Looking for strains similar to AK-47

Redoctober

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So I'm looking to branch out and try something new, but honestly I feel like AK-47 might be one of the most perfect strains ever created and I almost feel like anything else I try won't compare. It is insanely fast!!! I've had AK's finish in 5-6 weeks. It's quite potent, has a great, pungent, almost, but not quite diesel smell to it when cured. And it is a fairly decent yielder for how quickly it finishes. I haven't tried AK-48 yet but I will.

So are there any other strains out there that overall can hold a candle to AK-47 in terms of quickness, yield, aroma, and potencey? I'm sure there must be with the explosion of breeders and genetics in the past few years. I'd be very glad to hear anyone's recommendations.
 
Try further hybrids of ak-47 since you like it alot. Ones I have tried and loved white russian and the chronic.
 
I've had my eye on that White Russian for some time now, always wanted to give it a whirl :) Is it a relatively quick finisher?
 
jack herrer is damn good I haven't grown it yet though but sensi seeds has it listed 50-70 days and heavy yield the bag I bought was damn good I'd say probally the best weed I've had. but then again I haven't tried ak-47 but I know you get a pheno like I had you won't be dissapointed.

I'd go through seedboutique.com for them their the cheapest place I've seen even for ak-47 pretty much all the older dutch companies are cheaper their.

I'm sure there must be with the explosion of breeders and genetics in the past few years. I'd be very glad to hear anyone's recommendations.

explosion of breeders yes but genetics not so much basically all the new breeders are making polyhybrids and s1's or crossing to clone only's so basically their just crossing and recrossing shit thats already out. only way to get new genetics is from landrace strains and creating true breeding strains which only a few breeders do.
 
I've had my eye on that White Russian for some time now, always wanted to give it a whirl :) Is it a relatively quick finisher?

Not as fast as the ak-47. Most of my previous white russians ran on average of a flowering time of 62 days.
 
jack herrer is damn good I haven't grown it yet though but sensi seeds has it listed 50-70 days and heavy yield the bag I bought was damn good I'd say probally the best weed I've had. but then again I haven't tried ak-47 but I know you get a pheno like I had you won't be dissapointed.

I'd go through seedboutique.com for them their the cheapest place I've seen even for ak-47 pretty much all the older dutch companies are cheaper their.

explosion of breeders yes but genetics not so much basically all the new breeders are making polyhybrids and s1's or crossing to clone only's so basically their just crossing and recrossing shit thats already out. only way to get new genetics is from landrace strains and creating true breeding strains which only a few breeders do.

I've always heard good things about jack herrer. I didn't know it was a fast finisher. I've only ever seen jack that was grown outdoors so the quality was pretty good but not like indoor. I wouldn't mind doing an aeroponic run of jack to see how it turns out.

I'd like to get more educated on the genetics side of things. What are "landrace" and "true breeding" strains? I haven't heard those terms before. I wish RIU had a breeding and genetics sub-forum category.
 
I've always heard good things about jack herrer. I didn't know it was a fast finisher. I've only ever seen jack that was grown outdoors so the quality was pretty good but not like indoor. I wouldn't mind doing an aeroponic run of jack to see how it turns out.

I'd like to get more educated on the genetics side of things. What are "landrace" and "true breeding" strains? I haven't heard those terms before. I wish RIU had a breeding and genetics sub-forum category.

There is a breeding sub-forum here.

Making this as simple as I can, true-breeding refers to a line bred to itself for enough generations that all the plants from the line have similar characteristics. A good analogy is to a pure-bred dog (ie all German Shepherds will have certain characteristics, all poodles, etc). Cross any two true-breeding plants from the same line, and the offspring should all be similar to the parents. Once upon a time, one major goal of breeding was to create good true-breeding lines, but as mentioned above, that seems to have fallen somewhat out of favor now.

Landrace refers to a true breeding line that was grown outdoors in one particular location for many many generations. By definition, not only are these lines true-breeding, but they're also highly acclimated to the specific location in which they are grown. Examples of landraces would include Panama Red, Acapulco Gold, and other "name" strains. With globalization, war on drugs, etc, many of these landraces have been severely curtailed in growth, or even completely lost. All of the current "name" strains can traces their genetic lineages back to various lines that were once the best of the global landraces (eg Thai, Columbian, Mexican, etc).
 
