Lose your property for growing food?

TheBrutalTruth

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[FONT=Palatino, Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif][SIZE=+1]Big Brother legislation could mean prosecution, fines up to $1 million[/SIZE][/FONT]
[SIZE=-1]Posted: March 16, 2009
8:56 pm Eastern

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[FONT=Palatino, Times New Roman, Georgia, Times, serif]By Chelsea Schilling[/FONT]
[SIZE=-1] © 2009 WorldNetDaily [/SIZE]

Some small farms and organic [COLOR=blue ! important][COLOR=blue ! important]food[/COLOR][/COLOR] growers could be placed under direct supervision of the federal government under new legislation making its way through Congress.
Food Safety Modernization Act

House Resolution 875, or the Food Safety Modernization Act of 2009, was introduced by Rosa DeLauro, D-Conn., in February. DeLauro's husband, Stanley Greenburg, works for Monsanto – the world's leading producer of herbicides and genetically engineered seed.
DeLauro's act has 39 co-sponsors and was referred to the House Agriculture Committee on Feb. 4. It calls for the creation of a Food Safety Administration to allow the government to regulate food production at all levels – and even mandates property seizure, fines of up to $1 million per offense and criminal prosecution for producers, manufacturers and distributors who fail to comply with regulations.
Michael Olson, host of the Food Chain [COLOR=blue ! important][COLOR=blue ! important]radio[/COLOR][/COLOR] show and author of "Metro Farm," told WND the government should focus on regulating food production in countries such as China and Mexico rather than burdening small and organic farmers in the U.S. with overreaching regulations.
"We need somebody to watch over us when we're eating food that comes from thousands and thousands of miles away. We need some help there," he said. "But when food comes from our neighbors or from farmers who we know, we don't need all of those rules. If your neighbor sells you something that is bad and you get sick, you are going to get your hands on that farmer, and that will be the end of it. It regulates itself."
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The legislation would establish the Food Safety Administration within the Department of Health and Human Services "to protect the public health by preventing food-borne illness, ensuring the safety of food, improving [COLOR=blue ! important][COLOR=blue ! important]research[/COLOR][/COLOR] on contaminants leading to food-borne illness, and improving [COLOR=blue ! important][COLOR=blue ! important]security[/COLOR][/COLOR] of food from intentional contamination, and for other purposes."
Federal regulators will be tasked with ensuring that food producers, [COLOR=blue ! important][COLOR=blue ! important]processors[/COLOR][/COLOR] and distributors – both large and small – prevent and minimize food safety hazards such as food-borne illnesses and contaminants such as bacteria, chemicals, natural toxins or manufactured toxicants, viruses, parasites, prions, physical hazards or other human pathogens.


