lofly247
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I have that but not sure if the strain. Would love an explanation if anyone has one.When ever i smoke a strong sativa it just sends me straight to the bathroom! Take a massive shit!
Maybe a dumb newbie question, but here goes....strains from seeds
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Flagg420
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In a nutshell... genetics, breeding, dominant vs. submissive traits, all that crap.... all part of seed breeding. Not every seed of any given strain will grow the same plant with the same traits...Good site, and I was able to pick around andfigure out a few indica strains that might work. Thanks!
I'm sorry, but I have no idea what you were trying to tell me in the third paragraph.
For instance, the popular "Girl scout cookies" strain... the only good one is the 'thin mint pheno' not all the phenotypes of that strain have that tasty flavor...
All the jargon aside... always get more than one seed of any strain you really want. You may have to grow 2-3 to get the one plant that knocks your socks off. (and sometimes plants die, seeds dont germ, lights or people fall onto plants, WHO KNOWS...)
This.... is exactly why I don't do any of the speeder drugs..... Coke, the high schooler party drug..... i remember the first time I helped a friend of a friend move homes... who was a meth head... what a 3 day long day that was....When ever i smoke a strong sativa it just sends me straight to the bathroom! Take a massive shit!
But always 'be right back, gonna have a shit'
freddfish
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OK, that I understand. Thanks, and that sounds like good advice.
Observe & Report
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It has as much more, if not entirely, to do with "set" and "setting" as it does with what strain it is or how it was grown. Your own homegrown or that special nug your friend has been saving for this special occasion will always be more enjoyable than something without a special provenance and consumed under regular circumstances. Just like people prefer wine they are told is a 99 point winning Grand Cru over wine they saw poured out of a box even if it is the exact same wine. In controlled tests, winos will describe a white wine as having white wine flavors (bread, yeast, rocks, lemons) but the same wine dyed red suddenly tastes like red wine (cherries, raspberries, leather, etc...)
For the same reasons, if I hand you a joint and tell you it's a couch-locking indica you'll probably feel more mellow than if I told you the same joint was a no-ceiling sativa.
Of course, the quantity of psychoactives certainly varies from plant to plant and genotype to genotype and that is supported by evidence. However, the indica-stoned / sativa-high thing is probably BS and that is the opinion of many experts. Here is one: http://www.laweekly.com/news/marijuana-strains-like-og-kush-are-meaningless-expert-says-4173909 Feel free to point to any controlled tests that say otherwise. There probably aren't any, so you should throw a party and do your own double blind test. You will be surprised at how major differences in smell, flavor, and effect just suddenly disappear when you have no information to go on other than your senses. I taste wine under double blind conditions all the time. When you gather your friends together and make it a party it's fun and you're doing Science!
For the same reasons, if I hand you a joint and tell you it's a couch-locking indica you'll probably feel more mellow than if I told you the same joint was a no-ceiling sativa.
Of course, the quantity of psychoactives certainly varies from plant to plant and genotype to genotype and that is supported by evidence. However, the indica-stoned / sativa-high thing is probably BS and that is the opinion of many experts. Here is one: http://www.laweekly.com/news/marijuana-strains-like-og-kush-are-meaningless-expert-says-4173909 Feel free to point to any controlled tests that say otherwise. There probably aren't any, so you should throw a party and do your own double blind test. You will be surprised at how major differences in smell, flavor, and effect just suddenly disappear when you have no information to go on other than your senses. I taste wine under double blind conditions all the time. When you gather your friends together and make it a party it's fun and you're doing Science!
Dr.Pecker
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sativa is a antispasmodic it relaxes nerves in your intestines. Rhubarb, Cannabis sativa, and Elecampane is suppose to be a very effective laxative. It gives no harmful effect to internal organs but activates their functions and promotes digestion by dissolving bile. That could be a mess if you got a bunch of people high and then gave them a slice of rhubarb pie. everyone would have to shit at the same time.When ever i smoke a strong sativa it just sends me straight to the bathroom! Take a massive shit!
