Looking for Some Organic Options

Herb & Suds said:

Flush lol

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Herb & Suds said:

Flush lol

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Newcangro said:

Flushing doesn't do anything at the end beside remove all the food your plants need to finish strong. Feed right up until the very end.

As far as your ratios for your soil I will let someone with more experience chime in on that. But I'm thinking you need more than rock dust and kelp but I could be wrong. Head over to the organics category, you should be able to find a good mix in there

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EvansInUK said:

I don't get whats funny, I presumed (YOU ARE UNABLE TO FLUSH) with nutrients actually in the soil, hence my question would there be a build up of nutrients or salts.. or does that only occur with chemical nutrients... I didn;t think flush would be possible, hence why i asked would it be an issue

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EvansInUK said:

I don't get whats funny, I presumed (YOU ARE UNABLE TO FLUSH) with nutrients actually in the soil, hence my question would there be a build up of nutrients or salts.. or does that only occur with chemical nutrients... I didn;t think flush would be possible, hence why i asked would it be an issue

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jondamon said:

The thing is that flushing is always a hot topic here.

those that have grown this plant for a while know that it’s not possible to remove nutrients from a plant.

Others here believe in allowing your plant to ripen and then use some plain water for the last couple of days only after the plant is ripe and ready.

Some never reduce their nutrients while others taper their nutrients down towards the end of flower

Trying to flush organics is a bit of faux par, as you supply organic compounds to the soil for the micro herd to convert into usable ionic compounds for uptake.

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DancesWithWeeds said:

This is a rather large batch, proportionate mix if you want less. It is expensive but it will last MMJ users a long time. They say the soil last thru several grows, just add a little more SS nutes. They didn’t say how much to add for the next grow so I just add half a portion. That’s what the out door plants are in now.

14 bags of potting soil (I use Roots Organic)
25 pounds worm castings minimum
5 pounds blood meal
5 pounds feather meal
5 pounds bat guano
2.5 pounds bone meal
2.5 pounds fish bone meal
3 cups oyster shell
5 pounds kelp meal (recipe calls 3 cups)
2 cups aziomite (shouldn’t cut this short)
3/4 cup epson salt
2 tablespoons mycorrhiza

Store what you don’t use in baggies in a warm place.

this is honestly the best soil I’ve ever used. -

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calvin.m16 said:

I just used M3 Mix (Michigan Made Mix) with plain water for the first 2 months then started feeding Green Planet Medi-One (organic) and Budswel (organic) and had great results just very expensive to grow with those products at even a modest scale.

Keep it simple, the more shit you add the more you will question what worked and what didn't, what caused an issue and what didn't etc..

Also, most organic "dry amendments" are in raw form they haven't been broken down yet, that can sometimes take months for certain ones to actually be plant available. If you're not mixing dry amendments into the soil during transplant then I dont think its very useful. "top dressing" never worked for me when I used to grow in soil. Plants would show deficiencies before the top dress kicked in.

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Gaia Green Kelp Meal (1-0-2)

Discover the Gaia Green Kelp Meal 1-0-2GAIA GREEN Kelp Meal is a rich source of plant nutrients. Particularly high in potassium, Kelp Meal adds organic matter to the soil to enhance plant nutrition and improve resistance to abiotic stress. Due to the slow breakdown of kelp meal over time...

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4 pounds Organic Rock Phosphate Fertilizer Soft Rock for soil garden compost | eBay

Powder rock phosphate and very small granular mixed together. Available Phosphate. .3%. Total Phosphate..20%. Derived from mined Soft Rock Phosphate.

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calvin.m16 said:

I just used M3 Mix (Michigan Made Mix) with plain water for the first 2 months then started feeding Green Planet Medi-One (organic) and Budswel (organic) and had great results just very expensive to grow with those products at even a modest scale.

Keep it simple, the more shit you add the more you will question what worked and what didn't, what caused an issue and what didn't etc..

Also, most organic "dry amendments" are in raw form they haven't been broken down yet, that can sometimes take months for certain ones to actually be plant available. If you're not mixing dry amendments into the soil during transplant then I dont think its very useful. "top dressing" never worked for me when I used to grow in soil. Plants would show deficiencies before the top dress kicked in.

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EvansInUK said:

how would you suggest I go about it then; this is what I was looking at;

an Organic Compost - with added biochar

Gaia Green Kelp Meal (1-0-2)

Discover the Gaia Green Kelp Meal 1-0-2GAIA GREEN Kelp Meal is a rich source of plant nutrients. Particularly high in potassium, Kelp Meal adds organic matter to the soil to enhance plant nutrition and improve resistance to abiotic stress. Due to the slow breakdown of kelp meal over time...

canadagrowsupplies.com

4 pounds Organic Rock Phosphate Fertilizer Soft Rock for soil garden compost | eBay

Powder rock phosphate and very small granular mixed together. Available Phosphate. .3%. Total Phosphate..20%. Derived from mined Soft Rock Phosphate.

www.ebay.co.uk

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/354152723136?hash=item527525b2c0:g:abAAAOSwfUdixuFw&amdata=enc:AQAHAAAA4Dv7fdyFo0EOeZDnvm/zwahuMcaYVkfmC6jOfFLPYfEpTDg/hCNDdZWYHTod+mJ4AdOxymzfpgDKyAoh/ycEjolJ/ZOnVKEVkW5+efMUW57+QqZr2mwJj/TyiyIwE+Ci1vZk+OWR1xNVJBCBjU2FMvuB2+mq8SI18xw2ufyEjgnrot1tTUfToHydNh2+2i7EyRHKVbXGoEWjW/nbe+qfzbWCA7BMVhnbJuK2M5WkHcsk18p57CC06/0Tw2GWbHc8rx5pmnUigCzBwnDLFnTCS99HqA62d07hv/z3Rp6lnDTe|tkp:BFBM2ufphcZg u got this
and work castings

I am assuming their "Dry" Amendments right? Also the compost would be the main base to go directly into; so are those above useless?

