Lockdowns don't work.

abandonconflict

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We all believed the CCP when they said that lockdowns would stop SARS-CoV-2 from spreading, since it worked so well for them. But what if it didn't really work as well as they said it did? Furthermore, even if it did work, what if it wasn't even necessary? It doesn't work though.
Sweden said it didn't need a lockdown because people could be trusted to socially distance themselves. The government still says the strategy is working.
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Sweden said it didn't need a lockdown because people could be trusted to socially distance themselves. The government still says the strategy is working.

Sweden's Parliament is preparing in case it needs to introduce more restrictions, but for now the government is defending its unusual strategy.
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HONG KONG – As the coronavirus pandemic sparks global lockdowns, life has continued comparatively unhindered in places like Taiwan, South Korea and Hong Kong after their governments and citizens took decisive early action against the unfolding crisis.

At first glance, Taiwan looks like an ideal candidate for the coronavirus. The island of 23 million lies just 180 kilometers (110 miles) off mainland China.

Yet nearly 100 days in, Taiwan has just 376 confirmed cases and five fatalities while restaurants, bars, schools, universities and offices remain open.
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abandonconflict

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Seeing as how the overwhelmingly vast majority of kids don't even develop symptoms and only in extremely rare cases do kids under 15 ever go critical, catching the disease is almost as safe for them as most vaccines.

Just open the schools, let the people who recovered get back to work and quarantine the old folks until the treatments and vaccines are proven. I'm not really sorry to say it, but a lot of the crusty olds would rather just die in peace than in solitude. Sedentary life isn't exactly death, but it is one of the most unhealthy lifestyles. Fuck this lockdown. You can't have any kind of healthcare system with no economy.
 
doublejj

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Projected number of COVID-19 deaths significantly decrease for California

California has been nationally recognized for its quick response to the outbreak, quickly implementing shelter in place and social distancing orders.
If people continue to follow orders, we can see the number of cases and deaths projected continue to decline.
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Projected number of COVID-19 deaths significantly decrease for California, US

A recent model released by the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation at the University of Washington projects the number of COVID-19 cases and deaths throughout the United States.
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abandonconflict

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doublejj said:
Projected number of COVID-19 deaths significantly decrease for California

California has been nationally recognized for its quick response to the outbreak, quickly implementing shelter in place and social distancing orders.
If people continue to follow orders, we can see the number of cases and deaths projected continue to decline.
www.kron4.com

Projected number of COVID-19 deaths significantly decrease for California, US

A recent model released by the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation at the University of Washington projects the number of COVID-19 cases and deaths throughout the United States.
www.kron4.com www.kron4.com
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There were also restrictions on travel into California early on. It's also a highly educated population on average and people respect social distancing on their own. Completely locking everything down is not necessarily doing much more than slightly lowering the R0, but at what cost?

I'm from Cali. I know that most of the people who go back and forth from Mainland China to California regularly go to San Fransisco but they have been unable to do so since early february. That's why the curve has already flattenned there. Not because of the lockdowns.

The lockdowns started in NY in early March. Numbers still haven't peaked and the incubation period is shorter than that. They were still flying into NY from Europe even more recently than that.
 
doublejj

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California’s coronavirus death toll is way below New York’s. Here’s why

California’s relatively quick action to close businesses and order residents to stay home has tamped down the coronavirus pandemic and left many hospitals largely empty, waiting for a surge that has yet to come.
The initial success of the unprecedented shutdown of schools, businesses and other institutions has pleased experts and public health officials, prompting calls to keep the restrictions in place, at least into May, to help cement the progress.
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California's coronavirus death toll is way below New York's. Here's why

The death rate in the Golden State has flattened, for now. Early social distancing and the state's car-centric sprawl may have helped.
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abandonconflict

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Unclebaldrick said:
Sorry, I disagree with the policy. You simply can't quarantine all those at high risk. You would be sacrificing them.
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And yet they're not really being saved by it, and they're often against the lockdowns. New York is a ghost town and has been since early March. Numbers since then have fucking snowballed.
 