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Notyourpuppet
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More informative info from Dr. Pecker....love it...keep it up... I'm listening. Oh, and I like Dutch Treat and Secret Recipe for easy growers, when other strains self pollinate, stunt and grow little or no trichs., these turned out awesome, the Secret for sleep and Dutch for wake n bake for me. I would post pics but I suck at computers and I'm on dial-up!sativa is a antispasmodic it relaxes nerves in your intestines. Rhubarb, Cannabis sativa, and Elecampane is suppose to be a very effective laxative. It gives no harmful effect to internal organs but activates their functions and promotes digestion by dissolving bile. That could be a mess if you got a bunch of people high and then gave them a slice of rhubarb pie. everyone would have to shit at the same time.
freddfish
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I hear what you are saying, and have seen this play out in life, regardless of what was being used or consumed.
Having said that though...I have also just took a hit or two from a joint that was being passed that no one hyped or said much about at all, and some of them treated me right and some didn't. Had some dispensary weed from a CO store that was nice and mellow, but I didn't think to find out what type. Earlier in the thread, I bitched some about social anxiety and such that was brought on by some types, and nice mellow euphoria from others. Could be just me, or the state o mind I was in that day....but the one CO strain treated me right on several occasions during a long music fesst.
I dunno. I don't know much about this, I will freely own......but it is cool to get all this good input.
freddfish
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With all due respect, Doc...this is not an effect I am looking for in the strain I will eventually pick.sativa is a antispasmodic it relaxes nerves in your intestines. Rhubarb, Cannabis sativa, and Elecampane is suppose to be a very effective laxative. It gives no harmful effect to internal organs but activates their functions and promotes digestion by dissolving bile. That could be a mess if you got a bunch of people high and then gave them a slice of rhubarb pie. everyone would have to shit at the same time.
hellmutt bones
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Well u would probably like it if you where constipated. So theres a lilbit for everyone!With all due respect, Doc...this is not an effect I am looking for in the strain I will eventually pick.
Flagg420
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welcome to my world, all of of TGA Subcools seeds are reg's, or I'd be rocking me some Agent Orange and Jack The Ripper....Damn. Found a strain I like on leafly, (White OG) everything correct about the effect and makeup etc..........except it is regular seeds, not feminized.
Oh well, next house, ill have a seclusion room for males/mating n I will spend a year or 2 perfecting an Agent Jack OrangeRipper.... and it will be amazing....
freddfish
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I've been poring over leafly, and I like the way they have a good breakdown of the pos/neg effects of a strain. I will just have to keep going until I find a nice indica strain where they rate the "paranoid" factor (a little too strong a description of what sometimes gets going in my head, but...) and find it in a feminized strain. I don't want to risk using reg seeds in a first grow. Even with the help I find on here, it'll just be one more thing to worry about fucking up.
I'm going to try to keep it simple if possible.
Flagg420
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for sure for sure... If I were suggesting a strain for a first timer, id say G13 Labs Blue OG.... smaller yield cuz it stays pretty short, and very cola dominant, its proven itself to be difficult to kill... survived pests and environmental stresses and produced perfectly good smoke anyhow...
doesnt help you get the 'right' strain for your needs, but it will get your feet wet for the growing
doesnt help you get the 'right' strain for your needs, but it will get your feet wet for the growing
freddfish
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Flagg, this actually looks like what I was searching for. Indica dominant, forgiving, leafly gives it all the points I was looking for, easy to grow, and I found a feminized variety from Original Sensible Seed Co http://original-ssc.com/blue-og-seeds-g13-labs.html
This may be the strain I was looking for!
