Hepheastus420
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It's like I'm in my house (not bothering anyone), some people start shit talking about Christians in front of my house (this thread), I come out and say fuck off.
But you guys are the instigators. Do you not see that?
List of Things Christianity Has Made Worse
- Thread starter Filthy Phil
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But you guys are the instigators. Do you not see that?
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
If you accept that all mammals follow the same evolutionary rules, look at what we have done with the wolf in ten thousand years. Corgis. Bassets. Borzois. Mastiffs. All from the same basic toolkit (wolf genome) using the same method (phenotype selection, the mechanism of natural selection) steered by artificial means (directed breeding). Giraffes evolved from other antelopes by an undirected breeding program ... the long-necked ones could graze more from trees.
Most assuredly. One of the reasons the creationist community dislikes Richard Dawkins is because he worked on just that question, with positive result.
By asking the "firsthand" part, I am no longer convinced that the question is serious. Obviously to claim so is ridiculous.
Evolutionary paleontologists and astrophysicists cannot perform lab experiments on Burgess fauna or star formation. However the things that they did learn, they arrived at by following deductive chains. There isn't time or room here for me to hold forth about deductive reasoning and the premises used to formulate Big Bang cosmology. If you read an astrophysics text it will probably list the observed evidence, and the history of theory grappling with that evidence, to show that the occurrence of the Big Bang is essentially fact. cn
No. There have been many claims, but none, not one, have stood the test of scrutiny. Can science disprove the existence of ghosts? No. But no good, durable candidates for any sort of spirit-sction in the natural world have been found to date ... but many many fraudulent attempts.
Imagine, deliriate, misinterpret, just plain fabricate ... The human mind is springloaded to think magically. That does not make magic true.
People who are psychologically OK are still quite prone to superstition. It's a part of human nature, but the strong feeling that there "is something to this" is not a reasonable stance, however compelling it feels.
As for the dead, how do you know they are obsessed with anything? There is not one single reliable case of reliable information coming from the dead ... but many many fraudulent claims, some of them sophisticated. cn
Hepheastus420
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I accept the possibility of evolution since there's undeniable evidence.
massah
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Then you question your faith in the bible
Filthy Phil
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Thank you for taking the time to write all that out, that was awesome!
eye exaggerate
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...well, what I am trying to say when I write about controlling ones mind is with respect to adverse thought. When I say 'most potent creative energy known to man' I mean his means to procreate (male and female). With it comes a whole slew of negative ('demonic', or inverse) trains of thought that leads one AWAY from progressing. No one that I know or have known says to keep the curiosity to a minimum. The devil is us, all of us. The ignorance is in not accepting that - imHo
massah
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So when I knocked up my wife I was spreading the seed of satan?
eye exaggerate
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YES, kinda. Now we're headed down the lux path. Need to go?
Filthy Phil
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Thank you heph, you are building points for yourself in my opinion, I am begining to appreciate your....paradigm view of the world. However, the whole judeao christian establishment disagrees with you on the "undeniable evidence " part. Hence one of our complaints for the list. Your veiws are seeming more and more interesting, however, they arent really congrous with the predominant views of the church
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Fixed it for ya, lol
Two observations.
1) You're messy at it.
2) Nice sheets!
~giggling, ducking~ cn
massah
Well-Known Member
I need to spread some more seed...time for a divorce I think...
Basshead
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I don't care much for alot of things. but i don't go around antagonizing in an active manner. just do your thing man, don't worry about things inside of other people's heads. if a christian interferes with your life in a negative way, handle the individual. putting down an entire religion is just ineffective. i realize i cannot be the thought police, and definitely not one to define your freedom of expression. so i will state the obvious : feel free to post whatever you want - whenever you want. but as a fellow member who has to cooperate in the board with you - please be thoughtful of the christians who aren't going around acting fucking stupid. if i see someone dissing stoners, i will be the one defending stoners - while acknowledging there are millions of dumb stoners, just not ALL of them....As a Bible Thumper I'm supposed to respect my elders and love all of my family. Unfortunately as the individual in this body that can't happen. I won't start a whole thread about dysfunctional families because RIU isn't where it belongs. I will say that Mary Jane has helped where love could not....
The only religion i won't care about antagonizing is the corporate hollywood cult one. Scientology is not my cup of tea. I lived in Clearwater for a few years and labelled it psychoville. Every chance i get, i bash Largo Florida - actively - because the city(i worked for the city) fucked me over.