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“If we had not sheltered in place, if New Orleans had a lower level of positives (that wouldn’t have alerted officials), then the cat would have gotten out of the bag,” O-Neal said. “It’s not like we’re a good spot. … But the ‘stay in place’ slows it down, not just for Baton Rouge but for Bunkie, Eunice and Ville Platte.”
Baton Rouge and Acadiana will still get hit hard by the community spread of the novel coronavirus, but Louisiana will be spared the most intense infection rates New Orleans experienced in March largely because people are staying home from work, an analysis of the commuter figures indicate.
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How big of a factor were commuters in spreading coronavirus in Louisiana?

Baton Rouge and Acadiana will still get hit hard by the community spread of the novel coronavirus, but Louisiana will be spared the most intense infection rates New Orleans experienced
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abandonconflict

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doublejj said:
“If we had not sheltered in place, if New Orleans had a lower level of positives (that wouldn’t have alerted officials), then the cat would have gotten out of the bag,” O-Neal said. “It’s not like we’re a good spot. … But the ‘stay in place’ slows it down, not just for Baton Rouge but for Bunkie, Eunice and Ville Platte.”
Baton Rouge and Acadiana will still get hit hard by the community spread of the novel coronavirus, but Louisiana will be spared the most intense infection rates New Orleans experienced in March largely because people are staying home from work, an analysis of the commuter figures indicate.
www.theadvocate.com

How big of a factor were commuters in spreading coronavirus in Louisiana?

Baton Rouge and Acadiana will still get hit hard by the community spread of the novel coronavirus, but Louisiana will be spared the most intense infection rates New Orleans experienced
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Nobody is saying you can't shelter in place and hunker the fuck down. Lock yourself in and dig a foxhole, bro.
 
abandonconflict

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doublejj said:
everybody knows it safer....well almost everybody :roll:
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But it's not. I honestly can't see any benefit for me. I would very much rather catch it, be sick as fuck for a few weeks and not see anyone, and then have antibodies. Same for my infant son. Same for my wife. I have work to do environmentally. It's important and I'm not saying people can't lock themselves in. Forcing everyone in because they don't know how to keep from spreading is killing the global economy.
 
abandonconflict

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Also, New Orleans had tens of thousands of international travelers celebrating Mardi Gras. A lockdown after that is just punishment. It's not sustainable.
 
abandonconflict

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doublejj said:
the statistics all say the lock down saves lives..... more important than rich guys loosing money...
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No, they don't and it's not just rich guys losing money. People are starving. All other medical priorities have been rescinded and that causes deaths too.

The statistics don't say that the lockdown is saving lives. They don't say that at all.
 
abandonconflict

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doublejj said:
Wash your hands, stay home, and plant a victory garden.....
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There's a nuance to what I'm saying.

Exploding case numbers correlate with two things and neither is about whether or not cities have implemented house arrest orders. The exploding case numbers correlate first with how many people were going in and out of those cities and from where and from when and secondly, with testing.

Lockdowns have a very slight effect on the R0 of SARS-CoV-2 that is extremely difficult to prove. The cost of that very slight R0 adjustment is too high. It's starvation, a loss of other medical services and unsustainable social unrest and economic apocalypse. To say that lockdowns are saving lives is completely wrong, especially since you can still isolate yourself with no lockdown.

Then you add in the element of herd immunity arising from recoveries. It's a nuanced argument, try to follow.
 
doublejj

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abandonconflict said:
There's a nuance to what I'm saying.

Exploding case numbers correlate with two things and neither is about whether or not cities have implemented house arrest orders. The exploding case numbers correlate first with how many people were going in and out of those cities and from where and from when and secondly, with testing.

Lockdowns have a very slight effect on the R0 of SARS-CoV-2 that is extremely difficult to prove. The cost of that very slight R0 adjustment is too high. It's starvation, a loss of other medical services and unsustainable social unrest and economic apocalypse. To say that lockdowns are saving lives is completely wrong, especially since you can still isolate yourself with no lockdown.

Then you add in the element of herd immunity arising from recoveries. It's a nuanced argument, try to follow.
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so more people will die and that's a sacrifice your willing to make, i get it. but I'm no Kamikaze, I'm not willing to die for dear leader.
 
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