List of Things Christianity Has Made Worse

blazinkill504 said:

because you speak for the scientific community? aa is very logical and if you dont see it youre blind

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you should understand something the history channel isnt to be trusted

while i am not an offical spoke person in any way shape or form for the scientific community i am more than confident on this issue to say NO THEY DO NOT BELIEVE IN ANCIENT ALIENS

Hepheastus420 said:

What makes budhists less wrong than other religions?

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Their religion is less.involved in the end game, and their basic premises ring inarguably true to me (those premises being life is pain, pain is caused by desire, if a person can limit their desire they can limit their pain and ultimately letting go is the path to painlessness.

Also, they are great because the way I see them treat people makes me want to be like them, as opposed to judeo christian themed religio.s which make me feel arogant (to be honest) because I see so much behavior as despiseable.

They have never wrung my doorbell and given me a pamphlet

And they dont tell you that you are wrong, (usually), they just feel they are correct. That is refreshingly enlightened.

The buddhists have the best parts of all the religion without, from what I have witnessed, all the bullshit. Look at thailand, one of the most buddhist countries in the world. Soooooooo chill. They also have like the largest amount of transgenders. They accept it, disagree, but accept it and are cool with it. Such great people. On the other hand, christians are so crass.

ginjawarrior said:

ad hom? strawman?
heis spoke in a rational way without attacks and in a very clear manner if you were unable to take meaning from it thats not any ones fault apart from your own


oh and im not american

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who's strawman? Is that me? Didnt someone call me that earlier? Or is this a handle I havent seen?

Ancient aliens is not science.

Bullshit like that perpetuates the ignorant pseudoscience movement.

The entire series is them basically saying "there's no way this could have happened unless aliens did it!" without presenting any evidence to suggest that's what happened. Does anyone else notice the similarities between that and religion?

sen.c said:

Here we go again, all your big words and grandious lecturing but still nothing. There are very valid and provable things that science has given us and there some very stupid thigs that they expect us to believe as well. There has been plenty of substance to my past criticism but it always ends up instead of you saying "hey you may have a point there" you would rather explain it off as someone is not educated enough to understand or it is not a fair question.

It really amazes me that you and the like are so against anything that could be construed as "Christian" that you would rather make up new ideas and theories than delve into the possibility that maybe you are looking in the wrong direction. It really could be dangerous to have so much contempt for something you know nothing about.

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I am not going to dumb down my words to please you. Why do you resent big words? This is not the first time you have complained about my articulation, are you lacking actual valid criticism of me? Do you have trouble understanding what I am saying? If not, then shut up about the words I use. Speaking on the side of reason and rationality is not lecturing, it is explaining. You make a lot of statements that are not well thought out, I am simply thinking them through and asking questions. And as for providing nothing, should I link to the standard theories of evolution and physics? Are these not things you can find on your own? What is it you expect me to provide that would be ground breaking for you? I would ask specifically what you think is wrong with these theories, but we have been down that road before, and the answer is simply that you do not understand them. That is not to say you are not educated enough to understand them, but that you are too lazy and biased. I do not doubt your intellect, just your integrity. Science never asks anyone to believe something without providing extensive data and rationale. Do not pretend as if science does a pretty good job most of the time but occasionally tries to slip in deceit. Science is transparent, forthright and begs for criticism and correction. Evolution and the big bang are supported because they are the most likely to be true. The only problem with these theories that you have successfully demonstrated is that they conflict with the way you want things to be.

Padawanbater2 said:

Ancient aliens is not science.

Bullshit like that perpetuates the ignorant pseudoscience movement.

The entire series is them basically saying "there's no way this could have happened unless aliens did it!" without presenting any evidence to suggest that's what happened. Does anyone else notice the similarities between that and religion?

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In Sen's little song and dance, this is known as a key change. I can't attack real science so let me switch to Mr Strawman.

Padawanbater2 said:

Ancient aliens is not science.

Bullshit like that perpetuates the ignorant pseudoscience movement.

The entire series is them basically saying "there's no way this could have happened unless aliens did it!" without presenting any evidence to suggest that's what happened. Does anyone else notice the similarities between that and religion?