Under the legislation's broad wording, slaughterhouses, [COLOR=blue ! important][COLOR=blue ! important]seafood[/COLOR][/COLOR] processing plants, establishments that process, store, hold or transport all categories of food products prior to delivery for retail sale, farms, ranches, orchards, vineyards, aquaculture facilities and confined animal-feeding operations would be subject to strict government regulation.
Government inspectors would be required to visit and examine food production facilities, including small farms, to ensure compliance. They would review food safety records and conduct surveillance of animals, plants, products or the environment.
"What the government will do is bring in industry experts to tell them how to manage all this stuff," Olson said. "It's industry that's telling government how to set these things up. What it always boils down to is who can afford to have the most influence over the government. It would be those companies that have sufficient economies of scale to be able to afford the influence – which is, of course, industrial agriculture."
Farms and food producers would be forced to submit copies of all records to federal inspectors upon request to determine whether food is contaminated, to ensure they are in compliance with food safety laws and to maintain government tracking records. Refusal to register, permit inspector access or testing of food or equipment would be prohibited.
"What is going to happen is that local agriculture will end up suffering through some onerous protocols designed for international agriculture that they simply don't need," Olson said. "Thus, it will be a way for industrial agriculture to manage local agriculture."
Under the act, every food producer must have a written food safety plan describing likely hazards and preventative controls they have implemented and must abide by "minimum standards related to fertilizer use, nutrients, hygiene, packaging, temperature controls, animal encroachment, and water."
"That opens a whole can of worms," Olson said. "I think that's where people are starting to freak out about losing organic agriculture. Who is going to decide what the minimum standards are for fertilization or anything else? The government is going to bring in big industry and say we are setting up these protocols, so what do you think we should do? Who is it going to bring in to ask? The government will bring in people who have economies of scale who have that kind of influence."
DeLauro's act calls for the Food Safety Administration to create a "national traceability [COLOR=blue ! important][COLOR=blue ! important]system[/COLOR][/COLOR]" to retrieve history, use and location of each food product through all stages of production, processing and distribution.
Olson believes the regulations could create unjustifiable financial hardships for small farmers and run them out of [COLOR=blue ! important][COLOR=blue ! important]business[/COLOR][/COLOR].
"That is often the purpose of rules and regulations: to get rid of your competition," he said. "Only people who are very, very large can afford to comply. They can hire one person to do paperwork. There's a specialization of labor there, and when you are very small, you can't afford to do all of these things."
Olson said despite good intentions behind the legislation, this act could devastate small U.S. farms.
"Every time we pass a rule or a law or a regulation to make the world a better place, it seems like what we do is subsidize production offshore," he said. "We tell farmers they can no longer drive diesel tractors because they make bad smoke. Well, essentially what we're doing is giving China a subsidy to grow our crops for us, or Mexico or anyone else."
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Section 304 of the Food Safety Modernization Act establishes a group of "experts and stakeholders from Federal, State, and local food safety and health agencies, the food industry, consumer organizations, and academia" to make recommendations for improving food-borne illness surveillance.
According to the act, "Any person that commits an act that violates the food safety law … may be assessed a civil penalty by the Administrator of not more than $1,000,000 for each such act."
Each violation and each separate day the producer is in defiance of the law would be considered a separate offense and an additional penalty. The act suggests federal administrators consider the gravity of the violation, the degree of responsibility and the size and type of business when determining penalties.
Criminal sanctions may be imposed if contaminated food causes serious illness or death, and offenders may face fines and imprisonment of up to 10 years.
"It's just frightening what can happen with good intentions," Olson said. "It's probably the most radical notions on the face of this Earth, but local agriculture doesn't need government because it takes care of itself."
Food Safety and Tracking Improvement Act


Another "food safety" bill that has organic and small farmers worried is Senate Bill 425, or the Food Safety and Tracking Improvement Act, sponsored by Sen. Sherrod Brown, D-Ohio.
Brown's bill is backed by lobbyists for Monsanto, Archer Daniels Midland and Tyson. It was introduced in September and has been referred to the Senate Agriculture, Nutrition and Forestry Committee. Some say the legislation could also put small farmers out of business.
Like HR 875, the measure establishes a nationwide "traceability system" monitored by the Food and Drug Administration for all stages of manufacturing, processing, packaging and distribution of food. It would cost $40 million over three years.
"We must ensure that the federal government has the ability and authority to protect the public, given the global nature of the food supply," Brown said when he introduced the bill. He suggested the FDA and USDA have power to declare mandatory recalls.
The government would track food shipped in interstate commerce through a recordkeeping and audit system, a secure, online [COLOR=blue ! important][COLOR=blue ! important]database[/COLOR][/COLOR] or registered identification. Each farmer or producer would be required to maintain records regarding the purchase, sale and identification of their products.
A 13-member advisory committee of food safety and tracking technology experts, representatives of the food industry, consumer advocates and government officials would assist in implementing the traceability system.
The bill calls for the committee to establish a national database or registry operated by the Food and Drug Administration. It also proposes a electronic records database to identify sales of food and its ingredients "establishing that the food and its ingredients were grown, prepared, handled, manufactured, processed, distributed, shipped, warehoused, imported, and conveyed under conditions that ensure the safety of the food."
It states, "The records should include an electronic statement with the date of, and the names and addresses of all parties to, each prior sale, purchase, or trade, and any other information as appropriate."
If government inspectors find that a food item is not in compliance, they may force producers to cease distribution, recall the item or confiscate it.
"If the postal service can track a package from my office in Washington to my office in Cincinnati, we should be able to do the same for food products," Sen. Brown said in a Sept. 4, 2008, statement. "Families that are struggling with the high cost of groceries should not also have to worry about the safety of their food. This legislation gives the government the resources it needs to protect the public."


