Long term storage in vacuum sealed jars, should I use humidipaks?

BigB 420

Well-Known Member
Hi guys.

I'm planning to put one year worth of daily smoke into long term storage once I finish my current outdoor harvest.

I plant to fill up a bunch of mason jars with about 2oz each and then vacuum seal them with a foodsaver once they're fully cured. They jars will be opened and smoked as needed over the next 12 months. So some jars will be sealed for only a few months before they get smoked. Some will remain sealed for 10-12 months.

My question is, should I put humidipaks in the jars if they're going to be sealed up for that long?

Or would it be safer to just add a humidipak to the jar a few days before it will be smoked to rehydrate it a bit?

I don't want them to dry out and turn brown, but obviously I don't want mold either.

Thanks.
 

Thriceeee

Member
As I've seen it all falls into your drying before hand.
If you dry your weed properly I don't see why a humidipack wont work.
 

thecoolman

New Member
USA emergency supplies- get the reusable zip lock heat sealable (easy with iron) mylar bags
Works much better! These are different than others and the best you could keep it for years!
i find humidipacs are to much humidity (62) percent I take it down to 58 works great smoke ready
smells awesome! What about oxygen absorbers? maybe to much moisture=
botulism though never tried them.
 

smokegreenshlt

Well-Known Member
I've heard of people freezing after cured then drenching it and letting it dry again before consumption....I have no idea why or recommend it....but it worked for that harry hippy I once knew....lol
 

JBiggs

Active Member
I'm highly interested in this as well. I've been playing around with this for over a year.

I haven't really found any concrete answers, but I have been doing some testing and so far, I'm pleased.

I think this will work, if it's done properly....but that's the big question tho: What's proper?

Not sure if this is the "right" way or not, but here's what I've been doing.

I've got a vacuum sealer that works with mason jars. I loosely pack some product in the jars after they've been cured and dried, then vacuum seal them and then I've set them aside for a increasing amounts of time. So far, the longest has been about 8 months or so, but I didn't track the date, so it's at best an arms length estimate of time. When I opened that one up, it was just fine. No visible signs of any degradation, or mold/mildew (at least not that I could tell with a 60x loupe). It smoked just as good as it was fresh, but I didn't have anything to compare it to at the time. I couldn't tell it from any other, though. Seemed perfectly fine.

So, that set me off on a quest. This time I was more "scientific" in my approach.

What I did for this test was to track the date of packing. 7 months and 19 days ago, I sealed a good bit up. My plan is to take it to at least 18 months, perhaps two years. I put a note on my calendar 18 months out to remind me. I can't actually see it in the jar, though, as I protected it from light this time. I put it in the basement where it won't be disturbed and it will remain relatively cool year round. I don't have a lot of moisture in my basement, so I thought that was a good place to put it and forget it.

To block the light out, I took a standard mason jars and cleaned it really good, then used some flat black spray paint and paint the OUTSIDE of the jar, NOT the inside. I used masking tape to protect the screw part of the jar, where the ring will hold the lid down, so that it has a good surface to hold on to.

I let that dry for a few days. I then ran it through the dishwasher, then hand wash it again to make sure there's no soapy reside on the inside nor any paint smell. I let that dry completely, then packed it loosely full with about an inch of space from the top of the jar. I put the lid on it, and vacuumed out the jar as I would normally do. Actually the machine will run until it can't vacuum any more out, then shuts off and it's sealed tight. You have to use the edge of a knife to open the lid from the vacuumed jar, so it's a good seal. I put the band on it nice and snug, then put the jar away and forgot about it until I saw your post and I looked at my calendar to see when I stored it.

You might think "why go to all this trouble?" Well, I'm somewhat a casual smoker. I may only smoke two times a week, four at most. I grow one plant that provides me more than I can smoke in a year, and don't want to let it go bad on the shelf. So my plans would be (if this works) to grow it, then portion it out in a month or so quantities, and seal them up. I'll have a jar for each month, or perhaps each season, and I'll just use it like that. I figure as I get to the last few months, i'll start a grow again, and repeat the process.

