Jaybodankly
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The degradation that some people claim that a clone gets over time maybe a plant virus instead.
Maximising yield in a commercial grow
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Kassiopeija
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a plant can adjust its leaves towards the light, but its stem will always grow against gravity because in nature to do so will get you most height benefitting from increasing survivability. Gravitropism.
Renfro
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Or just a lazy grower
Dude... what are you going on about?
Enterprise? In your loft? Haha Haha
If you use cuttings you can ensure quality genotype. Otherwise your growing mediocre crap
Nah mate. They have immediately started growing entirely upwards into the plants above. I will start a proper journal when I get my next batch in with a proper net.
I have come to the conclusion I need individual plant cages as a single net will limit my access.
I’m not sure how I will attach a diy plant cage to those vertical pipes yet. If anyone has any ideas I’m all ears.
I’m considering small pvc pipe with a frame/net attached to each pipe.. just not sure how they will mount to the vertical pipes yet
Humanrob
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Since they started growing into each other, what did you end out doing... scrap the grow and start over? pull every other row and do a half run?
I look forward to seeing the next iteration. I'm always fascinated by interesting solutions to odd space challenges. I've actually read through all 9 pages of this, but I don't recall, does either the rack of plants or rack of lights currently move/roll? Throughout this grow, will your only direct access to the plants be walking between the lights and the pots?
They still get light and will still yield me 100+ oz so I’ve left them to their own for now.
There is very limited access to the plants once they are growing. The reason I’ve decided I need individual plant supports is because I can access the plants from behind the plant wall. Reaching between the individual vertical pipes. This will allow me to foliar feed the under side of leaves and move stems into the supports. If I had a double row of net I wouldn’t get my hand through the first net to feed stems into the second net
I can squeeze between lights and plants in an emergency but unlikely to ever need to.
I did build my light fixture on caster wheels but once it was built the whole thing weighs over 450kilos moving it ain’t gonna happen.
It is extremely tight for movement but I manage. It’s the price to pay for higher productivity
Humanrob
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Thanks for the reply. I guess we're all fighting these battles, just on different scales and with different variables and restrictions. Good luck to you, and I look forward to seeing how it goes down the road --
Xs121
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This is the best method ever... 100% success, no brainer, no maintenance, no hassle system... cut and forget system. I used perlite though as my medium (it doesnt hold lots of moisture).
Clear container and clear lid
an object to hold the tray/pots above water
@Renfro hey bud if I plan on growing single colas to test my pheno and for future clones...
Obviously I’m vegging these seeds probably for 4 weeks before signs appear but how often should I remove branches and leaves if I’m going for single colas? Same for the clones I take if I veg the clones for 20 days to get a good amount of roots and they start growing do you continue to remove all side branches as they appear or let them grow and remove all but last node before flip?
Seedlings are getting a bit crowded already here
Obviously I’m vegging these seeds probably for 4 weeks before signs appear but how often should I remove branches and leaves if I’m going for single colas? Same for the clones I take if I veg the clones for 20 days to get a good amount of roots and they start growing do you continue to remove all side branches as they appear or let them grow and remove all but last node before flip?
Seedlings are getting a bit crowded already here
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Renfro
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They may just get too tall.
You need to get cuttings too. Obviously taking them from the tops means you won't get the single cola. So you need to veg them long enough to get the clones from the bottom and some phenos may hold up the works because they don't wanna branch. So they are gonna get too big and bushy IMO to run your single cola test properly. Plus root development won't be an accurate comparison to a future from clone run.
Monster cropping the clones isn't recommended because some strains just won't come back from it and you are trying to grow single colas too lol.
Ideally these from seed plants would be the ones kept as mothers, tops would be cut as clones and those would be flowered.
As far as pruning the bottoms when running a no veg SoG from clone I did that at 20 days after flip.
Unfortunately no room to keep 90 mothers..
My plan was to veg these long enough to get the first 2 nodes as clones prune the second clone of each constantly to keep it as small as possible.
Flower out these seeds after removing all side branches? Or do this after flip like you. I would have thought side branches would be kriss crossing all over the place after 20 days of flip though but I guess that’s in the pheno.
Flower out the unpruned clones as single colas pick the best and then keep the corresponding mother.
Any reason why too tall is a problem?
If I had single colas I could easily have a plant 3ft tall in my vertical system.
A 90cm tall plant if grown at a 45 degree angle in some sort of trellis will only grow around 45 cm towards the light.
Jesus that’s a lot of stretch
Yeah I looked into tissue culture a few years back. Maybe things have moved on but back then I wrote it off as too complicated at first glance.
I’m gonna have to just rely on root pruning and constantly cutting back the clones with minimal light whilst I flower out another clone
Just had another idea.
I’ll take two clones flower out one of the clones and when the other clone gets too big I’ll top it and keep cloning the top
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Madriffer
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I do clone straight to 12/12 average 3/4 oz per plant (strain dependent). I do 4 plants per ft sq. So my yield is similar to better, with consistent quality, looks and yield. Also faster flip times. From cut to flower in under 3 weeks.
HashBucket
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I just joined this board.
I am an experienced grower.
Been growing for about 40 years now, inside and out.
Clone farmer for five years in N. Cali.
Now, growing flower.
Have two, 12 light rooms with 12 plants under each 1000 wt DE Gavita in one room.
The other room has 10 DE Gavita's and two Gavita pro 1700e LED's. I am testing the LED's to see if I can increase yield, or decrease cost at no decrease of yield. If it works out the way I think it will, I will switch to all LED at the next turn.
Due to commitments to my broker, and a standing order I have to stick to GG4. I am able to, at this point, get a little over 2 lbs per light.
I have found that it is much easier to test if you only make ONE change at a time. For example: if I was to put up LED's, and change to a different feed ... and the weight went up ... which one did it? The light, or the feed?
I haven't read this thread yet, but I sure will. I am always interested in learning something new, and I know that I am not smart enough to know it all.
Cheers,
The Bucket
I am an experienced grower.
Been growing for about 40 years now, inside and out.
Clone farmer for five years in N. Cali.
Now, growing flower.
Have two, 12 light rooms with 12 plants under each 1000 wt DE Gavita in one room.
The other room has 10 DE Gavita's and two Gavita pro 1700e LED's. I am testing the LED's to see if I can increase yield, or decrease cost at no decrease of yield. If it works out the way I think it will, I will switch to all LED at the next turn.
Due to commitments to my broker, and a standing order I have to stick to GG4. I am able to, at this point, get a little over 2 lbs per light.
I have found that it is much easier to test if you only make ONE change at a time. For example: if I was to put up LED's, and change to a different feed ... and the weight went up ... which one did it? The light, or the feed?
I haven't read this thread yet, but I sure will. I am always interested in learning something new, and I know that I am not smart enough to know it all.
Cheers,
The Bucket