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im pretty sure every claim they make is explained and why they came to that conclusion. now is everything they say true? i dont think so, but i mean some of the shit cannot be explained like the platform in balbac or the churches in lalibela...how about the group of ppl that went out to graph one of the unchartered places in russia all of a sudden are dead half of them in 10 days aged at a crazy rate and 3 of the others were imploded from the inside and their skin was fully intact...how the fuck does science explain that? hypothermia? lmao please dude

blazinkill504 said:

im pretty sure every claim they make is explained and why they came to that conclusion. now is everything they say true? i dont think so, but i mean some of the shit cannot be explained like the platform in balbac or the churches in lalibela...how about the group of ppl that went out to graph one of the unchartered places in russia all of a sudden are dead half of them in 10 days aged at a crazy rate and 3 of the others were imploded from the inside and their skin was fully intact...how the fuck does science explain that? hypothermia? lmao please dude

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have you a link or source or even episode of any of those "facts"?

again history channel is not a good source of anything "factual"

blazinkill504 said:

because you speak for the scientific community? aa is very logical and if you dont see it youre blind

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It is, however, not rational enough. Imo "ancient aliens" ideas can be divided into three camps or groupings:
1) "wouldn't it be cool if ..." or "I want to believe this."
2) "The following facts and factoids can be reconciled with ancient aliens, and I choose to advance 'plausible' to 'done deal'." or "I'm going to believe this."
3) "I've lined all my hats with conductive materials. Now that I've foiled (uuhh...) the great mind control conspiracy, it's amazing how much more clearly I think now than everone around me!" or "Can you believe this!"

There isn't a single "ancient aliens" claim that hasn't (to my knowledge) been reduced to mincemeat by qualified investigators, including but not limited to scientists. It's as dodgy ... and yet as popular ... as the "current aliens" meme in all its varicolored glorious goofy manifestations. cn

Filthy Phil said:

who's strawman? Is that me? Didnt someone call me that earlier? Or is this a handle I havent seen?

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strawman

lol everytime i come back on this thread,theirs 100 more comments,how'd the hell we end up talking about aliens?the only aliens i believe in are illegal ones lol

blazinkill504 said:

im pretty sure every claim they make is explained and why they came to that conclusion. now is everything they say true? i dont think so, but i mean some of the shit cannot be explained like the platform in balbac or the churches in lalibela...how about the group of ppl that went out to graph one of the unchartered places in russia all of a sudden are dead half of them in 10 days aged at a crazy rate and 3 of the others were imploded from the inside and their skin was fully intact...how the fuck does science explain that? hypothermia? lmao please dude

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How do you go from "cannot be explained" to "...aliens!"?

Padawanbater2 said:

Ancient aliens is not science.

Bullshit like that perpetuates the ignorant pseudoscience movement.

The entire series is them basically saying "there's no way this could have happened unless aliens did it!" without presenting any evidence to suggest that's what happened. Does anyone else notice the similarities between that and religion?

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Yes. The elimination "of all percievable" explanation leads them to make an assumption. The problem is what they find to be percievable is not all that is

ginjawarrior said:

have you a link or source or even episode of any of those "facts"?

again history channel is not a good source of anything "factual"

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links comin this one starts 10:03 into the vid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTYE0aU3xeI
hmmmm hypothermia? i fuckin doubt that

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElsLeeC6thE
this one has lalibela and balbec(sp) in this one.

after i watched those in my head i dont need any evidence besides what i see. what i see is two cases where amazin shit has been built...one in which we still cant recreate which is balbec...and no kinda way to explain them. you're tellin me our ancestors were makin shit that we would have trouble makin today if we even could....with sharpened rocks at that lol. im open for any explination to these and if im proven wrong ill be the first to say hey i was fuckin wrong you were right.

cannabineer said:

It is, however, not rational enough. Imo "ancient aliens" ideas can be divided into three camps or groupings:
1) "wouldn't it be cool if ..." or "I want to believe this."
2) "The following facts and factoids can be reconciled with ancient aliens, and I choose to advance 'plausible' to 'done deal'." or "I'm going to believe this."
3) "I've lined all my hats with conductive materials. Now that I've foiled (uuhh...) the great mind control conspiracy, it's amazing how much more clearly I think now than everone around me!" or "Can you believe this!"

There isn't a single "ancient aliens" claim that hasn't (to my knowledge) been reduced to mincemeat by qualified investigators, including but not limited to scientists. It's as dodgy ... and yet as popular ... as the "current aliens" meme in all its varicolored glorious goofy manifestations. cn

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watch those videos aswell and then tell me its bullshit. never once have i wanted to believe that aliens were the reason why we thought we had gods and all that, not once.

Padawanbater2 said:

How do you go from "cannot be explained" to "...aliens!"?

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ok well how do you explain the parts of our ancestors pasts that cannot be explained by normal methods? in my head there is 3 options 1.aliens 2.gods 3.our ancestors were very fuckin crafty...alot more than we are today. what other options are there?

olylifter420 said:

I believe in God, but i do not consider my belief to be supreme over all other religions. Everyone is a person with their own mind and with the ability to think for themselves and choose what they see fit. I am no one to tell you or anyone else what to think or what to believe in. That is where a lot of these atheists are wrong, they think since we believe in God, everything else is no good. i am not that way and think many others are not either.

