Marijuana Bonsai

Frank Zappa

Frank Zappa

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Greetings fellow smokers and cultivators

I'll quickly explain my situation. As it is something i havent read much about, i think it will be an interesting thread, and everyone's opinion is wellcome, as long as it is fundamented ;-)

I smoke daily one joint, and taking one extra joint each week, its all i smoke, so as you can presume, i dont need much. I did some research, read some books, including The Marijuana Grower's Bibble and many others about cannabis, and i found out the resolution to my problem:

A MARIJUANA BONSAI

Here is a pic of one i liked very much, and the way i intend mine to be:

http://www.artofbonsai.org/galleries/images/halloween_2007/halloween_2007_ulf_Cannabis_sativa.jpg

I have read much also about the art of making a Bonsai, so i know how to make one

Here is what i have now:

I have five new seedlings each one week old in the same vase, growing outdoors.

My questions are:

1. What are the probabilities of me having one female plant in those 5 seedlings? Do i need to plant more seeds?

2. As i only need one small plant, and as i intend to grow it more naturaly possible so, no nutrients or fertilizers, is it best to grow it outdoors or indoors?

3. What is the basic gear i need to buy, you know, in terms of light, etc, for my plant to vegetate and flower? Please, read carefully that i intend to grow it the more naturaly possible, so, no fancy 300$ light kits or wathever.

4. Did i commit any mistake so far? I germinated the seeds, putted the ones in the container (8 8 8) all with room and space, and i'm growing the seedlings outside, in my garden. This is what i have done.

So far, i only need answers to these questions.

If anyone is interested in this art of marijuana growing, i can post my pics, and with all your help, i can writte a new thread all about naturally grown marijuana bonsai for the interested eyes.

Farewell fellow smokers and cultivators, and happy growing and smoking ;-)
 
TheDankness

TheDankness

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Frank Zappa said:
I have five new seedlings each one week old in the same vase, growing outdoors...

...2. As i only need one small plant, and as i intend to grow it more naturaly possible so, no nutrients or fertilizers, is it best to grow it outdoors or indoors?
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First of all, NEVER grow more than one plant in the same container, they will be almost impossible to separate, and you will need to separate them if you want to grow them to their full potential.

Next, its not a question of whether or not to use nutrients, you MUST use nutrients for your plant to survive. That's like a human not eating. If you want it to be natural, buy natural and organic nutrients, don't starve your plant. Outdoors plants receive nutrients from rainwater and soil, indoors you have to supplement them or they will die.

BTW nutrients are completely natural, they existed long before humans were chemically manufacturing them.
 
edux10

edux10

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TheDankness said:
First of all, NEVER grow more than one plant in the same container, they will be almost impossible to separate, and you will need to separate them if you want to grow them to their full potential.

Next, its not a question of whether or not to use nutrients, you MUST use nutrients for your plant to survive. That's like a human not eating. If you want it to be natural, buy natural and organic nutrients, don't starve your plant. Outdoors plants receive nutrients from rainwater and soil, indoors you have to supplement them or they will die.

BTW nutrients are completely natural, they existed long before humans were chemically manufacturing them.
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I have heard some professional growers saying that in some occasions 2 plants in a container is fine. look at the Tiny Bomb article in Dank by subcool. You just got to know your plants really well and know what you are doing.

Yes, you have to give plants nutes for them to survive but when you use soil many newbes don`t understant that there are nutes in the soil already but they do run out. They use it and it works with just water, then it just stops working for some reason, what they don`t realize is that the nutes in the soil have ran out.
 
TheDankness

TheDankness

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edux10 said:
I have heard some professional growers saying that in some occasions 2 plants in a container is fine. look at the Tiny Bomb article in Dank by subcool. You just got to know your plants really well and know what you are doing.

Yes, you have to give plants nutes for them to survive but when you use soil many newbes don`t understant that there are nutes in the soil already but they do run out. They use it and it works with just water, then it just stops working for some reason, what they don`t realize is that the nutes in the soil have ran out.
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I guess it wouldn't matter having two *females* in the same container. But what does he do when he finds out one is male. Sure you can cut it off, but its roots are there to stay, and that's room that could have gone to the females roots. Plus, what is the point of putting two plants in the same container, you'll just get two small plants as opposed to one big one...
 
Mammath

Mammath

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Frank Zappa said:
Greetings fellow smokers and cultivators

I'll quickly explain my situation. As it is something i havent read much about, i think it will be an interesting thread, and everyone's opinion is wellcome, as long as it is fundamented ;-)

I smoke daily one joint, and taking one extra joint each week, its all i smoke, so as you can presume, i dont need much. I did some research, read some books, including The Marijuana Grower's Bibble and many others about cannabis, and i found out the resolution to my problem:

A MARIJUANA BONSAI

Here is a pic of one i liked very much, and the way i intend mine to be:

http://www.artofbonsai.org/galleries/images/halloween_2007/halloween_2007_ulf_Cannabis_sativa.jpg

I have read much also about the art of making a Bonsai, so i know how to make one

Here is what i have now:

I have five new seedlings each one week old in the same vase, growing outdoors.