If anyone knows of a reason why this won't work, I'd LOVE to hear from you on your thought
 

EZmooover

Active Member
If your jars have airtight seals and include humidipacks, then what is the point of vacuum sealing them in bags?
 

supchaka

Well-Known Member
A mason jar can hold bud for a year without any additional wizardry. Being dried and cured right in the first place is the key. If you suck at that, then yer gonna have issues trying to make it a year.
 

BigB 420

Well-Known Member
I'm highly interested in this as well. I've been playing around with this for over a year.

I haven't really found any concrete answers, but I have been doing some testing and so far, I'm pleased.

I think this will work, if it's done properly....but that's the big question tho: What's proper?

Not sure if this is the "right" way or not, but here's what I've been doing.

I've got a vacuum sealer that works with mason jars. I loosely pack some product in the jars after they've been cured and dried, then vacuum seal them and then I've set them aside for a increasing amounts of time. So far, the longest has been about 8 months or so, but I didn't track the date, so it's at best an arms length estimate of time. When I opened that one up, it was just fine. No visible signs of any degradation, or mold/mildew (at least not that I could tell with a 60x loupe). It smoked just as good as it was fresh, but I didn't have anything to compare it to at the time. I couldn't tell it from any other, though. Seemed perfectly fine.

So, that set me off on a quest. This time I was more "scientific" in my approach.

What I did for this test was to track the date of packing. 7 months and 19 days ago, I sealed a good bit up. My plan is to take it to at least 18 months, perhaps two years. I put a note on my calendar 18 months out to remind me. I can't actually see it in the jar, though, as I protected it from light this time. I put it in the basement where it won't be disturbed and it will remain relatively cool year round. I don't have a lot of moisture in my basement, so I thought that was a good place to put it and forget it.

To block the light out, I took a standard mason jars and cleaned it really good, then used some flat black spray paint and paint the OUTSIDE of the jar, NOT the inside. I used masking tape to protect the screw part of the jar, where the ring will hold the lid down, so that it has a good surface to hold on to.

I let that dry for a few days. I then ran it through the dishwasher, then hand wash it again to make sure there's no soapy reside on the inside nor any paint smell. I let that dry completely, then packed it loosely full with about an inch of space from the top of the jar. I put the lid on it, and vacuumed out the jar as I would normally do. Actually the machine will run until it can't vacuum any more out, then shuts off and it's sealed tight. You have to use the edge of a knife to open the lid from the vacuumed jar, so it's a good seal. I put the band on it nice and snug, then put the jar away and forgot about it until I saw your post and I looked at my calendar to see when I stored it.

You might think "why go to all this trouble?" Well, I'm somewhat a casual smoker. I may only smoke two times a week, four at most. I grow one plant that provides me more than I can smoke in a year, and don't want to let it go bad on the shelf. So my plans would be (if this works) to grow it, then portion it out in a month or so quantities, and seal them up. I'll have a jar for each month, or perhaps each season, and I'll just use it like that. I figure as I get to the last few months, i'll start a grow again, and repeat the process.

If anyone knows of a reason why this won't work, I'd LOVE to hear from you on your thought
Good info thanks. I have kept stuff in jars for about 10 months without a vacuum seal or a humidipak and it was still pretty darn good. The buds were maybe a tad dry and slightly brownish but they still smelled good and still got you nice and high.

In just trying to improve on what I did last year.

Maybe I'll try some with humidipaks and some without.

To block light I usually just keep the jars in a closet or cabinet.
 

BigB 420

Well-Known Member
A mason jar can hold bud for a year without any additional wizardry. Being dried and cured right in the first place is the key. If you suck at that, then yer gonna have issues trying to make it a year.
This is what I did last year. Just dried, cured, burped for about a month, and then packed them away in a cabinet. They did fine. The oldest jar I opened around 10 months, it was a little dry and a little brownish but still decent. I'm just trying to improve my method and want to make sure I have decent product until my 2014 crop comes in.
 

