Afgan King
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Lmao again if you don't run organics it's not necessary
Molasses, yay or nay?
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youraveragehorticulturist
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Sometimes I mix up
.5 tsp fish hydro
1 tsp kelp
2 tsp molasses
in 5 gallons of water. Just like making EWC tea, but without the EWC. If the recipe is good for microbes in a bucket of water, it must be good for microbes in the soil.
I don't know how much good it does, but it makes me FEEL better. The plants "seem to like it."
.5 tsp fish hydro
1 tsp kelp
2 tsp molasses
in 5 gallons of water. Just like making EWC tea, but without the EWC. If the recipe is good for microbes in a bucket of water, it must be good for microbes in the soil.
I don't know how much good it does, but it makes me FEEL better. The plants "seem to like it."
Olive Drab Green
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Molasses does what Terpinator and Resinator do because it's concentrated in the same nutrients. And if you read that guy's entire thing, it's pretty much telling you not to ONLY feed your plant molasses, which I never said to do. The carbs, sugars, and high potassium will create better trichomes and spike microbe activity if you're organic. If you aren't organic, it will do nothing.
Pay no mind to the "doctor" who has no idea what he's talking about.
Pay no mind to the "doctor" who has no idea what he's talking about.
MistaRasta
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I wish more people understood the variables behind using carb sources in their soil...
Way too much iron, magnesium and calcium in mollasses, which will cause problems..If you have a well balanced soil and a proper understanding of how these minerals work in conjuction with each other and how theyre broken down and made available you wouldnt use it..
That simple.
MistaRasta
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If you DO run organics its unnecessary. Either way its a waste of money. If you have a properly balnced soil along with an understanding of how this all actually works you wouldnt need teas in the first place.
Stopped using mollasses years ago, with all the sugars coming from my mulch there is plenty of carbon for the foodweb to stay active and functioning..
MistaRasta
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You have no room to talk. Go read a few more pdf's..
Olive Drab Green
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Did you really just say 3.8mg (20% DV of Iron) is too much? And the plant doesn't absorb what calcium it doesn't need, and it doesn't have more magnesium than is in CalMag or Dolomite. You're wrong, and it is necessary in organics.
Olive Drab Green
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Here are my trics, Week 8 Day 1. Pretty sure they're going to be stacked by Harvest. You guys can call it whatever you want; I'm telling you, it's molasses. You'll just have to figure it out on your own.
Afgan King
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Only time Id use it is for teas really
Olive Drab Green
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Wouldn't make a difference, between soil microbes breaking it down and breaking it down with microbes in a tea. Teas work great, I'm just saying where molasses is concerned.
Afgan King
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My question is why do mine stack so much if it's from the molasses like u say. I mean not trying to be a dick just don't get how you can correlate trich production with molasses. That pura vida is more stacked than anything I've ever seen and no molasses of any sort
Olive Drab Green
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Because whatever you use is also working. That simple. My argument is molasses works, not that it's better than something else.
Afgan King
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When you do a tea I take my compost put into a stocking and let sit in aerated water adding the molasses gets everything in their going crazy and extremely active I feed the microbials before they go into the tupur.
greasemonkeymann
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the thing is, just WHAT is defined by "working"
if you mean that it supplies the microbes with carbs in order to reproduce?
then yes.
if you think trichome production is increased from molasses I have to disagree with you.
In my experience the primary things involved with large trichomes (in order) are GENETICS! past that to a much much smaller degree, UV light, blue spectrum light.
I've used the bejesus out of molasses (got a big ass tub of it yrs ago, and it goes a LONG way)
I honestly have steered away from it, it can lock out other nutrients.
I would HIGHLY recommend not using as a source of macro nutrients, if as a food source for AACT, then sure
but as a regular nutrient, I wouldn't recommend.
In my experience for trichome production I like the effects of neem meal, and a good metal halide bulb to match with a HPS.
But off an on for yrs I used molasses, and never saw much of a difference from the "regular" grow.
Olive Drab Green
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Try feeding a plant with the best genes absolutely nothing. That's how I contrast working with not working. Not just carbs. Sugars, micronutrients, and like, 500-800mg of potassium.
MistaRasta
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Did you really just compare dv percentages or ra's of what a human should eat to a plant?..
It doesnt absorb Ca it doesnt need huh?
And the extra K just sits there?
Iron's a trace mineral, read it again, TRACE MINERAL.
Knowing you think these two things, i can devise a lot, about what you dont know..
Olive Drab Green
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DV percentage breaks down into a solid mass/weight measurement, genius. I was using the DV to calculate the measurement. It's 3.8mg of iron in a tablespoon.
Potassium is more mobile and degrades faster than calcium. Degradation rate matters because it tells you how fast microbes turn the matter into food for the roots. Read a book.
MistaRasta
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What the fuck does THAT have to do with anything? Its still based off of a Calorie count, GENIUS...
Of course K is more mobile than Ca, being Ca is the only cation that is immobile id say so..
When K and Ca are unbalanced the plant will uptake K in place of Ca.. All cations will get thrown out of whack because P isnt being utilized..
Then starts the never ending cycle of throwing more and more molasses on my soil hoping to cure a problem that doesnt even exist. Kinda sounds like something a hydro store would sell me, oh wait its calmag.
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Olive Drab Green
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Oh, my God, you just proved your stupidity. I'm done talking to you.
For the last time, I used the fucking DV to calculate how much Iron and Calcium was in a tablespoon of molasses. Fuck..
Yodaweed
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Aren't you still on your first year of growing @Olive Drab Green and using miracle grow with the most inefficient Chinese blurple lights?? @MistaRasta is a really good grower , i'd listen to what he says.