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Gmack420

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ricky1lung said:
You try to twist and turn things to suit your agenda quite often, but you're right that I don't believe in capital punishment. Not a big deal as plenty of people agree.

look at the things you argue, just for the sake of arguing.

I say med could and should be better than rec, you say it can't be any better than it is and that research won't produce anything better than what currently exists. All at the same time that you condemn the shwag lp's produce.

You argue against your own points just to argue with me, you should just quit reading my posts before you have a melt down or aneurysm.
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Lol you sure do like to twist thing up in your mind. I never said weed can't get better. I said the scientist who are now just starting to research it as medicine won't be the ones to improve upon what we already have. Quite a diffrence then what you're claiming I'm saying. Yes lp's only grow schwag. No they are not doing any research to improve it either. Yes they are stealing tech from the homegrower and trying to implement it in their schwag factory. I'm sorry what I'm saying is beyond your ability to comprehend. But that doesn't mean I won't correct you on the bullshit you spew. Cheers Rick you know nothing about marijuana and are on a forum dedicated to its production. Lol you must love getting your head kicked in virtually every day cuz you just keep coming up with the same nonsensical arguments that have no basis in reality.
 
doingdishes

doingdishes

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my 2 bits about commercial grow vs home grow-when you go to McDonalds and get a burger it tastes a lot different than when you make it at home. why? I think because you can and do take more care that a commercial operation. Commercial is for profit only. they might take good safety steps and might come out with a good product but home made food always tastes better to me.
 
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gb123

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doingdishes said:
my 2 bits about commercial grow vs home grow-when you go to McDonalds and get a burger it tastes a lot different than when you make it at home. why? I think because you can and do take more care that a commercial operation. Commercial is for profit only. they might take good safety steps and might come out with a good product but home made food always tastes better to me.
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look what they did to Webbers :lol: ...
 
OGEvilgenius

OGEvilgenius

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doingdishes said:
if you abuse the system, you shouldn't be allowed in it..plain and simple but things are never that cut and dry.
if you grew for medical and went through proper channels but your neighbour is growing to make $$, why shouldn't they get busted? they are only doing it for $$.
anyone taking advantage takes away from the people that are in real need. just like insurance or prices for goods. because people lie and cheat, we all pay more.
i think people with a "need" should be ahead of those who "want".
there is and was abuse in the MMAR no doubt and that's a shame. i think if they reinstate it, there should be more checks and balances....but what would those be? show your Dr that you actually do use it? light up in his office? maybe test for THC to see the level in their system?
I'm blathering now so I'll stop
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More supply = lower prices - meaning the mom & pop you seem to want to criticize for no good reason is actually lowering prices in their effort to earn a living.

Your proposed systems to regulate a completely harmless plant are what keep prices way higher than they need to be. Not to mention hold back industrial development.
 
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doingdishes

doingdishes

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OGEvilgenius said:
More supply = lower prices - meaning the mom & pop you seem to want to criticize for no good reason is actually lowering prices in their effort to earn a living.

Your proposed systems to regulate a completely harmless plant are what keep prices way higher than they need to be. Not to mention hold back industrial development.
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where am i criticizing?
I am very much in favour of homegrows...I want one so I am not sure what you mean.
 
OGEvilgenius

OGEvilgenius

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doingdishes said:
where am i criticizing?
I am very much in favour of homegrows...I want one so I am not sure what you mean.
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Well you opened with 'why shouldn't they get busted'? When there are about a billion reasons and no good one as to why they should be.

Then you said anyone selling to the black market is taking from people who somehow deserve it otherwise (not too clear on what this means but it's a ridiculous statement as people in the MMAR program routinely got their meds without complaints - some even for free because of black market retailers and because of these same growers the overall price of cannabis has dropped significantly within Canada especially when adjusted for inflation).

Then you said if they reinstate the MMAR their should be more checks and balances and more inspections (IE: More regulations which undoubtedly will raise the price of either cannabis or your taxes or both).

Allowing home grows. People should be able to grow whatever they want on their own property. If it's overwhelmingly smelly you might have a legit complaint as a neighbour, but otherwise not really - and that's something routinely handled in small claims court or outside the law completely.
 
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nobody important 666

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OGEvilgenius said:
Well you opened with 'why shouldn't they get busted'? When there are about a billion reasons and no good one as to why they should be.

Then you said anyone selling to the black market is taking from people who somehow deserve it otherwise (not too clear on what this means but it's a ridiculous statement as people in the MMAR program routinely got their meds without complaints - some even for free because of black market retailers and because of these same growers the overall price of cannabis has dropped significantly within Canada especially when adjusted for inflation).

Then you said if they reinstate the MMAR their should be more checks and balances and more inspections (IE: More regulations which undoubtedly will raise the price of either cannabis or your taxes or both).