Heygurlll
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haven't read the whole thread, but i am a little confused. What are you "risking" with reg seeds? Plants with little to no chance of hermie in a grow with proper environment and lights, that can handle some stress (like from a first grow)? As long as you are checking at least once every 2-4 days during preflower (growers love to baby the girls) you wont get any pollination, because its as easy as chopping the males. just start 12 seeds in solo cups and have 1-2 gallon pots at the ready. chop the males and expect 3-4 females minimum but be prepared for 6-8. If you are lucky 10-12. I've read you can use male soil to encourage (geno) males, to express female flowers (pheno) but since they have already hermied, any stress can make them show male again.
Anyways reg seeds are less likely to hermie, are cheaper, and are the next step up from bagseed for a learning curve.
Disregard IF you personally know someone who has flowered(and stressed) that strain from same seed co, or doing dwc/hydro/hempy/stealth cabinet/guerilla/willing to check every 3 days of flower for hermies and rip nanners off because you need your medicine. To a new grower, in all but that last one I'd still recommend a well rooted non-feminized clone, better yet from a mother who's had clones budded and been found to be non hermie-ing/very tolerant to stress. If you have light, humidity,temp, nutes, microbes, schedules, techniques dialed in then buy feminized for sure
If im wrong, sorry, but did you really google the first question. Maybe you just phrased it wrong, but anyone who's smoked more than two strains of weed could've told you that. Do you have any stoner/hippie/ex-hippie friends? you should ask them this kind of stuff.
whitebb2727
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Try THC bomb or any of the bombs.
freddfish
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OK. Don't worry if I confused you, I am pretty confused here too. Natch...I am planning for my first grow.
I have no friends to talk with on this. None of my friends grow, they just buy and smoke. I don't even know what "hermie" means, or geno, or pheno, or preflower, or nanners, or dwc/hydro/hempy/stealth cabinet/guerilla/, or stressing a plant. I have never grown weed before. I have nobody to get clones from, no stoner/hippie/ex-hippie friends to talk to............and I have no idea how to tell the sex of different plants. None.
Clearly, you know way more about this than I do. Which is great, for me. Talking with folks that are more knowledgeable that me is how I learn stuff.
Look at it this way: the first time I tried to brew beer, I used 2 cans of hopped malt extract and a small bag of finishing hops, which is about as simple a brew as you can imagine. The end product was not satisfactory, but it worked in a minimal sort of way. It was drinkable, and I learned. 5 batches later, though, my beer was much better, since I was getting my technique down, and after 10 batches, I was doing some more advanced stuff, and was getting compliments. After 30 batches, I was brewing full-mash, with protein rests, dry hopping, step-infusion, line-culturing yeast strains that I liked, lagering, etc. I'd stand up some of my beer with established brewers for the Pepsi Challenge, and friends came over regularly to drink my stuff. My point is, you build up to proficiency.
I plan to invest in a good quality starter setup and grow. I want to use seeds for my first grow that will all come in female. I know, to an experienced grower, sexing plants is a walk in the park. ANYTHING is easy once you know how to do it. For me though, it will be one less thing for me to fuck up my first time out, and I tend to get discouraged when I try to do something and it doesn't work. I just want to follow the KISS principle: Keep It Simple, Stupid! Later on, after I get a few sucessful grows under my belt, I may try scrogging, cloning, sexing plants, and some of the other techniques I have read about here. But not on my first grow
Make sense?
freddfish
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An earlier poster (Mr Moustache) got me thinking along the lines of growing a mostly indica strain, to avoid adverse side effects of the smoke. THC Bomb looks like a hybrid.
I like the idea of White OG (85% indica), but I am having trouble locating it feminized.
A few minutes later:
This might actually fit the bill-
Feminized Master Kush
http://sensiseeds.com/en/feminized-seeds/whitelabel/master-kush
Or Fem Northern Lights
http://sensiseeds.com/en/feminized-seeds/whitelabel/northern-lights-feminised
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Heygurlll
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Makes enough sense.
Great site for help/learning btw. Just sit down and read every chance you get.
I recommend plenty of topping or loose tie downs.
As for sexing, it truly is a walk in the park once you've seen male vs female parts.
A female preflower looks like any old calyx.
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