Manitobans will be able to buy pot online, but can't grow at home under new legislation
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TheRealDman
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Tousaw said in that interview that any province that does not allow Rec homegrows will be in violation of the Charter. This will be litigated you can be sure.
TheRealDman
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Yes.
Also the Quebec zero tolerance for THC while driving will prove to be a Charter violation as well.
VIANARCHRIS
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The regulation of cannabis cultivation is a federal responsibility. Provinces and towns cannot outlaw a federally approved activity.
The list showing the responsibilities of various levels of government is here:
https://www.alberta.ca/cannabis-legalization-in-canada.aspx
legalcanada
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they can suck my fucking dick.. i mean getting a medical license is as easy as getting a sick note from the walk in except a medical license doesn't cost any money... i sure hope some manitoban lawyers are preparing a challenge already.
these idiots have already closed down 4 or 5 hospital emergency rooms here and cut huge in healthcare, now they're talking about private insurance here, i highly doubt they will get re-elected (manitoba has been NDP for a long time before this)
these idiots have already closed down 4 or 5 hospital emergency rooms here and cut huge in healthcare, now they're talking about private insurance here, i highly doubt they will get re-elected (manitoba has been NDP for a long time before this)
CalyxCrusher
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Welcome to how Ontarians have felt for ages
VIANARCHRIS
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Ban on home-grown pot: prudent safety measure or nonsensical tax grab?
The province's move to ban home-grown marijuana is harshing the buzz of pot proponents, while others say a cautious approach eases the burden of legal weed on police and landlords.
On Tuesday, the Manitoba Progressive Conservative government tabled its Safe and Responsible Retailing of Cannabis Act, which would set the legal age to buy cannabis at 19, and ban Manitobans without a medical licence from growing any plants in their homes, despite federal legislation allowing for up to four plants.
The federal government set a deadline of July 1, 2018 for all provinces to legalize the sale of marijuana.
At the Manitoba Legislative Building on Tuesday, legalization advocate Steven Stairs had mixed reaction to the news. Although he's pleased to see the province moving forward on setting up a framework for legalized pot, he said he's "extremely disappointed" by the ban on homegrown pot.
While some have argued that allowing home growing poses a safety risk due to high electricity usage from lights and water damage from hydroponic systems, Stairs questioned the logic behind allowing medical users to grow 50 plants at home, while non-medical users cannot even grow four.
"I think that's nonsense,' he said.
Lorne Weiss of the Manitoba Real Estate Association, however, praised the province's decision. He says grow operations can damage the structural integrity of a house if modifications are made and pose a health risk due to mould or fire.
The new rules also provide clients with greater clarity when buying and selling a home, Weiss said.
"Why would you want to buy a house that's been at risk of being not structurally sound or not safe?" he said. "From our members' perspective it's a good move to be able to assure our clients that they are buying what they think they're buying, which is a home that has not been used for the growing of cannabis."
Policing legalized pot
By not allowing any plants to be grown in homes, Weiss said police will have an easier time because they won't have to determine whether the number of plants in the home conform to the law.
Former Winnipeg police officer and medical marijuana user Bill Vandergraaf doesn't share Weiss's positive view of the province's pot bill.
"I think we're going to find that again we're wasting the time of our very precious police resources in our cities," he said.
People who grow at home often do so to offset the high cost of buying cannabis, and doing so allows people the freedom to cultivate their own strains suited to their needs, Vandergraaf said.
Taxing legalized pot
The province's decision to not allow home-grown marijuana ultimately comes down to tax revenue, Vandergraaf said.
"I think what we're losing here again is another freedom based upon government's assertion that they will control the cannabis industry, and that no one else will have a foot in the door so that they can collect the taxes."
University of Winnipeg politics professor Malcolm Bird agrees that the government wants to increase its revenue from legalized pot, although he argues that's a good thing.
"If the government's going to earn any money out of it, and I don't think there really is that much money to be earned taxing this, they're going to have to push up the market price of marijuana," said Bird.
He also argued that not allowing pot to be grown at home will make police officers' jobs easier.
"How are police officers and other enforcement units going to delineate between legally purchased marijuana and non-legally purchased marijuana?" he said. "Having the opportunity or the legal right for people to grow it will make that distinction much more difficult."
Selling legalized pot
Winnipeg-based medical marijuana producer Delta 9 preparing an application to be one of four licensed marijuana retailers in Manitoba ahead of the Dec. 22 deadline.
CEO John Arbuthnot says the province is taking a cautious approach initially. He says he never considered home-growing to be a threat to his potential business, comparing it to homemade beer or wine, and said he expects the government will revisit many of the new regulations after few years.
"It's not set in stone, in fact I don't think it should be set into stone, as we start to get feedback on how these different components are actually working in Canadian society, moving forward."
As a potential retailer, Arbuthnot said he's happy to have clarity on the rules. "We now know how to formalize or construct our control systems to ensure products are only being sold to those over the age of 19. Clarity is never a bad thing for business and we now have that."
Municipalities will have until 2022 to decide if they want to hold referendums on whether to ban pot.
The province's move to ban home-grown marijuana is harshing the buzz of pot proponents, while others say a cautious approach eases the burden of legal weed on police and landlords.
