primary care Dr. A lot of middle class or especially the working class poor can't afford those visits, hence the emergency room visits. Once the total plan is handed over to the Govt., Dr's will have little choice if they want to eat but to accept the governments plan. Will it be perfect, well no, but I'm pretty sure it could be at least as good as the VA, and the VA is not all that bad. Operations at the VA are usually conducted at teaching university hospitals, where a certified surgeon conducts the operation while students observe, sometimes assisting in the procedure. There are so many observers, that the surgeon is or must be on his best behavior
 
ViRedd

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medicineman said:
Absolutely wrong. The fact that Dr.s are not taking the Medicare supplements are because the supplements are being cut while the Dr.s are raising their fees. This is also happening in the private sector. Many HMO.s charge up to 100.00-150.00 to see a primary care Dr. A lot of middle class or especially the working class poor can't afford those visits, hence the emergency room visits. Once the total plan is handed over to the Govt., Dr's will have little choice if they want to eat but to accept the governments plan. Will it be perfect, well no, but I'm pretty sure it could be at least as good as the VA, and the VA is not all that bad. Operations at the VA are usually conducted at teaching university hospitals, where a certified surgeon conducts the operation while students observe, sometimes assisting in the procedure. There are so many observers, that the surgeon is or must be on his best behavior
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Well, speaking as one who sees a cardiologist and a renal specialist on a regular basis, I sure don't relish the thought of one day walking out of their offices thinking ... gee, they're "not all that bad."

Vi
 
medicineman

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ViRedd said:
Well, speaking as one who sees a cardiologist and a renal specialist on a regular basis, I sure don't relish the thought of one day walking out of their offices thinking ... gee, they're "not all that bad."

Vi
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Geeze, you have a bad heart then? And you're going blind. I hope you have good insurance. A heart transplant can run into the hundreds of thousands, and as of yet, they cant transplant eyes. Maybe with some more "embryonic stem cell research", they will come up with something to help you. I hope so.
 
ViRedd

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medicineman said:
Geeze, you have a bad heart then? And you're going blind. I hope you have good insurance. A heart transplant can run into the hundreds of thousands, and as of yet, they cant transplant eyes. Maybe with some more "embryonic stem cell research", they will come up with something to help you. I hope so.
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Well thanks for remembering the eye thing. I had cataract surgery in both eyes last year and now see as well as I did in my teens. No glasses or contacts needed.

Heart's fine too ... had both renal arteries clog up by 90% and that caused the start of heart failure. A stint in each renal artery cleared that up just fine. So, no more heart problems, 20/20 vision and I piss like a champ.

So watch out on our next meet-up in Vegas big guy ... I'll run circles around ya. Well, if the arthritis isn't acting up, that is. :bigjoint:

Vi
 
NorthwestBuds

NorthwestBuds

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ViRedd said:
Well thanks for remembering the eye thing. I had cataract surgery in both eyes last year and now see as well as I did in my teens. No glasses or contacts needed.

Heart's fine too ... had both renal arteries clog up by 90% and that caused the start of heart failure. A stint in each renal artery cleared that up just fine. So, no more heart problems, 20/20 vision and I piss like a champ.

So watch out on our next meet-up in Vegas big guy ... I'll run circles around ya. Well, if the arthritis isn't acting up, that is. :bigjoint:

Vi
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I got a $100 on Medman for the win! :bigjoint:
 
TheBrutalTruth

TheBrutalTruth

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medicineman said:
Absolutely wrong. The fact that Dr.s are not taking the Medicare supplements are because the supplements are being cut while the Dr.s are raising their fees. This is also happening in the private sector. Many HMO.s charge up to 100.00-150.00 to see a primary care Dr. A lot of middle class or especially the working class poor can't afford those visits, hence the emergency room visits. Once the total plan is handed over to the Govt., Dr's will have little choice if they want to eat but to accept the governments plan. Will it be perfect, well no, but I'm pretty sure it could be at least as good as the VA, and the VA is not all that bad. Operations at the VA are usually conducted at teaching university hospitals, where a certified surgeon conducts the operation while students observe, sometimes assisting in the procedure. There are so many observers, that the surgeon is or must be on his best behavior
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Wrong, says a [FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]study[/FONT][/FONT] published in the Journal of the American Medical Association.

Journal of the American Medical Association

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Medman

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I think I'll believe Medman, NOT!


 
Stoney McFried

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I have no insurance. My doctor's visit costs me 95 dollars. My pills are about 200-250.
EDIT and I wouldn't go to an emergency room unless I was unconscious and someone dragged me there, it's over 500 dollars for one of those visits.And if I woke up in one, I would refuse treatment and drag myself home.
 
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