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i dont believe this either.i was just using it as an example,for instance like the christians and atheists on this thread,each side thinks they're 100% correct and other sides full of s***.i can tolerate other religons,like buddhism ,muzlims,even Satanist(at least they believe in my God)i tolerated Atheism until i came upon this antichristian thread lol.the lesson on this thread is as long as you dont believe in ancient earth aliens,your not a total dipshit lmao.i remember i hada smoke sess. with my friend,and he was telling me all this FAR OUT shit like ancient aliens fused their DNA with the DNA of primeapes,and thus we were created...I TOLD HIM NO MORE GREEN FOR HIM xp LOL

blazinkill504 said:

links comin this one starts 10:03 into the vid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTYE0aU3xeI
hmmmm hypothermia? i fuckin doubt that

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElsLeeC6thE
this one has lalibela and balbec(sp) in this one.

after i watched those in my head i dont need any evidence besides what i see. what i see is two cases where amazin shit has been built...one in which we still cant recreate which is balbec...and no kinda way to explain them. you're tellin me our ancestors were makin shit that we would have trouble makin today if we even could....with sharpened rocks at that lol. im open for any explination to these and if im proven wrong ill be the first to say hey i was fuckin wrong you were right.





watch those videos aswell and then tell me its bullshit. never once have i wanted to believe that aliens were the reason why we thought we had gods and all that, not once.

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I endured that first video. It's complete bullshit imo.
There was a long segment about the Japanese suicide forest, with highfalutin terms like Ancient Alien Theorists™ (insert facepalm here) and a veritable phalanx of would, could, maybe, how about, what if. At one point one of these Theorists™ mentioned electromagnetic energy. Oh good, I thought; at least this can be measured. No maps, no numbers, no further explanation. I would imagine that if anything WAS there to measure, they'd have shown data and done a victory dance.
The second segment stinks of hoax. There is no chain of evidence linking any of those corpse photos to the described incident. I think the whole story is a put-on, without any fact to support it. Can we as Westerners even verify the occurrence and membership of the alleged expedition?

So yes; I call bullshit. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and a clip from a series of fiction dressed up as serious inquiry into reality doesn't begin to satisfy me. I find it significant that the Urals incident occurred in post-Stalin Russia, where the evidence can and routinely was made to disappear.

After the simply awful investigative standards displayed by that first segment (complete with eerie evocative music and new-school machine-gun video editing!) I'll say I won't pay attention unless higher-quality info that has been through peer review (by scientists, not Theorists™) can be produced.

Humans have this amazingly strong and resilient capacity for superstition and spirit-power ideation. All it takes ime to believe in magic is to want to believe, and our hard-wiring handles the rest. Nature however is indifferent to our wishful stories of spirit and powerThere is some ancient tug deep in my mind-meat that wants to trust the bringers of tales of magic ... however My experience has taught me consistently that this trust is not the friend of reason. cn

skunkpunk13 said:

and another thing...... how would jebus feel about ur drug use let alone the other members of ur churrch?????? cough cough hypocrit after all isnt ur body a insterment of jesus and how can u correctly spread the "scripture of christ" on a head full of mushrooms....... seems more like a scape goat and a convenient way to attemp to make ur life have some sort of meaning thru out ur boring menial life of judging and hating oh yeah and i love the fact that when u get into a argument about how ridiculous Christianity is and how there beliefs are so misconstrued 99% of them react with anger tisk tisk jesus frowns upon that

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as a christian i do believe that jesus consumed cannabis. not smoke but what do you think was in everones bread and meals? its on the spice rack bro! its gunna get used

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blazinkill504 said:

ok well how do you explain the parts of our ancestors pasts that cannot be explained by normal methods? in my head there is 3 options 1.aliens 2.gods 3.our ancestors were very fuckin crafty...alot more than we are today. what other options are there?

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How do I explain the unexplainable parts of our ancestors past? If I could do that, it wouldn't be unexplainable, right?

There are bound to be undocumented events in the past, they didn't record everything. What I keep trying to point out to you though is that you are simply being led to a conclusion based on assumptions. I watch ancient aliens all the time, whenever i catch it on, and it pisses me off to no end! Pay attention to the commentary, they simply ask questions without providing answers, just like they do with paranormal shows, and have nothing to connect 'pyramids' to 'aliens'. Nothing.

It is exponentially more likely that humans created these monuments and we haven't figured out exactly how than an alien race traversed light years of deep space and (insert any ancient aliens theory here).

it is a type of fallacy in an argument

Filthy Phil said:

who's strawman? Is that me? Didnt someone call me that earlier? Or is this a handle I havent seen?

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