List of Things Christianity Has Made Worse

olylifter420

olylifter420

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seems we have a bit in common you and i... too late on my side, i have made an ass of myself already, lol



massah said:
I've heard your side of the argument for about 30 years now, I go to church every Christmas Eve and Easter Sunday out of respect for my family. Plus I get to hear quite a bit about it from my wife who is a pasters daughter who after 20 years of having religion drilled into her head decided on her own that it was a bunch of bullshit.
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eye exaggerate

eye exaggerate

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Filthy Phil said:
No, I didnt give up, I had to cook dinner last night, then when I woke there were like 7 new pages to read, mostly of the same stuff. Sorry

I keep seeing the same argument here, this isnt really an argument thread unless its ,"hey, we christians didnt make THAT worse and heres why..."

What I AM seeing though is the same, "you are wrong about christianity being a false religion" without much reason why. We all know, and christians know too, that ultimately you have only faith. But faith, IMO, is just the desire to believe in that which we have no compelling evidence or deffinitive answers to support something. Ultimately your end argument will have to be, "you just gotta have faith man"

And I love seeing christians say they believe in science. Thats like me saying I believe in religion. I believe in many things religions preach much like you believe in many things that science teaches. However, there are a few HUGE factors with religion that I disagree with, such as a divine god that cares about us for example, much like there are a few HUGE factors in science you dont believe in, like carbon dating for example. Much like I cant say I believe in religion if I only believe a few points, you cant really deffend your case for believing in science while discrediting a few huge premises.
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...Philthy, can I call you Philthy? Faith is not so much about saying 'don't worry man, have faith'. It is more structured than you might think. Faith has everything to do with controlling the most potent creative energy known to man. If you'd care to, an esoteric study on 'peter' might help. Or, you can pull one if you'd like to. I will certainly not come into your home if you choose the latter. :)
 
massah

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eye exaggerate said:
...lol I know I wanted you to show me how faith controls people. I mean, it does, but I wanted to see your answer.
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I can pretty much sum that all up in one word

Bible

A set of rules and regulations formed in ancient tongues and interpreted by the masses :)
 
ziggittyzag420

ziggittyzag420

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Padawanbater2 said:
Like I said before, the word theory means something completely different in a scientific context than it does to the layman. I can provide evidence that would lead any rational mind to the same conclusion but your dogma disables you from accepting it. The evidence is there for anyone to see, fundies like oly just refuse to accept it. That is what it comes down to.

Science doesn't prove anything, indeed I (or you) cant 'prove' anything, only disprove things.

To provide you with an example, I encourage you to take up either of these challenges;

A. Prove to me I'm not a brain floating in a lab somewhere being manipulated by electrical impulses to experience what I call life.

B. prove that I don't have an invisible fire breathing dragon in my garage.
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A. is a mind f*** and a half lol,i cannot prove A or B,but i cant disprove them either.Just like my stand on Evolution and The Big Bang,theirs some evidence that suggests they couldve happened,but not enough crucial evidence that suggest they did.Charles Darwins theory of Evolution by natural selection,for example,can anybody prove to me that a giraffe with a short neck,over time and many offsprings,will have a long neck?Is their fossilized remains of animals before and after evolution to connect the dots?(serious questions im curious)If the BigBAng did occur,(remember at the begininng of everything supposedly)what possible evidence can scientist collect to prove it or disprove it?have scientist ever witnessed firsthand this miracle?

And lets talk about the paranormal and such now,their is scientific evidence that might prove ghost and ghouls exist(sounds perposterous i know).But tell me,out of all the exorcisms and hauntings,did those people just imagine the occurance,and why are the dead so obsessed with heaven,hell,God,Satan,Latin and such?are the dead stuck in a "bubble" too in the afterlife?or did they witness the afterlife and its glory/pain and are trying to save our souls?and dont tell me EVERYONE who witnessed an exorcism or haunting have something psychologicaly wrong with them,that makes no sense.
 
massah

massah

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hell a google search of "faith in the bible" in quotes comes up with About 14,500,000 results (0.59 seconds)
 
eye exaggerate

eye exaggerate

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massah said:
Well, when the majority of "christians" define their faith it usually includes faith IN the bible no?
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...yes, but in respect to those who have gone before them. They have faith in those 'stories', and as confusing as they can be, those stories still hold true. Many people here do not deny the positives in religious thought. It is true that the gen-pop of christianity is wacked, but so am I. I am no where near 'controlling' anything but I can see what is needed. <---for my own development.

Hmm... Light - Fixer - Developer
 
Filthy Phil

Filthy Phil

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eye exaggerate said:
...Philthy, can I call you Philthy? Faith is not so much about saying 'don't worry man, have faith'. It is more structured than you might think. Faith has everything to do with controlling the most potent creative energy known to man. If you'd care to, an esoteric study on 'peter' might help. Or, you can pull one if you'd like to. I will certainly not come into your home if you choose the latter. :)
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This brings up an excellent point, the need to control ones mind, the avoidance of the knowledge of good and evil, the thought that an attempt at full understanding is of the devils path. (and heph, using these words doenst mean I believe in them, its what you guys believe, so I can say devil or god right?)

I recently had a discussion with my fundamentalist mother. We were talking about the subjectivity of most types of good and evil. My assertion was (and I dont wish to argue it) that absolute good and absolute evil are very rare, that if you groc or understand something from all angles and all things affected events are rarely absolutely good or absolutely evil. That even the most absolute of wrongs at times would have been good, and vice versa. She said, "understanding something completely to rationaloze.evil is the devils greatest plan son."

My point is, why must we controll our mind. Why is questioning too much offensive to god? Why is reason the devils tool? I think its the greatest tool at humanities disposal to increase the degree of joy in this world.
 
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