My questions are:

1. What are the probabilities of me having one female plant in those 5 seedlings? Do i need to plant more seeds?

2. As i only need one small plant, and as i intend to grow it more naturaly possible so, no nutrients or fertilizers, is it best to grow it outdoors or indoors?

3. What is the basic gear i need to buy, you know, in terms of light, etc, for my plant to vegetate and flower? Please, read carefully that i intend to grow it the more naturaly possible, so, no fancy 300$ light kits or wathever.

4. Did i commit any mistake so far? I germinated the seeds, putted the ones in the container (8 8 8) all with room and space, and i'm growing the seedlings outside, in my garden. This is what i have done.

So far, i only need answers to these questions.

If anyone is interested in this art of marijuana growing, i can post my pics, and with all your help, i can writte a new thread all about naturally grown marijuana bonsai for the interested eyes.

Farewell fellow smokers and cultivators, and happy growing and smoking ;-)
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Even though your only smoking one joint a day a plant that size is going to yield about enough smoke to last you a few weeks. If you want to keep yourself supplied you will probably need to grow about 3 or 4 of those little ones every 3 months.

The probability of getting a female plant with 2 seeds in 50%, 5 seeds probably 80-90%.

You can't grow without fertiliser. If your aiming to have so much control over your grow you will need control over your environment therefore growing indoors is what you need to do.

If you don't want to spend money you won't be able to grow indoors.

The only way to grow outdoors and get what you think you need is to plant late in the season so your plants stay small.

I think you need to re-think a lot of things. Yeah, and make sure your plants are in separate pots.
 
Frank Zappa

Frank Zappa

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Mammath said:
Even though your only smoking one joint a day a plant that size is going to yield about enough smoke to last you a few weeks. If you want to keep yourself supplied you will probably need to grow about 3 or 4 of those little ones every 3 months.

The probability of getting a female plant with 2 seeds in 50%, 5 seeds probably 80-90%.

You can't grow without fertiliser. If your aiming to have so much control over your grow you will need control over your environment therefore growing indoors is what you need to do.

If you don't want to spend money you won't be able to grow indoors.

The only way to grow outdoors and get what you think you need is to plant late in the season so your plants stay small.

I think you need to re-think a lot of things. Yeah, and make sure your plants are in separate pots.
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First of all, thanks to everyone who shared their wisdom. As i intent to learn and grow with my mistakes, here ks what i am going to do first thing in the morning, tomorrow:

1. Buy ten small containers, one for each plant. I only have 5 seedlings, but i have 5 more waiting to be planted. This will cover what you said about the amount i smoke

2. Carefully plant one seedling in each container, with soil with pH of 7

3. Buy nutrients. I need help here. I'm totaly new to this concept of nourishing plants with nutrients.

Here are the questions that rose up:

1. Wich nutrients to buy? I dont even know what they look like, brands, or whathever. I need all the help here.

2. Will 10 seedlings germinate enough females? How many females may i expect with 10 seedlings?

Keep up the wisdom coming and your joints lighten up, for we are in to sume super cool kind raising plants ;-)

Thanks again fellas ;-)
 
SenorSanteria

SenorSanteria

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Expect a 50/50 male female ratio. That part is up to nature. You could get 10 females. You could get 10 males. (that would suck, but ive seen it happen). Generally though, the ratio is near 50/50.

For nutes, youll need to know whan NPK ratios are. This is the formula on the nute bag that tells you whats in it. Its three numbers, like 20-20-20. The first number is Nitrogen, which you want to give the plant lots of during veg (18+ hrs of light). During this time, the plant should recieve some P and K (phosphorus and potassium, respectively), but not as much as nitrogen. A good veg nute would be, for example, 10-5-5.

Each number represents a percentage. That means, the numbers themselves are only as important as the other numbers theyre being compared to. A 20-20-20 mix is exactly the same as a 5-5-5 mix or a 10-10-10 mix.

For flowering, the plant needs much more P and K, but mainly P. The plant needs much less nitrogen when flowering. Some will tell you to give it NONE, but I think some is still good to have. A good flowering nute would be like 5-15-10, or similar. This type of ratio has less nitrogen (5%), a lot of phosphorus (15%), and a good amount of potassium (10%). The nutes should be applied as the directions on them indicate for indoor plants, but starting slowly. Start at 1/4 strength and work your way up to a full strength feeding.

