Mitt's Crying About Obama's Campaign Tactics??

Canna Sylvan said:

Canndo,

Can you at least agree both sides are playing dirty, making the OP a bit hypocritical to single out Romney and portray Obama the poor innocent victim? You'd think this was Steve Martin's The Jerk remake.

See, I don't like Romney. But with my stance of pro-life and being against PPACA, he's my only choice. Hell, I'd take Rosanne over either of them with a mandatory daily listening of her Star Spangled Banner rendition.

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First off, if you read my posts you know that I don't much agree with people who maintain that there is some sort of parity or symetry in the behavior of the parties. There is not. The right has played "dirty" since Nixon's CREEP and their dirty tricks. You will find little activity of this magnitude in the Dem playbook. Because of this, it is important for Republicans to encourage us all to believe that "both side do it.... so what's the big deal [if we do it]"

That having been said, yes, Dems, especially so far in this election are playing very loose with the truth. They discovered when Kerry was running, that there is little defense against an ongoing campaign of outright lies and so the best action involves staying on top and stirring the pot with their own mistruths. While on the one hand I am happy that the Dems for once in their miserable attempts, are maintaining an upper hand, I am still embarassed that they believe they have to resort to such tactics.

You call these things "dirty", I have watched enough politics to know that dirty gained a new meaning when Republicans got their own wholely owned subsidiary mouthpiece called FOX News. Now don't start with MSNBC or the left biased news because it doesn't compare.

so dirty is a relative thing.

Now you and I can argue abortion for ever but I think we will have trouble convincing each other of our beliefs. PPACA discussions are based upon fact and not personal morality. I suspect that you are against PPACA because you don't really know much about it other than what you have been told by the right.

The fact that you would rather vote for Rosanne tells me that you aren't really taking this seriously - as there are real issues for our Republic and we desperately need someone to run things, Rosanne would be a step up from Palin but not much. The moment I saw Palin on the ticket I realized that Repubs don't take this country or it's leadership seriously.


I coud be wrong - you may be just making that statement for effect.

When did I ever say I was against entitlement programs? I just don't want them myself. If you ever saw any of my posts, I don't care about WIC, food stamp other programs for the poor. What I have a problem with is the unfair means testing which punishes success. Until you get past a certain amount, you get more from working less. Then democrats bitch about republicans attacking the poor when they force them to be that way. Then they spend just as much or more on the military. It's just utter bullshit.

I'm also against government subsidies like for meat. How is it fair it costs more for me to buy the amount of grain to feed animals to get the same output in meat? How come I can't get a grain voucher if I choose not to partake in the government meat program? It's not the government's job to pick and choose meat, eggs and dairy over a just as healthy or healthier vegan diet. The government needs to be fair across the board.

Canna Sylvan said:

When did I ever say I was against entitlement programs? I just don't want them myself. If you ever saw any of my posts, I don't care about WIC, food stamp other programs for the poor. What I have a problem with is the unfair means testing which punishes success. Until you get past a certain amount, you get more from working less. Then democrats bitch about republicans attacking the poor when they force them to be that way. Then they spend just as much or more on the military. It's just utter bullshit.

I'm also against government subsidies like for meat. How is it fair it costs more for me to buy the amount of grain to feed animals to get the same output in meat? How come I can't get a grain voucher if I choose not to partake in the government meat program? It's not the government's job to pick and choose meat, eggs and dairy over a just as healthy or healthier vegan diet. The government needs to be fair across the board.

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So long as the infusion of money is lopsided in favor of corporations and the very rich, you will get something other than fairness across the board. Our patchwork of laws that help some to the exclusion of others, that induce poor diets (you didn't think the food pyramid was designed by nutritionists did you?), and our farm strategies that, when they were enacted helped the family farmer but are now distorted by big AG, now rarely seem reasonable.


Did you see Ryan's little dance at the county fair? It was in some state that is being heavily affected by this drought, he was asked what he would do to help farmers (and of course congress managed to recess before they did anything). Ryan said "I just want to enjoy the fair". As though the farmers and their famiilies and the folk that depend on farmer's spending can't much "enjoy the fair" as their crops turn brown in the fields.