I will say that the store simplyhydro is awesome, and so is the headshop near it : High tide. that is all though. the rest of the whole city could get hit by a hurricane and this Christian right here would have a frown - that was upside down.
eye exaggerate
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...polarity bear strikes again
eye exaggerate
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...ouch, I've had that thought a few times. Bad news all around.
mindphuk
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Eye witness accounts is some of the least reliable evidence that can be used. Our senses are fooled all of the time. What we see and hear go through various filters in our brains that attempt to make sense based on certain preconceptions. This is why optical illusions work so well and magicians are able to bypass sensory information in order to make you see what they want and miss important clues as to how the trick is done.
That you put so much emphasis on eye witness is the reason you don't understand the scientific method and that you are so easily duped into believing an event over 2000 years ago actually occurred if only because some people claimed to witness it (hearsay is even less reliable).
eye exaggerate
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As a Bible Thumper I'm supposed to respect my elders and love all of my family. Unfortunately as the individual in this body that can't happen. I won't start a whole thread about dysfunctional families because RIU isn't where it belongs. I will say that Mary Jane has helped where love could not....
The only religion i won't care about antagonizing is the corporate hollywood cult one. Scientology is not my cup of tea. I lived in Clearwater for a few years and labelled it psychoville. Every chance i get, i bash Largo Florida - actively - because the city(i worked for the city) fucked me over.
I will say that the store simplyhydro is awesome, and so is the headshop near it : High tide. that is all though. the rest of the whole city could get hit by a hurricane and this Christian right here would have a frown - that was upside down.
...nicely done.
massah
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LOL I had a coworker tell me yesterday he thinks aliens came here thousands of years ago and built things like the Pyramids in Egypt and that they are what people are actually worshiping throughout history...*cringe*
As a Bible Thumper I'm supposed to respect my elders and love all of my family. Unfortunately as the individual in this body that can't happen. I won't start a whole thread about dysfunctional families because RIU isn't where it belongs. I will say that Mary Jane has helped where love could not....
The only religion i won't care about antagonizing is the corporate hollywood cult one. Scientology is not my cup of tea. I lived in Clearwater for a few years and labelled it psychoville. Every chance i get, i bash Largo Florida - actively - because the city(i worked for the city) fucked me over.
I will say that the store simplyhydro is awesome, and so is the headshop near it : High tide. that is all though. the rest of the whole city could get hit by a hurricane and this Christian right here would have a frown - that was upside down.
Basshead
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Crazy...UFO religions. I am a fan of funkadelic for fun....but Scientology, the Nation of Islam....Heaven's Gate (which had leutenant Uhura from star trek's brother) - all that stuff is...uh...not my religion....alot of people know the NOI is racist, but alot don't know its a UFO religion too
ziggittyzag420
Active Member
Hmm interesting,you certianly do make a point,however,im still convinced the paranormal exist,u cant just pass it off as magic or fraud,they're far too many cases.As for Evolution,lol,Cannabineers response rips a huge rift in my thinking...but im still remaining faithful to GOD,i like to believe in a little magic and spirits and what not,i do alot of psychadelics,and when i do those things i feel closer to GOD,rip a few notes on my guitar,and just feel good about myself,happy:}.Its better to think of life as a constant struggle between good and evil, rather than (atheist)your born,live your life,die(than absolutely nothing after,your being,your thoughts,your spirit,just disappears)
Filthy Phil
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Ahhhh, we're getting better here, me likes. The big question then becomes, what is progressing? No one says to keep curiosity to a minimum, but they do say, often idirectly of course, that true understanding can become a rationalization for evil. For example, there was a certain baby born premature, sickly, very likely to die with a mother who had a history of unsuccessful pregnancies. Our ethics say a doctor saving such baby is a good thing. A true understanding of all events associated with it, which is impossible to have at the time, might say otherwise. Pragmatically speaking though it could be the best thing to just let the baby die. If we did that, let the baby die, people would certainly say its an entirely horrible thing. However a true understanding might rationalize away the evilness. Knowing that said baby would later grow up to write a.book detailing "his struggle" and eventually instigating a system of facism that ended up killing scores of millions of europeans and defaming germany for generations to come. I know the hitler example is played out, but it brings a point to my statement about the assumption of true understanding being a rationalization for evil. If you desire, apply the previous patern to stem cell research and christians.
I suppose after all that ots hard to find the tangibility of that...damn lemon haze
Point being, the church does advize away from attempting a true understanding of things from all angles as arationalization for evils. Think, have you ever read the satanic bible? Given it is the antithesis of the Bible I would say it is worth understanding so as to in the least know how to counter argue it. However, you would be advised by the church to not do it, not not seek undestanding from all sides.