Lucas formula +rep for knowledgeable answers :)

llewop211

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Based on the 16 essential elements, his wonder fuel is far from complete. You tell me what his NPK and micro values are, and I'll show you how this formula was developed by a newb for noobs who don't know squat about plant nutrition.

I want to see your plants just before harvest.

UB
https://www.rollitup.org/hydroponics-aeroponics/268790-lucas-formula-recipe-scratch-really.html

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Based upon the most recent analysis of Floramicro and Flora Bloom this is the corrected formula for the Luca Method:

ppm concentrations at a 1:100 dilution

Nitrogen 167
Phosphorus 333
Potassium 397
Magnesium 100
Calcium 215
Sulfur 133
Iron 3.33
Manganese 1.67
Boron 1.67
Zinc 1.00
Copper .33
Molybdenum .03

Ounces
PART A
Calcium Nitrate 14.2
Iron Chelate .45

Ounces
Part B
MonoPotassium Phosphate 21.0
Magnesium Sulfate 13.5
Manganese Sulfate .090
Boric Acid / Solubor.123
Zinc Sulfate .058
Copper Sulfate .020
Ammonium Molybdate .001

Volume of Stock Solutions 1/2 gallon each part

Dilution Rate
100

This is a high concentrate formulation based upon analysis concentrations. The EC of the Part A is 1.08, Part B EC = 1.64, combined the EC is 2.72. Obviously a higher EC then most would consider using.

The PH used with RO water should be 5.4 at 1:100

The TDS ast a 1:100 mix is 1904



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tea tree

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make sure you read thru the whole thread at cannabis cuture "ask lucas". Might still be active but I dont know. Was a few months ago.

Lucas changes quite a few times on what his formula is. In the latest peice he is deciding that regular str flora nova veg is right up until the flip too 12 and 12 then begin adding flora nova bloom in the addbacks and topoffs until it is all flora nova bloom. I cant rember what he says about cal mag with this, I assume it is covered or what is the point at all of reading the thread! Lol.

The thread deals mostly with cal mag probs. Also In the beginning it talks about the 8 16 and the 5/10 ( I think I also forget this exact lower number) as diferent formulas for cfls or HIDS. The plant wants the stronger nutes for higher lights.

The opinions of the thread and lucas and his freinds change quite a bit. He pretty much finds that flora nova and flora nova bloom are the same as the three part at his dream ppms. So he pretty much decides that the three part is the best soultion, and to use the bloom as addback additive or a bloom form as that so as to N load up the plants.


I dont see how this "lucas formula" histeria is a big deal still at all. I went anck to the two part thinking that I had found a grail when I read about this formula and then I read the whole thread. I then decided that I was better off using the three part as apparantly lucas agreed. Especially when you decipher that the the flora nova grow and bloom are the same NPK ratio as the three part at full str.

However I get better control and more mineral and stable nutes with the three part. For me it is about ease and contril and the fact the astronauts use the three part! When it comes to hydro.

In soil I am an organic nut and believe in the soil food web and go on all day about the bene. But in hydro give me chems!

Also as i wanted ease nothing is better than the three part with the hardwater micro and tapwater! Naysayers abound about ph but I am still fine and I am in flower. These are the healthiest looking plants I ever grew.

I add superthrive and h202 and kool bloom, liquid and prob dry too or big bud which I have on hand an prob use as I have seen them pump up buds.

I then flush for a week in dwc and nothing is cleaner
 

Uncle Ben

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https://www.rollitup.org/hydroponics-aeroponics/268790-lucas-formula-recipe-scratch-really.html

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Based upon the most recent analysis of Floramicro and Flora Bloom this is the corrected formula for the Luca Method:

ppm concentrations at a 1:100 dilution

Nitrogen 167
Phosphorus 333
Potassium 397
Magnesium 100
Calcium 215
Sulfur 133
Iron 3.33
Manganese 1.67
Boron 1.67
Zinc 1.00
Copper .33
Molybdenum .03
OK, that's 12 elements versus Dyna-Gro's 16, and not enough N to support foliage. Flip the NPK values and I might be convinced that it's a start. Still, would never buy into it.....

That as opposed to Dyna-Gro's Foliage-Pro 9-3-6 - 16 elements, cheap, one part no fuss, no muss.

UB
 

Uncle Ben

Well-Known Member
Lucas changes quite a few times on what his formula is. In the latest peice he is deciding .....
That's because he doesn't know what he's doing. Check out the links here: http://www.staugorchidsociety.org/PDF/IPAFertilizers.pdf

There's about 5 excellent papers in that series.

What's up with the Superthrive? You guys add stuff not knowing the outcome, or because someone else claimed they got "super" buds? IMO, you will only benefit from the use of Superthrive during a transplant to induce root cell division and even then my expert network of professionals says its a waste of time and money.