jack herer is damn good
i was inclined to name some more sativa leaning strains like herer myself, haze x skunk in particular as it's super potent & long lasting with a mildly trippy motivational buzz that never gets more stony than lead eye, but it finishes in 12 weeks and the fastest herer hybrids i've seen take at least 9 weeks with the purer ones being more in the 10-12 week range. sensi seeds' version is considered one of the best in the world, but sannies' jack f7 is highly respected and les than 1/4 the price. i can't wait to try it myself as i fuhreekin' LOVE jack's cleaner 2! it's a "slow" 9 week strain, but it's buzz beats the shit out of ANY bud i've paid for since the 80s.

if you REALLY want to try something "different" OP, try growing at least a couple 9 week plus strains as that's where you'll get much more quality in a high. JC2 has a really unique buzz. it starts out hitting you with a warm and euphoric body thumping stone, but still functional, but the real special treatrs are that it has a "touchy feely" effect i've only experienced in yucky diesel tasting onyx and even cooler, real trippy visuals. i started getting into massaging my arms and chest on it because it just felt so good, aided by the warm feeling body stone and started laughing my ass off once i realized the imaginary invisible ripples of tie dye color emanating from where i was rubbing was a visual effect, and the strongest one i've had since columbian gold in the mid 80s.

there's some compensation for growing slower strains too. where 400 gm2 is considered a decent cash crapping yield, many slower strains can yield up to 750 gm2 making them competitive for the extra time needed. you have to give a little love to the gift to get the really good stuff. using halides instead of cash crapping sodiums helps too as full spectrum light allows better pheno expression and possibly better THC profiles too, especially in sativas. the obsession with yield only is what drives the quality of buds on the street down so much compared to old school weed.

back to HQS haze x skunk, 12 weeks & $28, it was the first thing that popped in my mind when AK-47 was mentioned as i like to call it an AK-47 for getting high. it's a little rough around the edges, particularly in that cigar wrapper flavor i don't like, but it gets you high as a mofo and if you don't respect it's limits, it will give you a room spinning dizzy beatdown like i got a mild dose of the 1st time i blazed a top and got so excited i kept going with bigger hits. columbian is even trippier, but also has a stone that creeps in if you blaze all day and eventually turns pure stony after a month so you need to take a break where haze skunk just keeps getting you high and even builds up in your system for a 24/7 permabuzz. i lost 10+ pounds on it in just a month by ignoring hunger pangs and keeping occupied with whatever as well as kicked my 6 pack of red dog a night habit cold turkey on it. my priority is ALWAYS quality first as columbian spoiled me forever. had i started out on any of today's stony crap, i never would have blazed a second time and it instantly pissed me off the 1st time i scored 2 big buds of "skunk & red hair" for the $8 i had in my pocket that never got me high no matter how many hits i took.

for faster gear, apollo 11 finishes in 55 days tops along with his racier and less psychoactive mom cinderella 99 (a lot of jack herer in those too) but i think bodhi & mosca are still out of the game with those. TGA has an apollo 13 that finishes quick though along with the third dimension, though that one is hermie prone i think, but it's his fastest finisher.

if you want "top potency", sannie's (almost universally accepted as havinng top quality genetics) heroauna is one of the most potent stoner strains in the world. in just re-reading cannabible 1-3, the author claimed it was more potent than 50% hash. i could see that happening, it isn't just the size of the resin glands that makes potency, but the THC profile within. today's brainwashed sheep would laugh at a popcorn sized bud of generic piney pale green fluffy columbian bud with it's peach fuzz resin glands whining it has no "bag appeal" (BS cash crapper PROPAGANDA to get you to stop concentrating on THE BUZZ) until they blaze 4 quick big one hitters and get the room spinning dizzies in a trippy paranoid panic attack and start crying for their mommies.

if you can wait a "whopping 63 days", jack's cleaner 2 has serious quality going on, and jack the ripper (oh i do so despise that name!) is supposed to be even trippier and more haze dominant, but also a 9 week strain.

"good things come to those who wait" is my weed mantra. the quality at 9 weeks plus can be awesome. sweet haze is way awesome! it too takes 9 weeks, but gives you sticky ass, sweet extra fruity buds with great euphoria and a twist of real trippiness most watered down generic hazes just don't have from the ones i've tried so far, but it is a stretchy plant that probably yields lower too, but OMG is it fucking tasty and fun to blaze! it has *cringe* actual bag appeal. LOL

back to AK-47...
if you like that, see if you can find black russian. it's the cherry pheno of AK-47 crossed with blackberry. the author of cannabible really liked that.
 
