Lucas Formula Need Help What Gives

homebrewer

homebrewer

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jojodancer10 said:
ok so stick with kool bloom? I'm willing to learn if your willing to teach !
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Koolbloom and florabloom are the same thing. They both have the same ingredients, both have the same ppm contribution to a gallon of water, and both have the same NPK ratio. But, koolbloom is twice the price so I'd say skip it.

I take it you're looking for a bloom booster of sorts? To be honest, I bet maxibloom from GH from roughly day 21 to harvest would out perform the GH 3-part. I like the more desirable NPK ratio of 1-3-3 over the 3 part which is about 1-2-2.
 
Ferredoxin

Ferredoxin

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homebrewer said:
Koolbloom and florabloom are the same thing. They both have the same ingredients, both have the same ppm contribution to a gallon of water, and both have the same NPK ratio. But, koolbloom is twice the price so I'd say skip it.

I take it you're looking for a bloom booster of sorts? To be honest, I bet maxibloom from GH from roughly day 21 to harvest would out perform the GH 3-part. I like the more desirable NPK ratio of 1-3-3 over the 3 part which is about 1-2-2.
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There seems to be a lack of most of the essential micronutrients in the Maxi series. Whats up with that?
 
homebrewer

homebrewer

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Ferredoxin said:
There seems to be a lack of most of the essential micronutrients in the Maxi series. Whats up with that?
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Maxi bloom only has 7 of the 16 essential elements whereas the 3-part has 10 elements. I am in 100% agreement that both lines should be more complete but in my experience, they're complete enough to grow healthy plants. I will also add that based on experience, the more complete the line (assuming it's used correctly), the better the final product. There isn't much of a quality difference between 7 and 10 elements, but there is a noticeable difference between 10 and 16 elements. Don't get me wrong, they're all capable of growing plants that get you high. But the intensity and duration is something that changes when you use more complete fertilizer.

But in regards to yields, NPK ratios and boosters, maxibloom isn't a bad choice for the money. To one-up that suggestion, Jacks classic with their 10-30-20 bloom booster would trump the 3part and maxibloom.
 
Neumann

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homebrewer said:
The 3-part formulas (and there are a few of them out there all based on GH's) contain nearly all the micro nutrients in the micro bottle. Your plants need those micro nutrients so cutting micro back to achieve some sort of more desirable NPK ratio is doing more harm than good. The 3 part isn't really set up to be 'tweaked' for better NPKs. You kind of get what you get. With that being said, I'd recommend 5mls micro and 14mls bloom after the stretch and maybe in the last 3 weeks or so, I'd go 4mls micro and 12mls bloom.

If you were looking for better NPKs for the different stages of growth, you really just have to move away from the 3-parts.
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While I understand your point about the micro, I don't understand that statement I bolded. I was under the impression that's what the three part formulas were for, to tailor a profile to wherever you want it. That's the basic premise of using different amounts of each in different stages, isn't it? I go by the belief that a plant needs more nitrogen in vegetative state and more potassium and phosphorus in flower. That's what I'm working with. If I'm incorrect time will tell. Here's what I'm showing at the ratios I previously posted on Day 42 of flowering.

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homebrewer

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Neumann said:
I was under the impression that's what the three part formulas were for, to tailor a profile to wherever you want it. That's the basic premise of using different amounts of each in different stages, isn't it? I go by the belief that a plant needs more nitrogen in vegetative state and more potassium and phosphorus in flower. That's what I'm working with. If I'm incorrect time will tell. Here's what I'm showing at the ratios I previously posted on Day 42 of flowering.

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I think the idea of the 3 part is ease-of-use as those 3 bottles are all you need from veg to harvest. Micro is a constant because it supplies nearly all of your micro nutes, but bloom and grow are subtracted or added depending on the stage of growth. Your plants look healthy but jamming in the florabloom isn't going to make those plants use more than they need or can handle. I just think you'd do better with a more balanced feeding program.

My day 43:

 
Neumann

Neumann

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homebrewer said:
I think the idea of the 3 part is ease-of-use as those 3 bottles are all you need from veg to harvest. Micro is a constant because it supplies nearly all of your micro nutes, but bloom and grow are subtracted or added depending on the stage of growth. Your plants look healthy but jamming in the florabloom isn't going to make those plants use more than they need or can handle. I just think you'd do better with a more balanced feeding program.
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Point taken, thanks. Nice day 42, it helps your argument.
 
SeattleLights#1

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just my 2 cents i switched to AN recently and loving it but i used the lucas tell my gh was gone and loved that too i got 4 and a half ounces cured in my water farm with only a 400w hps and i was way happy with that my plant right now is even bigger but i went 0-5-10 all the way through veg and flower no other added nutes
 
jojodancer10

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man i love this lucas formula i see new growth everywhere. the only thing im thinking about is if i should buy H202 or keep using the hydromze and zone
 
hellraizer30

hellraizer30

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well I can say fuck to zyme, but im doing testing of the zone, cant say much yet to soon!
as for H202 wouldnt go without it.

and 0/5/10 is a npk ratio! 5 ML of micro / 10ML of bloom if you did read the lucas thread
you should know this by now.
 
Irollfatties

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hellraizer30 said:
well I can say fuck to zyme, but im doing testing of the zone, cant say much yet to soon!
as for H202 wouldnt go without it.

and 0/5/10 is a npk ratio! 5 ML of micro / 10ML of bloom if you did read the lucas thread
you should know this by now.
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Wait, NPK ratio is Nitrogen-phosphorus-potassium. So your saying theres zero Nitrogen in the lucas formula of 0-5-10, hence where the N would be in NPK? wrong. Its not a NPK ratio, it is a ratio however just not NPK.
 
Saerimmner

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so if any brand of nutrients can be adjusted to create this formula does anyone know what parts/quantities you need for the canna nutrients range in coco?
 
homebrewer

homebrewer

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Saerimmner said:
so if any brand of nutrients can be adjusted to create this formula does anyone know what parts/quantities you need for the canna nutrients range in coco?
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You don't want to necessarily emulate the formula with other brands as it's not your ticket to the best results, rather just an easy concept for beginners to grasp.
 
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