Allowing home grows. People should be able to grow whatever they want on their own property. If it's overwhelmingly smelly you might have a legit complaint as a neighbour, but otherwise not really - and that's something routinely handled in small claims court or outside the law completely.
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I have to disagree there are a lot of reasons they should be. Biggest is no tax money being made. I for one am not willing to pay more for them to skirt around taxes. The next one is safety, lots of criminals have zero problems robbing an under the table cash grab therefore putting me and my family at risk by being around them. As for mom and pop driving prices down that's not true, the growers are just bypassing regs and tax to get a lower price. There are lot of services and goods the gov has put min prices on ie smokes, booze, bullets. Im totally for home grows but for person use only any thing else is just a criminal action. If you want to sell you should be a business period.
 
doingdishes

doingdishes

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OGEvilgenius said:
Well you opened with 'why shouldn't they get busted'? When there are about a billion reasons and no good one as to why they should be.

Then you said anyone selling to the black market is taking from people who somehow deserve it otherwise (not too clear on what this means but it's a ridiculous statement as people in the MMAR program routinely got their meds without complaints - some even for free because of black market retailers and because of these same growers the overall price of cannabis has dropped significantly within Canada especially when adjusted for inflation).

Then you said if they reinstate the MMAR their should be more checks and balances and more inspections (IE: More regulations which undoubtedly will raise the price of either cannabis or your taxes or both).

Allowing home grows. People should be able to grow whatever they want on their own property. If it's overwhelmingly smelly you might have a legit complaint as a neighbour, but otherwise not really - and that's something routinely handled in small claims court or outside the law completely.
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i think you really misread my post.
i was only speaking of the abusers. i think you should read what i was responding to instead of reading it as a general post.
i am not against home grows at all. i am against the abuse and that's what seemed to cause the prices to go to $800/LB that the system was.
i believe they should check more on the licensed homegrows (if we don't get it legalized) that way there might be less abuse. i don't understand why enforcing what we have agreed to is a bad thing. the growers i have heard from and the witnesses in the Allard trial all said that if they want to inspect, let them. that wouldn't cost the grower a dime and it wouldn't have any effect on the prices.
if you are growing for yourself or your patient, what taxes are you speaking of?
if someone has a medical license to grow and they are only doing it for profit, why shouldn't they get busted? they are not doing things legally or doing what either side agreed to.
this is a moot argument if we get it legalized anyway...we should be able to produce for ourselves and there wouldn't be any issues...except for the new laws for our newly "legalized" plant.
 
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nobody important 666

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doingdishes said:
i think you really misread my post.
i was only speaking of the abusers. i think you should read what i was responding to instead of reading it as a general post.
i am not against home grows at all. i am against the abuse and that's what seemed to cause the prices to go to $800/LB that the system was.
i believe they should check more on the licensed homegrows (if we don't get it legalized) that way there might be less abuse. i don't understand why enforcing what we have agreed to is a bad thing. the growers i have heard from and the witnesses in the Allard trial all said that if they want to inspect, let them. that wouldn't cost the grower a dime and it wouldn't have any effect on the prices.
if you are growing for yourself or your patient, what taxes are you speaking of?
if someone has a medical license to grow and they are only doing it for profit, why shouldn't they get busted? they are not doing things legally or doing what either side agreed to.
this is a moot argument if we get it legalized anyway...we should be able to produce for ourselves and there wouldn't be any issues...except for the new laws for our newly "legalized" plant.
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The tax from a dg would be income tax. If part of the sale included labour and you did not declare thats income tax fraud. The price for a patient should be the hydro and nute price only.
 
OGEvilgenius

OGEvilgenius

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nobody important 666 said:
I have to disagree there are a lot of reasons they should be. Biggest is no tax money being made. I for one am not willing to pay more for them to skirt around taxes. The next one is safety, lots of criminals have zero problems robbing an under the table cash grab therefore putting me and my family at risk by being around them. As for mom and pop driving prices down that's not true, the growers are just bypassing regs and tax to get a lower price. There are lot of services and goods the gov has put min prices on ie smokes, booze, bullets. Im totally for home grows but for person use only any thing else is just a criminal action. If you want to sell you should be a business period.
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Taxes drive up prices and create black markets.

See: Tobacco black market currently as an example.

I'm pretty sure the guy growing dope in his own basement doesn't want his house to burn down either. And if it does then that's on him and you're not likely to be affected. You might be affected, but your neighbour could have done electrical work on his own bathroom improperly and the exact same shit could happen. This is life. You cannot avoid life.

And the only reason people do this shit themselves is because it's illegal anyway. Most folks would probably rather hire an electrician - but good luck finding one you can trust.

Legalize it, let people grow it themselves free from government interference. If they are smelling up the neighbourhood you can talk with them about it and if they do nothing take them to small claims court.

More over there would be insurance available to people who wanted to do this to help cover any unforeseen circumstances - which currently is damn near impossible to find.
 