There is a breeding sub-forum here. Making this as simple as I can, true-breeding refers to a line bred to itself for enough generations that all the plants from the line have similar characteristics. A good analogy is to a pure-bred dog (ie all German Shepherds will have certain characteristics, all poodles, etc). Cross any two true-breeding plants from the same line, and the offspring should all be similar to the parents. Once upon a time, one major goal of breeding was to create good true-breeding lines, but as mentioned above, that seems to have fallen somewhat out of favor now. Landrace refers to a true breeding line that was grown outdoors in one particular location for many many generations. By definition, not only are these lines true-breeding, but they're also highly acclimated to the specific location in which they are grown. Examples of landraces would include Panama Red, Acapulco Gold, and other "name" strains. With globalization, war on drugs, etc, many of these landraces have been severely curtailed in growth, or even completely lost. All of the current "name" strains can traces their genetic lineages back to various lines that were once the best of the global landraces (eg Thai, Columbian, Mexican, etc).
Thank you Jogro! That was a very clear, concise explanation. So as it stands, when you cross two strains of most of the seeds available nowadays, you will wind up with a range of phenotypes. Some offspring will be short, some tall, some spindly some bushy, some will have different smelling buds and so on. This variation disqualifies the parents from being true breeding strains. Is that correct?

AK-47 does not seem like a true breeding strain by that criteria. I don't know AK's lineage though.
 
each breeder is going to have slightly different AK-47s.

regarding breeding.. the SIMPLE definition i memorized in the 80s is...

if you have a stabilized strain (aka an IBL which stands for in-bred line and NOT in-bred land race as some have said), you will have the least pheno variation.

when you cross two unrelated strains, you will get a potency boost called "hybrid vigor" and generally offspring that are roughly in between the two parents with daughters favoring mother traits and the same with fathers and sons with more pheno variation than a stabilized strain. you REALLY see the widest pheno expression when you back cross your f1 hybrids to each other. then you see a full range of offspring with different and random amounts of the original parents traits.

to stabilize a strain (or more) out of those offspring, you select plants with the most desirable traits as well as test your males and create TWO separate lines aiming for the same traits. after 3, i think, maybe 2, maybe 4 generations of repeating the section process, you'll get predictable "true breeding" offspring. you'll also lose the hybrid vigor you started out with and if you keep doing it, you'll get "bottlenecked" genetics and your quality will start to plummet from too much inbreeding. whatever the correct generation is, that's when you re-introduce your two separate line and have a true breeding stabilized strain.

if you want to get a strain that's most like one of the original parents, you back cross the offspring to that same parent. then, your f2s will be 75% of the original parent as you f1s will be 50:50, and your f3s will be 87.5% and i think f4 at 93.75% is about as much as you'd want to BX to an original as that will induce bottlenecking and genetic waning too.

bottlenecking is why you see breeders add outside genetics to an old strain to re-invigorate it. to much inbreeeding results in bad mutations as has happened in royal families.

that's the simplified version of breeding and stabilization. it can get REALLY technical too though.
 
Thank you hazey grapes for your wonderfully descriptive recommendations. I have plenty of long finishing strains that I quite enjoy, I'm just looking for something a bit less time intensive at the moment. What impressed me about AK-47 was that for it's speed, it was surprisingly potent. I'm not exactly sure what the correlation between speed and potency is (I'm sure there is a loose one) but at the end of the day, there are also some long finishing strains that aren't particularly potent as well. The Black Russian sounds interesting. Black Domina is supposedly awesome and fast, so if that's it's pedigree, it is right up my alley.

You mentioned Sannie's herijuana which is one I've had my eye on for some time now. People seem to have widely varying reports on how fast it finishes, but people seem to agree that it is quite strong.

A few others I'd love to try are Sour Grapes (but it's always out of stock), blockhead, boss hog and NY47

Great White Shark is supposedly a fast finisher but I've read mixed reviews on it. Anyone have any experience with that one?
 
i don't think speed of finishing has much to do with potency as it does THC profiles. the faster a strain finishes, the more it will give way to stony afghani dominant stony canniboids while the longer finishing strains will be trippier and/or more energetic. NOTHING i've ever blazed is as just try and sit still on it racy as 17 weeks plus kali mist just as nothing i've blazed yet is as trippy as columbian gold was except possibly 9 weeks finishing jack's cleaner 2, but that comes with an added stone penalty.

the bottom line is you just can't get a potent motivational AND trippy buzz that rivals a landrace in a short time. C99 is motivational and fast finishing, but not trippy. i like to think of it as god's way of saying "thou shalt not take shorts with my gift beotch!" LOL you can get nice gear quick, but not true connoisseur grade. you've gotta pick your priorities. if getting stoned is a priority, then quick potency is easy... AK-47 has been bred with even faster finishing lowryders for 14-20" AK47s that are probably weaker in comparison to the real deal. AK47 can get pretty tall & take some time itself as it has sativa phenos.
 
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