UB
 

LEDZEP

Active Member
Im a noob and the Lucas Formula, after I switched to 12/12, has been great, and cheap. I didn't like the results while vegging but I was a little apprehensive. I am using the add back method and it is so easy, I think I have great results, but then again this is the first go and I have nothing to compare to. All I know is that the formula got me off to a great start and I don't have to do res changes every week. I would recommend it to anyone.
Peace
 

CLOSETGROWTH

Well-Known Member
That's because he doesn't know what he's doing. Check out the links here: http://www.staugorchidsociety.org/PDF/IPAFertilizers.pdf

There's about 5 excellent papers in that series.

What's up with the Superthrive? You guys add stuff not knowing the outcome, or because someone else claimed they got "super" buds? IMO, you will only benefit from the use of Superthrive during a transplant to induce root cell division and even then my expert network of professionals says its a waste of time and money.

UB
Superthrive works great. :clap:

Ive grown with, and without.

In comparison,

The plants that received the Superthrive were noticeably bigger, and much more healthier. :weed:

And it always made my plants short and Bushy. Way more shoots. And talk about roots!!!

The stems were visibly larger, and the plants were more rigid, and tough, and could overcome any form of stress.

Just cant use this product in flowering.

So, There it is in a nutshell.

Its a fact, enough said.

But, of course, your not gonna believe me, because your stuck in your old ways.

You hear stuff from your so called network of professionals, and believe them in a heartbeat.

Just like a newbie praising a product from AN.

UB Ever used the product?

Didn't think so.


If it aint your way UB, you have a freakin' cow.

Everyone does things in a different manner.

Why do we gotta do everything your way??

You think your Gods gift to man. :lol:

The one thing I will agree about, And thats the fact that some of the cheaper $5.00 boxes of ferts like(peters 20-20-20) will do wonders for a Mj grow.

Dude, You certainly dont know it all. :roll:
 

researchkitty

Well-Known Member
make sure you read thru the whole thread at cannabis cuture "ask lucas". Might still be active but I dont know. Was a few months ago.

I dont see how this "lucas formula" histeria is a big deal still at all.
The thread is still accessible, top result on google for ask lucas still.

The "hysteria" about the "lucas formula" is that it's a very easy, inexpensive, simple, maintenance free, headache free, less error prone, less pH/ppm sensitivity, easy to clean , etc... Its just a very simple all-in-one solution to growing from a small to a very large quantity of herb with the least amount of headache.

Since the Internet is flooded with a lot of truly worthless pure shit, newbies get confused with high tech and dont understand the fundamentals. Lucas's mentors system that is named after Lucas now, is in that it teaches the fundamentals of a better grow room environment to fuel better results.

I disagree with pH (Lucas's mentor) on two issues, though.

1.) I dont feel that maintaining the same ppm over the entire grow cycle is smart. He says that if a plant uses 40oz of liquid nutrients, that you should put it in 5oz dumps for 8 weeks. That's just stupid. The plants grow faster in different areas at different stages of its lifetime. Hence why most grow charts show you with lower ppm at first and higher ppm during the max peaks of flowering then taper off to harvest. So while the 0-8-16ml/gallon solution works (but sucks for vegging!) I feel you can yield better results otherwise.

2.) Lack of his use of any additives. Lucas himself says 1.75lbs/lamp is great for him. That's why others can pull 2.25lbs/lamp instead, by using additives. Lets face it too, what does it cost us for one 1000w lamp for nutrients per cycle, $50? $100? Woopie-doodoo. Lucas simply experiences strong results for naturally easily grown marijuana because his environment is always perfect. He knows res temps, light distances, to use 60watts/sqft, how to maintain ppm/pH perfectly, and how to balance nutrients. And all of the technical aspects of the knowledge and how each aspect changes multiple dynamics of others. That's why he's excellent, he was a great student and translated that method to the world. If additive usage was shown to provide no benefits, nobody would buy or stock them. We would all know additives would be a waste of money because we would all see no differences either way. Lucas refuses to acknowledge that they can work and admits he has no experience using them. It isnt wrong of him, its just his style, which I dont agree with that part of.

Yeehaw.
 

CLOSETGROWTH

Well-Known Member
The thread is still accessible, top result on google for ask lucas still.

The "hysteria" about the "lucas formula" is that it's a very easy, inexpensive, simple, maintenance free, headache free, less error prone, less pH/ppm sensitivity, easy to clean , etc... Its just a very simple all-in-one solution to growing from a small to a very large quantity of herb with the least amount of headache.

Since the Internet is flooded with a lot of truly worthless pure shit, newbies get confused with high tech and dont understand the fundamentals. Lucas's mentors system that is named after Lucas now, is in that it teaches the fundamentals of a better grow room environment to fuel better results.

I disagree with pH (Lucas's mentor) on two issues, though.

1.) I dont feel that maintaining the same ppm over the entire grow cycle is smart. He says that if a plant uses 40oz of liquid nutrients, that you should put it in 5oz dumps for 8 weeks. That's just stupid. The plants grow faster in different areas at different stages of its lifetime. Hence why most grow charts show you with lower ppm at first and higher ppm during the max peaks of flowering then taper off to harvest. So while the 0-8-16ml/gallon solution works (but sucks for vegging!) I feel you can yield better results otherwise.