PPACA forces you to buy insurance or get punished. That's bullshit. It should be universal health care or nothing at all. That $700 a year is the penalty, not your premium. Even with the premium, which no one will talk about how much it'll cost, you still pay percentages and copays. It's an insurance company scam yelling don't throw me in the briar patch.

This whole thing is a sideshow. So I'd rather have a professional at the helm like Rosanne. The Obama sitcom just ain 't funny. If I can't have my way, I at least want the laughs.

Canna Sylvan said:

PPACA forces you to buy insurance or get punished. That's bullshit. It should be universal health care or nothing at all. That $700 a year is the penalty, not your premium. Even with the premium, which no one will talk about how much it'll cost, you still pay percentages and copays. It's an insurance company scam yelling don't throw me in the briar patch.

This whole thing is a sideshow. So I'd rather have a professional at the helm like Rosanne. The Obama sitcom just ain 't funny. If I can't have my way, I at least want the laughs.

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So the only point you take issue with is someone being "forced" to buy something.

Start with the mandate in this country that no person be turned away from an E.R.

The moment that person lays down on that gurney we are all forced to pay in higher premiums and in additional taxes. But you don't have a problem with us all being "forced to pay" and in this case we are forced to pay for health care of another.

I can't see much wrong with forcing everyone to pay for something that we will be forced to pay if they are not.

Illegals don't pay taxes. Companies who hire them pay less taxes because they use two sets of accounting books, their actual employees and those they tell the IRS.

Illegals get free medical because they have "no pay." Will PPACA cure this? Will it force corporations to pay their own share, or will this so called 99% only get held accountable?

Canna Sylvan said:

Illegals don't pay taxes. Companies who hire them pay less taxes because they use two sets of accounting books, their actual employees and those they tell the IRS.

Illegals get free medical because they have "no pay." Will PPACA cure this? Will it force corporations to pay their own share, or will this so called 99% only get held accountable?

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Actually, Illegals do pay taxes, most of them anyway, in fact we get a tidy little bonus becuase they pay into social security which never gets returned.

Illegals get "free medical" just as anyone else in the country without much money or insurance do - this is a wise thing actually and one would think you shouldn't begrudge them that.

Someone tell Mitt to STFU.

londonfog said:

Someone tell Mitt to STFU.

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no no, oh no, please don't let him shut up.


I do not watch sports, and my wife doesn't like them. We have a bargain, every 4 years I get to be obsessed for about 3 months with this race, It is the highlight of my 4 year cycle and Romney is far more entertaining than Mccain ever was.


I will be glued to the tv during both conventions and I spend 4 hours a day watching all of the pundits on the right and another two or three reading the pundits on the left.

canndo said:

no no, oh no, please don't let him shut up.


I do not watch sports, and my wife doesn't like them. We have a bargain, every 4 years I get to be obsessed for about 3 months with this race, It is the highlight of my 4 year cycle and Romney is far more entertaining than Mccain ever was.


I will be glued to the tv during both conventions and I spend 4 hours a day watching all of the pundits on the right and another two or three reading the pundits on the left.

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Well tell him to at least talk about his budget plan...and please be detailed about it

How about telling him to release the amount of tax returns he asked others to release during his VP search

londonfog said:

Well tell him to at least talk about his budget plan...and please be detailed about it

How about telling him to release the amount of tax returns he asked others to release during his VP search

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"Obama is so bad that we won't have to do anything but claim things will get better under our "leadership"" was the common refrain - OTP, one term president was the chant. The right actually believed their prognostications, why? Because they buit their own little world. they inhabit their own universe that has Obama as the ultimate evil and any alternative to that will be eminently acceptable to everyone. Watch FOX for a few hours every day, do not read the news and listen to a bit of Hannity or Wilkow. Then after a day or so, read newspapers or news magazines and you will get culture shock - no kidding, it will be as though for those days you were living on jupiter where the sky is orange and everything is... different. It is truely amazing how absolutiely out of touch the right has become.