Recalls of contaminated food are usually voluntary; however, in his weekly radio address on March 15, President Obama announced he's forming a Food Safety Working Group to propose new laws and stop corruption of the nation's food.
The group will review, update and enforce food safety laws, which Obama said "have not been updated since they were written in the time of Teddy Roosevelt."
The president said outbreaks from contaminated foods, such as a recent salmonella outbreak among consumers of peanut products, have occurred more frequently in recent years due to outdated regulations, fewer inspectors, scaled back inspections and a lack of information sharing between government agencies.
"In the end, food safety is something I take seriously, not just as your president but as a parent," Obama said. "No parent should have to worry that their child is going to get sick from their lunch just as no family should have to worry that the medicines they buy will cause them harm."
The blogosphere is buzzing with comments on the legislation, including the following:

  • Obama and his cronies or his puppetmasters are trying to take total control – nationalize everything, disarm the populace, control food, etc. We are seeing the formation of a total police state.

  • Well ... that's not very " green " of Obama. What's his real agenda?

  • This is getting way out of hand! Isn't it enough the FDA already allows poisons in our foods?

  • If you're starving, no number of guns will enable you to stay free. That's the whole idea behind this legislation. He who controls the food really makes the rules.

  • The government is terrified of the tax loss. Imagine all the tax dollars lost if people actually grew their own vegetables! Imagine if people actually coordinated their efforts with family, friends and neighbors. People could be in no time eating for the price of their own effort. ... Oh the horror of it all! The last thing the government wants is for us to be self-sufficient.

  • They want to make you dependent upon government. I say no way! already the government is giving away taxes from my great great grandchildren and now they want to take away my food, my semi-auto rifles, my right to alternative holistic medicine? We need a revolution, sheeple! Wake up! They want fascism ... can you not see that?

  • The screening processes will make it very expensive for smaller farmers, where bigger agriculture corporations can foot the bill.

  • If anything it just increases accountability, which is arguably a good thing. It pretty much says they'll only confiscate your property if there are questions of contamination and you don't comply with their inspections. I think the severity of this has been blown out of proportion by a lot of conjecture.

  • Don't waste your time calling the criminals in D.C. and begging them to act like humans. This will end with a bloody revolt.

 

joepro

Well-Known Member
I have this feeling that TBT is trying to provoke me into being the next tim mcveigh.
 

TheBrutalTruth

Well-Known Member
I have this feeling that TBT is trying to provoke me into being the next tim mcveigh.
No, not at all.

The problem with people like Tim McVeigh is that they fail.

Tim McVeigh was the equivalent of a rain drop. What is needed is a Hurricane to destroy the corrupt parts of the system, and wash them away.
 

shepj

Oracle of Hallucinogens
eh.. watched a video on what Monsanto does to local growers.. it's pretty terrible.
I hope they get fucking nuked.
 

misshestermoffitt

New Member
I want you to check out some books. They're books my daugher read in middle school, but the story line is so good, I read them too.

They're called "The Shadow Children" series. It's about Population police, and government regulated food supplies and a revolution. I think there are 7 books to the series. If it was written for adults, it would be so much better. It's almost like I've been watching these books coming true lately.



They're an easy read, you could easily knock off 3 per day, I think there's 7 in the series. It's what we're headed towards.
 

TheBrutalTruth

Well-Known Member
I want you to check out some books. They're books my daugher read in middle school, but the story line is so good, I read them too.

They're called "The Shadow Children" series. It's about Population police, and government regulated food supplies and a revolution. I think there are 7 books to the series. If it was written for adults, it would be so much better. It's almost like I've been watching these books coming true lately.



They're an easy read, you could easily knock off 3 per day, I think there's 7 in the series. It's what we're headed towards.
If I seem em, I'll check them out.
 