Let me know if that makes sense. That was "nutes in a nutshell"
 
Frank Zappa

Frank Zappa

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SenorSanteria said:
Expect a 50/50 male female ratio. That part is up to nature. You could get 10 females. You could get 10 males. (that would suck, but ive seen it happen). Generally though, the ratio is near 50/50.

For nutes, youll need to know whan NPK ratios are. This is the formula on the nute bag that tells you whats in it. Its three numbers, like 20-20-20. The first number is Nitrogen, which you want to give the plant lots of during veg (18+ hrs of light). During this time, the plant should recieve some P and K (phosphorus and potassium, respectively), but not as much as nitrogen. A good veg nute would be, for example, 10-5-5.

Each number represents a percentage. That means, the numbers themselves are only as important as the other numbers theyre being compared to. A 20-20-20 mix is exactly the same as a 5-5-5 mix or a 10-10-10 mix.

For flowering, the plant needs much more P and K, but mainly P. The plant needs much less nitrogen when flowering. Some will tell you to give it NONE, but I think some is still good to have. A good flowering nute would be like 5-15-10, or similar. This type of ratio has less nitrogen (5%), a lot of phosphorus (15%), and a good amount of potassium (10%). The nutes should be applied as the directions on them indicate for indoor plants, but starting slowly. Start at 1/4 strength and work your way up to a full strength feeding.

Let me know if that makes sense. That was "nutes in a nutshell"
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Dude, thank you millions of times. I tink i got it straight. I'll and to my list:

1. Buy nutrients. On bottle strong in nitrogen other strong in phosphatos.

Is this right?

Questions that rose up:

1. Since my plants are one week old, how old will they be when they start vegetating, and how old will they be when they start flowering?

2. What gear will i need to activate vegetating and flowering? Will nature fill this up or is it necessary to buy light gear?

Well, again, thanks for all your wisdom :weed: let the marijuana grow free!!!!
 
TheDankness

TheDankness

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Frank Zappa said:
Dude, thank you millions of times. I tink i got it straight. I'll and to my list:

1. Buy nutrients. On bottle strong in nitrogen other strong in phosphatos.

Is this right?

Questions that rose up:

1. Since my plants are one week old, how old will they be when they start vegetating, and how old will they be when they start flowering?

2. What gear will i need to activate vegetating and flowering? Will nature fill this up or is it necessary to buy light gear?

Well, again, thanks for all your wisdom :weed: let the marijuana grow free!!!!
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First, since you want to be natural, I recommend buying organic fertilizers. The one I use is PureBlend Pro, they make a full spectrum veg fertilizer and bloom fertilizer. Maryjane is an annual, and it blooms outdoors when the photoperiod(hours of light) shortens at the end of the growing season. So if you want to grow them outdoors, they will flower when the amount of daylight hours diminish and then you won't need "light gear" or timers. You can induce flowering at any stage of the plants development indoors, simply by giving it 12 hours of darkness, and 12 hours of light, this will force it into thinking the growing season is ending and it will flower. The plant is born in a vegetative state. As long as you give the plant 18 hours of light or more it will remain in a vegatative state, growing larger and larger. The plant will double to triple in size from the point you induce flower up until harvest. Thats just the basics.

P.S. Yes if you want to grow indoors you need some powerful light gear hahaha. Remember, the idea is to simulate a sun hahaha.
 
Frank Zappa

Frank Zappa

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TheDankness said:
First, since you want to be natural, I recommend buying organic fertilizers. The one I use is PureBlend Pro, they make a full spectrum veg fertilizer and bloom fertilizer. Maryjane is an annual, and it blooms outdoors when the photoperiod(hours of light) shortens at the end of the growing season. So if you want to grow them outdoors, they will flower when the amount of daylight hours diminish and then you won't need "light gear" or timers. You can induce flowering at any stage of the plants development indoors, simply by giving it 12 hours of darkness, and 12 hours of light, this will force it into thinking the growing season is ending and it will flower. The plant is born in a vegetative state. As long as you give the plant 18 hours of light or more it will remain in a vegatative state, growing larger and larger. The plant will double to triple in size from the point you induce flower up until harvest. Thats just the basics.

P.S. Yes if you want to grow indoors you need some powerful light gear hahaha. Remember, the idea is to simulate a sun hahaha.
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Well, so i figured out this:

Only in indoor growing i can simulate the flowering, so i decided i'll grow mine indoors.

Questions that rose up:

1. What light gear will i need? Remember we are talking about small and few plants, five, in the best picture.

By the way, something i must say:

I looked at my seedlings today and i saw some bugs, the size of this dot --->. , that looked like tiny tiny little spiders. they have no colour. i read some stuff and i think its spider mites.