It is likely that if they continue along this sort of train they will never again win a major election. When presented with recent polls that have Obama with a decent (barely) lead, the FOX pundits claim that "the only poll that is important is the one in November". Listen to how they howl with agony because Obama LIED! Hear all of the outrage at the Obama campaign and more importantly, see how they actually believe that Ryan was a godsend and just what the party needs. Then, of course, check out how many republican strategists are bemoaning Romney's selection.

Obama 2012

clinton 2016

canndo said:

"Obama is so bad that we won't have to do anything but claim things will get better under our "leadership"" was the common refrain - OTP, one term president was the chant. The right actually believed their prognostications, why? Because they buit their own little world. they inhabit their own universe that has Obama as the ultimate evil and any alternative to that will be eminently acceptable to everyone. Watch FOX for a few hours every day, do not read the news and listen to a bit of Hannity or Wilkow. Then after a day or so, read newspapers or news magazines .

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The intellectual in me would not allow this to happen.. It would be like trying to drown myself when I know how to swim

londonfog said:

The intellectual in me would not allow this to happen.. It would be like trying to drown myself when I know how to swim

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I am forced to medicate myself when I do this excercise. My wife, after only a day or so begins to yell at the TV - really, I suspect it may be shortening our lives or at least our marriage. But someone has to do it.

I tried the same thing with MSNBC - but their punditry only lasts 3 hours, after that it is "locked up" or some such nonesense. Shultz is just a wannabe Hannity on the left and Odonnald is a little too, smirky. I caught him leading a guest "So how would you react to Romney's blatant lies?" But even he doesn't commit the sorts of attrocities FOX does. "Imagine what FOX would have done had Ryan been found to revere a confirmed ATHIEST (Rand).... Just imagine". Is far better than Hannity's "If the left encountered this (an Obama lie I suppose), they would be outraged, they would spew on every biased channel.. they would...."

In short, One simply has you come to your own conclusion, the other gives you the conclusion it wants you to have.

I will admit that it takes fortitutde to "swim" in that pool.

TrichomeTrent said:

Im not trying to defend her or bash potatoes but schools serve potatoes AS junk food most of the time. Tater tots and french fries are LOADED with additives including plant cellulose (cheap filler made from wood pulp... and 100% indigestible to humans). Now if they were serving just mashed potatoes or baked potatoes or made stuff themselves out of real potatoes then i would have nothing to say, but they dont Also i have read that potatoes can be really iffy for people with diabetes as they spike your blood sugar because of mass simple starches.

Now im not anti-potato, just so you know , I eat them almost daily buuut i dont eat bad versions of a good thing hehe

PS. Didnt know about the WIC thing, thats actually hilarious she tried to pull that...

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that WIC thing was made up entirely by resident whiny pussy, canna sylvan.

Canna Sylvan said:

Illegals don't pay taxes.

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more made up douchery from resident manic, canna sylvan.

londonfog said:

Someone tell Mitt to STFU.

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that would be mitt's best strategy.

this was supposed to be a cake walk. sit back, be quiet, and make this a referendum on the other guy.

mitt can't handle that. he even goes ahead and picks ryan. now this is no longer a simple referendum on obama, this is ALL ABOUT romney and ryan.

this is now a referendum on the exact people it shouldn't have been.

i don't know how you screw up such a simple task. sit back and shut the fuck up is as easy as it gets.

Canna Sylvan said:

Illegals don't pay taxes. Companies who hire them pay less taxes because they use two sets of accounting books, their actual employees and those they tell the IRS.

Illegals get free medical because they have "no pay." Will PPACA cure this? Will it force corporations to pay their own share, or will this so called 99% only get held accountable?

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According to Social Security Administration data, undocumented workers pay between $6 billion and $7 billion into the Social Security trust fund each year. That comes on top of Medicare and unemployment insurance taxes the illegal workers pay on the more than $72 billion in wages employers reported paying to individuals without Social Security numbers in 2009—the latest data available from the Social Security Administration.

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BA142 said:

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To say nothing of the amount paid to those with illegal or forged or stolen social security numbers. The right has this mistaken belief that illegals pay no taxes - I wonder if they believe this because they pay their day workers under the table?