EZmooover

Active Member
The foodsaver has an attachment to suck the air out of the jar itself.
Then the humidipacks would be completely ineffective. No air = no humidity.

ETA: basically, it's an either/or proposition. Either use the humidipacks or vacuum seal. But not both...
 

BigB 420

Well-Known Member
Then the humidipacks would be completely ineffective. No air = no humidity.

ETA: basically, it's an either/or proposition. Either use the humidipacks or vacuum seal. But not both...
Ok thanks. That makes sense to me. I think I will do some humidipaks for the cure and short term storage jars (ie: the jar we are smoking out of) and ill vacuum seal the long term stuff. When I open an old jar I'll toss a humidipak in it to moisten it back up while we smoke on it.

Thanks to everyone to replied.
 

JonnyAppleSeed420

New Member
We have found a sure fire way of fresh bud years later. After your cure, if you cure, dry the product out almost completely. leave in out for a good couple of days. Pack it carefully into a zip-loc freezer bag then with a straw remove as much air without crushing the dried bud. Now place that into a vacuum sealed bag and seal it up. This will not crush now because of the sealed bag. Place into your freezer. I have seen 4 year old pounds that taste like yesterdays harvest, well no....but dam close! When you decide to open a bag do it carefully and put it in a Rubbermaid with a hand full of fresh leaf. Check it daily till it reaches your preferred moisture level and your done. This was shown to me from an older gent that I have the pleasure of working on his garden and set up. JAS
 

PurpleBuz

Well-Known Member
Hi guys.
I'm planning to put one year worth of daily smoke into long term storage once I finish my current outdoor harvest.
Some will remain sealed for 10-12 months.
My question is, should I put humidipaks in the jars if they're going to be sealed up for that long?
Thanks.

Assuming you have them dried to the perfect moisture level and properly cured, and you are going to "Seal" them then no hunidipaks are not neccessary. the whole idea of the humidipaks is that they act as a safe moisture buffer. absorb exces moisture when RH is high and release moisture when the RH is low. Very usefull in final stages of curing to maintane a steady RH. But once its done and you "SEAL" it from the external enivronment its not needed.

On the other hand do you really think thats gonna last you a year ?
 

thecoolman

New Member
Ok thanks. That makes sense to me. I think I will do some humidipaks for the cure and short term storage jars (ie: the jar we are smoking out of) and ill vacuum seal the long term stuff. When I open an old jar I'll toss a humidipak in it to moisten it back up while we smoke on it.

Thanks to everyone to replied.
I have to disagree with this one the packs will work fine. If there was no humidity
the buds would completely dry out and they don't. secondly a vacuum lowers the boiling or vaporization point so the humidipac should release fine maybe better. If its sealed well though why the need for a humidi pac? Just my thoughts.
3rd I guarentee a food saver does not put out a very high vacume (perfect vacuum) about -29.97 inches
 

BigB 420

Well-Known Member
Good info. Thanks guys. I'll keep all of this in mind when I start jarring everything up. I might just have to try a few different methods and see what I like best.
 

DemonTrich

Well-Known Member
I have 10 1/2 gallon mason jars vac sealed with the wide mouth mason jar adaptor and a mityvac vac tool. I also have the 62% brovida(sp) packs inside as well. my meds were properly dried and cured for 4 weeks before vac sealing. after reading above, I might remove the 62% packs.
 

SimonD

Well-Known Member
The foodsaver has an attachment to suck the air out of the jar itself.
In a sense, air is the fuel for the cure. Sucking it out slows down the process quite a bit.

If the product is at its proper humidity and the storage container is airtight, such as a well-sealed mason jar, a humidity pack is not necessary. At all.

Simon
 
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