Living Organics *Ofiicial Thread*

FR33MASON

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What? why wouldn't it happen on land too. that doesn't make sense. Please clarify and help me understand (and avoid another fish water incedent) I learned as a kid that lightning brings/releases nitrogen into the air/rain. thats why nothing makes your lawn greener than real rain



from:http://users.rcn.com/jkimball.ma.ultranet/BiologyPages/N/NitrogenCycle.html

The nitrogen molecule (N[SUB]2[/SUB]) is quite inert. To break it apart so that its atoms can combine with other atoms requires the input of substantial amounts of energy.
Three processes are responsible for most of the nitrogen fixation in the biosphere:
  • atmospheric fixation by lightning
  • biological fixation by certain microbes — alone or in a symbiotic relationship with some plants and animals
  • industrial fixation
Atmospheric Fixation

The enormous energy of lightning breaks nitrogen molecules and enables their atoms to combine with oxygen in the air forming nitrogen oxides. These dissolve in rain, forming nitrates, that are carried to the earth.
Atmospheric nitrogen fixation probably contributes some 5– 8% of the total nitrogen fixed.
What i am reffering to is microbial decomposition/ fixation which occurs both in the atmosphere (water) and substrate in aquatic environments.
On land it is primarily in the substrate (dirt).
 

FR33MASON

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Also I wanted to say that if there is enough ammonia in the fish water to be detremental to your grow, you will know it because your fish will be long dead before that level is acheived. Otherwise ammonia is nothing but food for nitrifying bacteria. A healthy aquarium will have a similar sweet, earthy smell as good compost does. Any slough like smells are indicative to anerobic environments or a mass amount of decaying, organic matter that is releasing a large amount of ammonia and other organic compounds such as sulphides, nitrite, methane, etc. Using your sense of smell can be a good, minimally invasive test to check the health of composting materials, aquariums, terarriums, etc.
"The nose knows" as the old saying goes.
 

foreverflyhi

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Nice! on the nitrogen covo

I kept asking myself why does the rev add soo much high nitrogen to his mix as oppose to high phosphorous?

He stresses that nitrogen is a key element for microbe activity and helps break down everything down much quicker for the plant to feed. He also gets into more detail about recycling your soil, and why nitrogen plays a big role in this, nitrogen plays a huge role in TLO due to its sustainability and consistency in a long run.
 
Nice! on the nitrogen covo

I kept asking myself why does the rev add soo much high nitrogen to his mix as oppose to high phosphorous?

He stresses that nitrogen is a key element for microbe activity and helps break down everything down much quicker for the plant to feed. He also gets into more detail about recycling your soil, and why nitrogen plays a big role in this, nitrogen plays a huge role in TLO due to its sustainability and consistency in a long run.
The rev (:spew:) is referring to a Nitrogen:Carbon ratio for the decompossion of organic matter. This is a fundamental of composting, not so much soil decomposition. He doesn't have a carobon source such as biochar, I can't believe this guy makes millions off of a book full of bullshit :wall:
 

foreverflyhi

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The rev (:spew:) is referring to a Nitrogen:Carbon ratio for the decompossion of organic matter. This is a fundamental of composting, not so much soil decomposition. He doesn't have a carobon source such as biochar, I can't believe this guy makes millions off of a book full of bullshit :wall:

....... I think u should write a book with all your knowledge, instead your here giving out your only two cents, Put them two pennies back in your pocket, ur going to need them
 
....... I think u should write a book with all your knowledge, instead your here giving out your only two cents, Put them two pennies back in your pocket, ur going to need them
Who the fuck are you again? Why do you get butt hurt any time someone says the Rev is wrong?

Consult my post a couple pages back where I provide an Ohio State Univerisity report on exactly what we're talking about.

Have fun growing with your LED's, lol.
 

FR33MASON

Active Member
The rev (:spew:) is referring to a Nitrogen:Carbon ratio for the decompossion of organic matter. This is a fundamental of composting, not so much soil decomposition. He doesn't have a carobon source such as biochar, I can't believe this guy makes millions off of a book full of bullshit :wall:
If memory serves me correct, all organic matter here on this planet is carbon based so is it not inevitable that you would get carbon from decomposition?
 
If memory serves me correct, all organic matter here on this planet is carbon based so is it not inevitable that you would get carbon from decomposition?
Yes, organic matter contains carbon and thus anything containg carbon is considered organic by many. You bring up an excellent point, this is why in compost piles people have traditionally balanced browns and greens. The rev is failing to supply enough organic material (carbon) to support his nitrogen claims, I used biochar as an example because it's high carbon due to its manufacturing method (If memory serves me correctly! either way, its a boat load o' carbon).