OGEvilgenius

OGEvilgenius

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doingdishes said:
i think you really misread my post.
i was only speaking of the abusers. i think you should read what i was responding to instead of reading it as a general post.
i am not against home grows at all. i am against the abuse and that's what seemed to cause the prices to go to $800/LB that the system was.
i believe they should check more on the licensed homegrows (if we don't get it legalized) that way there might be less abuse. i don't understand why enforcing what we have agreed to is a bad thing. the growers i have heard from and the witnesses in the Allard trial all said that if they want to inspect, let them. that wouldn't cost the grower a dime and it wouldn't have any effect on the prices.
if you are growing for yourself or your patient, what taxes are you speaking of?
if someone has a medical license to grow and they are only doing it for profit, why shouldn't they get busted? they are not doing things legally or doing what either side agreed to.
this is a moot argument if we get it legalized anyway...we should be able to produce for ourselves and there wouldn't be any issues...except for the new laws for our newly "legalized" plant.
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You were complaining about high prices and you mention how this abuse drove prices down to 800 bucks a lb... you aren't making any sense at all brother.

Pull your head out of the ideological clouds and use some logic and reason. You made bold assertions with absolutely no basis in anything.

It's a bad thing because prices are kept artificially high. Supply artificially low. Innovation artificially low. All kinds of reasons.

They shouldn't get busted because no one should get busted for growing a plant.
 
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nobody important 666

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OGEvilgenius said:
Taxes drive up prices and create black markets.

See: Tobacco black market currently as an example.

I'm pretty sure the guy growing dope in his own basement doesn't want his house to burn down either. And if it does then that's on him and you're not likely to be affected. You might be affected, but your neighbour could have done electrical work on his own bathroom improperly and the exact same shit could happen. This is life. You cannot avoid life.

And the only reason people do this shit themselves is because it's illegal anyway. Most folks would probably rather hire an electrician - but good luck finding one you can trust.

Legalize it, let people grow it themselves free from government interference. If they are smelling up the neighbourhood you can talk with them about it and if they do nothing take them to small claims court.

More over there would be insurance available to people who wanted to do this to help cover any unforeseen circumstances - which currently is damn near impossible to find.
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I think everyone here agrees with you. But we where talking about the guy who is growing for medical use and selling it to anybody with 10 in their pocket.
 
OGEvilgenius

OGEvilgenius

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nobody important 666 said:
I think everyone here agrees with you. But we where talking about the guy who is growing for medical use and selling it to anybody with 10 in their pocket.
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And that guy drove prices down for everyone and did many people a service who could not otherwise aquire their medicine. As long as he isn't poisoning people (and with the bro science that is prevalent in this industry, no doubt this happens - which is why I eagerly await the results of the law suit in Colorado over a GOVERNMENT APPROVED crop that was laced with Eagle 20 - a commonly used anti fungal that is systemic and cancer causing when smoked) I see no issue.

That's why lawsuits exist, to set precedent so people don't do it again. It's why we no longer have asbestos lined houses covered in lead paint.

Now companies can hide behind regulations a lot of the time - which is in part what makes the above case interesting.

The guy doing this to make money is just another guy. Most of those guys if they want to live launder their money and pay taxes just like anyone else.

Usually they are sending their meds to a patient for free while they make this money just FYI.
 
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nobody important 666

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OGEvilgenius said:
And that guy drove prices down for everyone and did many people a service who could not otherwise aquire their medicine. As long as he isn't poisoning people (and with the bro science that is prevalent in this industry, no doubt this happens - which is why I eagerly await the results of the law suit in Colorado over a GOVERNMENT APPROVED crop that was laced with Eagle 20 - a commonly used anti fungal that is systemic and cancer causing when smoked) I see no issue.

That's why lawsuits exist, to set precedent so people don't do it again. It's why we no longer have asbestos lined houses covered in lead paint.

Now companies can hide behind regulations a lot of the time - which is in part what makes the above case interesting.

The guy doing this to make money is just another guy. Most of those guys if they want to live launder their money and pay taxes just like anyone else.

Usually they are sending their meds to a patient for free while they make this money just FYI.
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so by your logic anything anybody can do anything illegal and everyone should just be cool with. Im not the guy that whinned about prices. around here its been the same price for 20+ yrs. Only outdoor changes and thats because no one wants it.
 
OGEvilgenius

OGEvilgenius

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nobody important 666 said:
so by your logic anything anybody can do anything illegal and everyone should just be cool with. Im not the guy that whinned about prices. around here its been the same price for 20+ yrs. Only outdoor changes and thats because no one wants it.
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That is not even close to what I said.

They aren't harming anyone. If they are they should be held to account through a lawsuit or criminal trial depending on the circumstances.

If you aren't harming anyone you shouldn't be convicted of anything. It's really quite simple.
 
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nobody important 666

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OGEvilgenius said:
That is not even close to what I said.

They aren't harming anyone. If they are they should be held to account through a lawsuit or criminal trial depending on the circumstances.

If you aren't harming anyone you shouldn't be convicted of anything. It's really quite simple.
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Don't their actions directly effect you financially would you not agree that forcing you to pay their portions of income tax for everyday things you and they use not make you think they should be punished for directly effecting you.
 
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