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calvin.m16 said:

Right from their website: "GAIA GREEN Kelp Meal is a rich source of plant nutrients. Particularly high in potassium, Kelp Meal adds organic matter to the soil to enhance plant nutrition and improve resistance to abiotic stress. Due to the slow breakdown of kelp meal over time, benefits may be observed for years after the initial application. This product can be used on home gardens, landscapes, lawn, and turf, and is suitable for a full range of plant types."

Those "meals" are more for garden beds and stuff that is going to be around a while, for potted plants it is not very useful as your putting something that has to break down sometimes over months to actually provide usable chemicals for the plant.

Dry Amendments, especially Gaia Green seem to really be popular after all the YouTubers started pushing it, they're all sponsored and get free product to tell people to buy it and use it. Your plants will be better off with it, but likely your not getting the full potential of the product or your plants using it in a potted style where your not re-using the soil like in a garden bed or living soil etc..

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I'd recommend looking into things like organic fish based fertilizers, guanos and stuff that the plants can immediately start getting food from where the breakdown is already done. You also will need much less of it since the plants will take it up right away as needed vs gradually get little tastes of it from the meals breaking down from microbiology etc.

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EvansInUK said:

how would you suggest I go about it then; this is what I was looking at;

an Organic Compost - with added biochar

Gaia Green Kelp Meal (1-0-2)

Discover the Gaia Green Kelp Meal 1-0-2GAIA GREEN Kelp Meal is a rich source of plant nutrients. Particularly high in potassium, Kelp Meal adds organic matter to the soil to enhance plant nutrition and improve resistance to abiotic stress. Due to the slow breakdown of kelp meal over time...

canadagrowsupplies.com

4 pounds Organic Rock Phosphate Fertilizer Soft Rock for soil garden compost | eBay

Powder rock phosphate and very small granular mixed together. Available Phosphate. .3%. Total Phosphate..20%. Derived from mined Soft Rock Phosphate.

www.ebay.co.uk

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/354152723136?hash=item527525b2c0:g:abAAAOSwfUdixuFw&amdata=enc:AQAHAAAA4Dv7fdyFo0EOeZDnvm/zwahuMcaYVkfmC6jOfFLPYfEpTDg/hCNDdZWYHTod+mJ4AdOxymzfpgDKyAoh/ycEjolJ/ZOnVKEVkW5+efMUW57+QqZr2mwJj/TyiyIwE+Ci1vZk+OWR1xNVJBCBjU2FMvuB2+mq8SI18xw2ufyEjgnrot1tTUfToHydNh2+2i7EyRHKVbXGoEWjW/nbe+qfzbWCA7BMVhnbJuK2M5WkHcsk18p57CC06/0Tw2GWbHc8rx5pmnUigCzBwnDLFnTCS99HqA62d07hv/z3Rp6lnDTe|tkp:BFBM2ufphcZg u got this
and work castings

I am assuming their "Dry" Amendments right? Also the compost would be the main base to go directly into; so are those above useless?

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calvin.m16 said:

Right from their website: "GAIA GREEN Kelp Meal is a rich source of plant nutrients. Particularly high in potassium, Kelp Meal adds organic matter to the soil to enhance plant nutrition and improve resistance to abiotic stress. Due to the slow breakdown of kelp meal over time, benefits may be observed for years after the initial application. This product can be used on home gardens, landscapes, lawn, and turf, and is suitable for a full range of plant types."

Those "meals" are more for garden beds and stuff that is going to be around a while, for potted plants it is not very useful as your putting something that has to break down sometimes over months to actually provide usable chemicals for the plant.

Dry Amendments, especially Gaia Green seem to really be popular after all the YouTubers started pushing it, they're all sponsored and get free product to tell people to buy it and use it. Your plants will be better off with it, but likely your not getting the full potential of the product or your plants using it in a potted style where your not re-using the soil like in a garden bed or living soil etc..

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yeah kelp seems to take about 4 months to break down, thought I seen it go quicker; but here is what a site says about the ebay stuff...

A Kelp meal fertilizer
When you see Kelp meal, that means kelp algae that has been ground down into a mulch ready for direct use. Kelp meal can be applied directly to the soil or root bed of a plant.
The kelp meal application rate is around one pound (1 lb.) of kelp meal for an average of 100 sq. ft. of soil. It will begin releasing nutrients after around four months, so should generally be applied early.
Meal like this is high in trace minerals, but low in NPK (nitrate-phosphate-potassium,) meaning that kelp meal should generally be used alongside a high quality fertilizer.
Out of all varieties of kelp, meal is likely to contain the lowest levels of active ingredients. You may also find that there can be other organic material in the meal.
Kelp Powder
Powdered kelp is meal that has been reduced further, to the point that it is small enough to be used in solution or mixed directly into existing fertilizer treatments.
Kelp powder can be used similarly to kelp meal, but is also suitable for spraying directly onto plants in order to aid fruiting and flowering.


The nutrients in kelp powder are immediately bioavailable. This makes kelp powder more suited for plants which have been recently planted or are currently growing.
It should be used in a concentration of around ½ a teaspoon per gallon of water, and is safe to be used with fertilizer injectors or existing irrigation systems.

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EvansInUK said:

Well that's some list. What is the mix ratio of all of them, is that one GIANT mix??? if so holy crap! lol Azomite I believe I have heard of. But man, I would need to break this down lol into smaller ratios like 1/4. HAHA but this is What I am looking for

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