ViRedd

New Member
Part of FDR's policies during his New Deal, was the regulation, and of farm prices. Farmers were actually arrested, jailed, and fined for selling their produce at a price under what was dictated by FDR.

Vi
 

anthony6216

Active Member
Read half of it all I need. Why do u think there building those big seed banks with all seeds in world in it. So they eventually want to control all our food supply :fire:.

Peace and 1love,
anthony
 

ilkhan

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Yep and when we get around to fighting it they have FEMA fun parks to go stay at. For all the people who don't want toeat their GM crap food. Corperations want to Monopolize FOOD OMFG!!
 

shepj

Oracle of Hallucinogens
I didn't read the whole article (skimmed through it later, when I'm feeling better I'll read the whole thing in one sitting).. so sorry if you mentioned this.

Monsanto has patented a shit ton of their crops so that lets say a Monsanto truck drives passed a local farm and the wind blows and the pollen from the Monsanto crops land in a farmers field, it is patent infringement on the farmer and Monsanto can pretty much take their land for it... really pisses me off.
 

misshestermoffitt

New Member
During the great depression, the family with the small farm fared way better than families without a farm.

I need to grow my own food, I'm allergic to some of the chemicals that food, especially produce, is treated with. It's doesn't do me any good to have chemically treated foods, I can't eat them any way.
 

anthony6216

Active Member
During the great depression, the family with the small farm fared way better than families without a farm.

I need to grow my own food, I'm allergic to some of the chemicals that food, especially produce, is treated with. It's doesn't do me any good to have chemically treated foods, I can't eat them any way.
Fuck chemicals and fucked up pesticides :evil:

peace and 1love,
anthony bongsmilie
 

ANC

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You know over in Iraq, that place you gave "freedom" it is now illegal for farmers to save seeds from their harvest for the next season's planting, like they did since the begining of cultivation.
Now, they are forced on threat of imprisonment, to use the Mosanto geneticaly engineered seeds.
Welcome to your future...
 

ANC

Well-Known Member
Also cattle need to be enjected with monsanto hormones and immunisation... so good bye healty milk and beef... to waht extent is this allready happening around you... ever asked?
It is called planetary genocide.
 

misshestermoffitt

New Member
I'm sure to a pretty good extent. I have chemical sensitivity and most foods these days make me have allergic reactions. I can tell in about 2 bites if it's going to be a problem.

I want unaltered food, is that too much to ask ?
 

medicineman

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Also cattle need to be enjected with monsanto hormones and immunisation... so good bye healty milk and beef... to waht extent is this allready happening around you... ever asked?
It is called planetary genocide.
I know, I'm 68 and have arthritus, I realize some of it is from doing hard work all my life, but living in the smog of LA for near 25 years and eating all this toxic food certainly hasn't helped. I'm pretty sure this pain is somewhat induced by my past and present diet, and exposure to all the toxins in the air. Thank God for pain pills. I've been told that MJ is great for relief of arthritic pain, trouble is it just makes me paranoid. I used to smoke a lot, but after having a job that did random tests, I quit. Now it doesn't work for me anymore.
 

joepro

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I know, I'm 68 and have arthritus, I realize some of it is from doing hard work all my life, but living in the smog of LA for near 25 years and eating all this toxic food certainly hasn't helped. I'm pretty sure this pain is somewhat induced by my past and present diet, and exposure to all the toxins in the air. Thank God for pain pills. I've been told that MJ is great for relief of arthritic pain, trouble is it just makes me paranoid. I used to smoke a lot, but after having a job that did random tests, I quit. Now it doesn't work for me anymore.
I hear that ingesting cannabis is the way to go for people with arthritus and doesn't give that paranoid feeling that some get.

lol so what do you do with all that weed you grow???:lol:
(hahaha dont have me chase down some of your q&a's about growing:lol:)
:bigjoint:
 

misshestermoffitt

New Member
I was thinking about trying a wash with clove oil and come canna olive oil, maybe a little horseradish root for heat.

I have trouble with my hands aching all the time, which smoking weed does help somewhat.
 
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