On Tuesday, the Manitoba Progressive Conservative government tabled its Safe and Responsible Retailing of Cannabis Act, which would set the legal age to buy cannabis at 19, and ban Manitobans without a medical licence from growing any plants in their homes, despite federal legislation allowing for up to four plants.
The federal government set a deadline of July 1, 2018 for all provinces to legalize the sale of marijuana.
At the Manitoba Legislative Building on Tuesday, legalization advocate Steven Stairs had mixed reaction to the news. Although he's pleased to see the province moving forward on setting up a framework for legalized pot, he said he's "extremely disappointed" by the ban on homegrown pot.
While some have argued that allowing home growing poses a safety risk due to high electricity usage from lights and water damage from hydroponic systems, Stairs questioned the logic behind allowing medical users to grow 50 plants at home, while non-medical users cannot even grow four.
"I think that's nonsense,' he said.
Lorne Weiss of the Manitoba Real Estate Association, however, praised the province's decision. He says grow operations can damage the structural integrity of a house if modifications are made and pose a health risk due to mould or fire.
The new rules also provide clients with greater clarity when buying and selling a home, Weiss said.
"Why would you want to buy a house that's been at risk of being not structurally sound or not safe?" he said. "From our members' perspective it's a good move to be able to assure our clients that they are buying what they think they're buying, which is a home that has not been used for the growing of cannabis."
Policing legalized pot
By not allowing any plants to be grown in homes, Weiss said police will have an easier time because they won't have to determine whether the number of plants in the home conform to the law.
Former Winnipeg police officer and medical marijuana user Bill Vandergraaf doesn't share Weiss's positive view of the province's pot bill.
"I think we're going to find that again we're wasting the time of our very precious police resources in our cities," he said.
People who grow at home often do so to offset the high cost of buying cannabis, and doing so allows people the freedom to cultivate their own strains suited to their needs, Vandergraaf said.
Taxing legalized pot
The province's decision to not allow home-grown marijuana ultimately comes down to tax revenue, Vandergraaf said.
"I think what we're losing here again is another freedom based upon government's assertion that they will control the cannabis industry, and that no one else will have a foot in the door so that they can collect the taxes."
University of Winnipeg politics professor Malcolm Bird agrees that the government wants to increase its revenue from legalized pot, although he argues that's a good thing.
"If the government's going to earn any money out of it, and I don't think there really is that much money to be earned taxing this, they're going to have to push up the market price of marijuana," said Bird.
He also argued that not allowing pot to be grown at home will make police officers' jobs easier.
"How are police officers and other enforcement units going to delineate between legally purchased marijuana and non-legally purchased marijuana?" he said. "Having the opportunity or the legal right for people to grow it will make that distinction much more difficult."
Selling legalized pot
Winnipeg-based medical marijuana producer Delta 9 preparing an application to be one of four licensed marijuana retailers in Manitoba ahead of the Dec. 22 deadline.
CEO John Arbuthnot says the province is taking a cautious approach initially. He says he never considered home-growing to be a threat to his potential business, comparing it to homemade beer or wine, and said he expects the government will revisit many of the new regulations after few years.
"It's not set in stone, in fact I don't think it should be set into stone, as we start to get feedback on how these different components are actually working in Canadian society, moving forward."
As a potential retailer, Arbuthnot said he's happy to have clarity on the rules. "We now know how to formalize or construct our control systems to ensure products are only being sold to those over the age of 19. Clarity is never a bad thing for business and we now have that."
Municipalities will have until 2022 to decide if they want to hold referendums on whether to ban pot.
CalyxCrusher
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And thats why hes a professor of politics and not economics. Not much to be earned eh? These are the fucken clowns educating our youth.
CalyxCrusher
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What about clones and seedlings? Adds up pretty quickly. People who literally haven't got a clue shouldn't chime in.
growing before was easy enough...
just gonna get easier for people to at least TRY,,,,,the way I see it... Some will fail. Some will get tired of it. Growing takes time, vigilance and WORK. No jail time anyway!
Finding time to go away can be tough when you grow 24/7 365... and have to, in order to have enough meds under these fucked laws we deal with.
lol New Line of work.. l
CERTIFIED.... GROW-SITTERS-R-US
just gonna get easier for people to at least TRY,,,,,the way I see it... Some will fail. Some will get tired of it. Growing takes time, vigilance and WORK. No jail time anyway!
Finding time to go away can be tough when you grow 24/7 365... and have to, in order to have enough meds under these fucked laws we deal with.
lol New Line of work.. l
CERTIFIED.... GROW-SITTERS-R-US
legalcanada
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manitoba seriously is a shit hole with crumbling infrastructure and tied for the highest provincial tax rate last time i checked - i've lived all over western canada and winnipeg isn't even that much cheaper than other places for
Is this guy fucking retarded? and he's a professor? the only reason the market price is so high is due to the risks involved with growing and selling it and the long supply chain (of organized crime usually..) before it gets to the end user ... with legalization there is absolutely no reason the price can't be half or a quarter of what it is now if not less. it's all about greed so i'm not surprised 'weiss' agrees
legalcanada
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you know what i'm half convinced that was always the plan - make it illegal so the government can make more money smuggling it to the gangs and slowly drive up the prices then legalize it and try legislating themselves the entire monopoly. fucking dicks.