2.) Lack of his use of any additives. Lucas himself says 1.75lbs/lamp is great for him. That's why others can pull 2.25lbs/lamp instead, by using additives. Lets face it too, what does it cost us for one 1000w lamp for nutrients per cycle, $50? $100? Woopie-doodoo. Lucas simply experiences strong results for naturally easily grown marijuana because his environment is always perfect. He knows res temps, light distances, to use 60watts/sqft, how to maintain ppm/pH perfectly, and how to balance nutrients. And all of the technical aspects of the knowledge and how each aspect changes multiple dynamics of others. That's why he's excellent, he was a great student and translated that method to the world. If additive usage was shown to provide no benefits, nobody would buy or stock them. We would all know additives would be a waste of money because we would all see no differences either way. Lucas refuses to acknowledge that they can work and admits he has no experience using them. It isnt wrong of him, its just his style, which I dont agree with that part of.

Yeehaw.
Lucas formula Sucks for vegging huh??

I have vegged 32"+ plants using the lucas formula.. In a very short time, with stems the size of a mop handle, and the roots are enormous.

Can hardly put the mop head worth of roots in my 3 1/2 gallon veg buckets! :lol:


I think its more like "user error" on your part.
 

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Dirtfree

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ITS A FUCKING WEED!!!!

You guys can give your plants all the shit you want! Its not going to change the fact that most people cant read their plants!

I give my plant what it needs because it tells me too!!!


CG ya know im just fuckin around......Keep em green!!!

But seriously, give Uncle ben a chance, he knows his shit about reading plants.
Dirtfree
 

homebrewer

Well-Known Member
ITS A FUCKING WEED!!!!
It's not a weed. A weed is a plant that is invasive and crowds out cultivated plants. Weeds are also considered a nuisance.

In regards to the Lucas formula, is someone going to post pictures of their Lucas product? I'm still of the attitude that lucas is a cheap bastard whose close-mindedness is holding his plants back.
 

Uncle Ben

Well-Known Member
It's not a weed. A weed is a plant that is invasive and crowds out cultivated plants. Weeds are also considered a nuisance.

In regards to the Lucas formula, is someone going to post pictures of their Lucas product? I'm still of the attitude that lucas is a cheap bastard whose close-mindedness is holding his plants back.
Now that you mentioned it, since me and Lucas aka "newbie" started posting at ADPC about 10 years ago, I have never seen any of his plants. That may be just me, circumstances, or......
 

tea tree

Well-Known Member
i just mixed a res with the gh nute calculator and it was right on with the ppms they say. I love that thing,lol.
 

homebrewer

Well-Known Member
Well if someone would like to step-up and post pictures of their lucas formula product, I'd be interesting to see the results. This is a picture of the product when the entire expert line is being used.



*picture is for entertainment purposes only and was found though google.
 

llewop211

Well-Known Member
Again, I am not saying that the lucas formula is the best way to grow plants, but it does work. Heres some pictures of my current grow, Its a 30 site aeroflo, 12 plants, strain is blueberry hoggsbreath, I'm assuming it's a cross between blue dream and hoggsbreath. These plants where vegged for 5 days and are currently on day 58 of 12/12, I plan on chopping them sometime next week, been flushing since sunday. The two lights are a 600w hps on left, and a 400w on right. Both are cooled by one 4" inline. No C02, Water temps between 65-72, Room temps between 70-80, RH between 45-60. Some leaves have a bit of ozone damage, I grow in my apartment... These plants have been fed the full strength (0-8-16) Lucas Formula from day one, No additives, no h202. The reason the canopy looks like the buds are all falling is because I bent the big colas to expose the lower bud sites these last 2 weeks. There is a lot of bleaching on the top buds, I don't think this has anything to do with the nutes used, more with me being to lazy to raise the lights or move the buds around. I actually think it looks kinda cool.
 

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homebrewer

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Nice pics llewop. I'd be happy with that quality. It looks like you know your shiz and I'd love to see a grower like you add an additive or two to see the difference for yourself. KoolBloom will fatten that product up real nice and products like florablend, floralicious bloom and sweet seem to really pack on the ice and improve overall health. Either way, you've got some nice ladies there. Cheers.
 

patlpp

New Member
Here's a few more images running the Lucas Formula.. GH Micro and bloom, thats it! :)

Got over 39 oz's from 9 plants under 1 1000 watt hps light.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it! :lol:
Well , you could have gotten a little more on those Colas if you just added some Big Bud, Bloom Booster, Bud Blood, Bud Candy, Bud Factory, carbo Load, Final Phase, Hammerhead, Overdrive, Voodoo juice, Vitaboost & Super Bud Blaster.;-)
 

CLOSETGROWTH

Well-Known Member
Well , you could have gotten a little more on those Colas if you just added some Big Bud, Bloom Booster, Bud Blood, Bud Candy, Bud Factory, carbo Load, Final Phase, Hammerhead, Overdrive, Voodoo juice, Vitaboost & Super Bud Blaster.;-)
LOL!! :lol:

Good one dude!!!!! ;-)

They blew up even more than what you seen.

I believe them cola's were right around the 5th week.

I wouldn't put that garbage in my buckets if someone gave it to me.

Peace, CG :)
 
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