This nugs in your profile look delicious man
 

FR33MASON

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Yes, organic matter contains carbon and thus anything containg carbon is considered organic by many. You bring up an excellent point, this is why in compost piles people have traditionally balanced browns and greens. The rev is failing to supply enough organic material (carbon) to support his nitrogen claims, I used biochar as an example because it's high carbon due to its manufacturing method (If memory serves me correctly! either way, its a boat load o' carbon).

This nugs in your profile look delicious man
My dad used to get char from sawmills and spread it over our fields and the garden.

Thanks! Those buds were Berry Bomb and yes, they were deelish! About a month after that pic was taken, I fell through a commercial roof straight down to the ground, just over 20'. Needless to say I buggered myself pretty good with a crushed wrist and a burst L1. I am back in action now like never happened but I lost all my mothers in the process of recovery. R.I.P. B.B....LOL! cest la vie!
 

FR33MASON

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I must be part cat because I have used up literally 7 lives now.

I think I already have found one...90% sure until I try some. It is a Blueberry var. that was supposed to be a Black Russian U.F.O. from the 'tude but they are free for a reason. I have grown out B.C. Blueberry and this is a pretty close match both in structure and in wonderous fashion, the smell. Here is a couple of shots:




The cola on the right is slightly larger than a pop can and solid and as you can see pretty nice trich development from that lower bud shot.
She stands at 4' from the top of the pot and I figure she will produce just over 2 ounces when it's all said and done. All from a 430w hps, and 3 gal. of living soil and aquarium water (80% aquarium, 20% municipal water). That is all I have done.
The tips are browning now because the relative humidity in my area is only 17% and the tent is 38% at best. It normally is not too bad but an artic high has pushed in and down goes the humidity. Another 10 to 14 days and this and 4 Vortex are coming down. To help assist in finishing off, I begin to allow the soil to dry out a bit more than usual and this begins to slow the organic processes. I think it helps trigger the plant to finish off much like the dry times of late season growing out in the wild is associated with.
 

Kalyx

Active Member
I am transplanting a kataract kush and a d-line into 5 gallon TLO smart pots. My first TLO round. I have some supersoil also and enjoy water only living soil methods so far. I'm busy so not dosing soups is nice!
 
I am transplanting a kataract kush and a d-line into 5 gallon TLO smart pots. My first TLO round. I have some supersoil also and enjoy water only living soil methods so far. I'm busy so not dosing soups is nice!
It's about the only way to maintain a garden AND a career, lol. Don't know what I'd do without TLO
 

Kalyx

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The spikes: (5 gallon smart pots with TLO layers and zones with 2.1 mix) 3+ weeks of veg to get BIG by flip

Kataract Kush - 1 N Spike, 1 Flower Spike, 2 Flower Power, 2 Pure Power (2" manure layer)

D-Line/Chocolope - 1 N Spike, 1 Flower Spike, 2 Sativa Spikes, 2 Exotic Landrace Spikes (1" manure layer)

I got behind and the plants were in 2 gallons for a long time. They are enjoying their transplant so far, just got moved into more lumens too. Just harvested a supersoil and a veganic OG kush. Next round I will try all my OG phenos TLO and compare to what I just trimmed (if any makes it that long, I LOVE OGs!):joint:
 

Justin5737

Member
Hey guys thanks for all the great info, just started getting into organics was using the go line (not true organics). Ive had this soil mix cooking for 3 weeks now can you give me any feedback?

Promix bx 3.5 cuft
1 cup blood meal
1 cup kelp meal
1 cup alfalfa meal
1 cup dolomite lime (not powder looks like pebbles)
1 cup azomite
1/2 cup humic acid
1 cup dr. Earth compost starter
1 cup steamed bone meal
12 cups ewc
Large perlite 30% of mix
And a couple scoops of great white

Any tips or tea/top dressing schedules would be highly appreciated. Thanks in advance!
 

HiloReign

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Hey guys thanks for all the great info, just started getting into organics was using the go line (not true organics). Ive had this soil mix cooking for 3 weeks now can you give me any feedback?

Promix bx 3.5 cuft
1 cup blood meal
1 cup kelp meal
1 cup alfalfa meal
1 cup dolomite lime (not powder looks like pebbles)
1 cup azomite
1/2 cup humic acid
1 cup dr. Earth compost starter
1 cup steamed bone meal
12 cups ewc
Large perlite 30% of mix
And a couple scoops of great white

Any tips or tea/top dressing schedules would be highly appreciated. Thanks in advance!
I'd suggest putting plants in there! And more great white when you add said plants...

If you're unsure of the mix being completely composted, give it another week.
 
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