Question that rose up:

1. Can these little things harm my plants?

Again, thanks to everyone, and FREE THE WEED :bigjoint:
 
MrFishy

MrFishy

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Yes, mites'll ruin a grow left unchecked, and can suck the juices out of a little plantling pretty quick. Any product containing pyrethrums may help, or you can use Neems Oil. You cannot just leave them be.
A temporary solution may be washing them off in the sink, assuming the plants are small. They tend to congregate on the undersides of the leaves, especially where the leave meets the stem.

There are lots of fixes, but you gotta get on it quickly with seedlings.
 
MrFishy

MrFishy

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Also, maybe look into some of these RIU member tobacco mixtures.
Some claim to be 100%.
Mites hate moisture and cool temps.
 
Frank Zappa

Frank Zappa

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MrFishy said:
Also, maybe look into some of these RIU member tobacco mixtures.
Some claim to be 100%.
Mites hate moisture and cool temps.
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I heard the sun kills them. if i leave my plants in the sun, will the mites die?

Please help me with the light gear :-(
 
TheDankness

TheDankness

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Frank Zappa said:
I heard the sun kills them. if i leave my plants in the sun, will the mites die?

Please help me with the light gear :-(
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For five bonsai sized plants I guess a 250 watt hps would work. Since you're kind of new at this I would get one of those mini systems that include a bulb, reflector and they have an internal ballast, it'll run a little over $100. Really simple all ready to go in one compact reflector housing. You'll need that and a timer to control photoperiod, they're cheap though. Then you just plug the light cord into the timer, the timer into the wall, and you're set. Have you thought about soil? Its also best to go organic there too, a good starter mix is a 50/50 blend of promix(organic potting soil) and perlite.

If you can't afford the hps I would go with a butt ton of warm white and daylight 27 watt cfl's hung all around your plants. That will be far more difficult to do however...

Sorry but I can't help with the mites, its never happened to me personally. I heard those suckers really can ruin a grow though...
 
Frank Zappa

Frank Zappa

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TheDankness said:
Here's a link to a 400 watt hps, turns out its only about 10 bucks more than the 250 and it will give you denser buds. Sorry but it looks like the price tag is closer to $175 for the mini enclosed units...

http://www.thegrowlight.com/sun-system-2-400w-hps-high-pressure-enclosed-ballast-mini-system.html

Here's a cheapo remote ballast 250 watt for $120:

http://www.htgsupply.com/viewproduct.asp?productID=47994
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So i figured it out, if you grow cheap, cheap is what you get.

Everything i putted in my list i did. I bought the nutrients, the containers, and its all set up. I checked the plants and every single one is growing a new leaf, so, good improvementes ;-)

I got it straight, the only question i have is:

1. What HPS means?Everyone advised me to buy CFL. What is the difference?

Again, thanks to you all, and FREE THE WEED :bigjoint:

PS: there is this store, very close to my house, and it sells light kits. If i could find them here it would be such an help. The links of the lights and reflector is:

Light: http://www.theartofjoint.com/site/?ctipo=&elprod=54

Reflector: http://www.theartofjoint.com/site/?ctipo=&elprod=413

Is it worth buying? Is it a good deal?

Any questions with the translation, ask me. I'll be online, so i'll answer right away
 
Fuzzotany

Fuzzotany

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You're looking at just the bulb, it CAN NOT go in a regular receptacle, you'll need what's called a BALLAST, which is another word for transformer which will make sure your light is getting the right amount of electricity. This applies to HPS High Pressure Sodium and Metal Halide lights. You can make your own CFL fixture very easily, and with a little electrical knowledge you can make some pretty badass ones. Rule of thumb is my book is 8,000 lumens per sq ft or about 25,000 lumens per sq meter. Make plans, draw them, revise them, make your calculations... then build. That pic you posted, way photoshopped - but you can grow a decent plant in a small pot.
 
Frank Zappa

Frank Zappa

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Fuzzotany said:
You're looking at just the bulb, it CAN NOT go in a regular receptacle, you'll need what's called a BALLAST, which is another word for transformer which will make sure your light is getting the right amount of electricity. This applies to HPS High Pressure Sodium and Metal Halide lights. You can make your own CFL fixture very easily, and with a little electrical knowledge you can make some pretty badass ones. Rule of thumb is my book is 8,000 lumens per sq ft or about 25,000 lumens per sq meter. Make plans, draw them, revise them, make your calculations... then build. That pic you posted, way photoshopped - but you can grow a decent plant in a small pot.
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So, is this kit a good deal? It has the lamp, reflector and the ballast:

http://www.alojadamaria.com/product/495
 
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