List of Things Christianity Has Made Worse

why would it not make sense? It makes complete sense man... you are entitled to your opinion always and i respect what you say and what you have experienced. There is no problem in what you base your choices on, the only thing that bothers me and other believers is that atheists' come on here saying that all we do is "spew our diatribe and beliefs on them" when have done nothing of that nature.

Filthy Phil said:

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Perhaps you dont consider that a lot of used to be christians. We believe what we believe BECAUSE we have considered it all. Perhaps if I had learned less of it than I did I might still believe it. We dont disbelive because of lack of exposure or education in christianity, but because of our exposure and education in christianity. Does that make sense at all?[/QUOTE]

I gotta keep coming back here. Which God has given us these things again? The Christian one, Budda, Mohammed, Ganesh? There are a lot of different cultures in this world and you're trying to say that yours is the "right" one. That's where you guys always fall flat. Even amongst Christian based religions there are rifts and splits. If you can't even get it right amongst yourselves how can you expect others to come to you?

olylifter420 said:

they always do this brother, they have been doing that since way back. they never seem to get through their small brain...

they tell me the same things and that im in a ''bubble'' of my own, but what they lack to see is that what i have told them, others have told them before and i as i have seen even to this day the same things i would tell... after a long while, and after i reconsidered my stance on evolution, they still didnt and have not considered any believers side.

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lol do what im doing man,smoke some green and laugh at all there halfassed "theories" they try throwing in your face haha and pray to god for their souls to be saved

olylifter420 said:

thank you man, this has been my point since a long time ago... us believers have the right to consider both sides and we often do... these guys on the other hand, they hold on to things from the past...

that is freaking stupid, its like holding all germans still accountable for the atrocities of ww2

or the spaniards for extinguishing the aztecs or incas or myans

or the native americans for hunting too many buffalo

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Yes, we do hold onto things from the past, its called history. Learn more.

We did hold Germans accountable, there were trials for years. And we deprived them of military for decades. They were punished. Also, ask a german, people still give them shit.

And we do blame the spaniards for the eradication of whole cultures

And the native americans didnt hunt too many buffalo, it was the hunting parties that drove by on trains shooting them, later harbeating humps and tongues.

Now, we hold you accountable for a thousand years of bullshit oppression. Perhaps its not fair, but go cry to the native americans or mexicans about how its not fair, they'll have a few things to discuss that are also, not fair

wannabe grower said:

I gotta keep coming back here. Which God has given us these things again? The Christian one, Budda, Mohammed, Ganesh? There are a lot of different cultures in this world and you're trying to say that yours is the "right" one. That's where you guys always fall flat. Even amongst Christian based religions there are rifts and splits. If you can't even get it right amongst yourselves how can you expect others to come to you?

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mohammeds a so called "messiah" buddhas a person who has very meaningful teachings,Ganesh has multiplegods i assume.if my religons so full of rifts,than why is christiany and muzlim the two biggest religons in the world,and we both believe in the same god,as for judaism. The only difference between the 3 is the messiahs and some teachings

Perhaps you dont consider that a lot of used to be christians. We believe what we believe BECAUSE we have considered it all. Perhaps if I had learned less of it than I did I might still believe it. We dont disbelive because of lack of exposure or education in christianity, but because of our exposure and education in christianity. Does that make sense at all?

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Classic they always say this, have you ever though that you never were truly regenerate of heart to begin with and as soon as "Church" preached or teached something that you didn't like you just ran rather than deal with the issue.
Besides your statements are enough to prove that you didn't consider it all that is why you find yourself in this situation.

Now, we hold you accountable for a thousand years of bullshit oppression. Perhaps its not fair, but go cry to the native americans or mexicans about how its not fair, they'll have a few things to discuss that are also, not fair

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Dude that is played out, when were you ever opressed, give me a break. Last time I checked there has always been freedom of religion here in the United States so there went your well thought statement. Life is what you make it, you can sit back and use anything you want as an excuse for whatever you want but in the end it is not going to change until you change yourself no one is going to give you anything.

ziggittyzag420 said:

exactly,theyre not scientific fact are they?nope,theyre scientific theories,with evidence made by assumptions based on observations,explain to me how evolution and the big bang theory can be proved? i want you to post up facts that 100% prove they happened

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Firstly, theories are theories because in accordance with science you can only disprove, not prove. How about the theory of gravity? Just because its a theory doesnt make it false.

Secondly, if you want a thread like that, go start one. This is my thread, and its called things christianity has made worse, and in the spirit of discussion I will entertain still theories as to why ,hristians wear scrotum goates...my answer is because often they suck balls

Filthy Phil said:

Yes, we do hold onto things from the past, its called history. Learn more.

We did hold Germans accountable, there were trials for years. And we deprived them of military for decades. They were punished. Also, ask a german, people still give them shit.

And we do blame the spaniards for the eradication of whole cultures

And the native americans didnt hunt too many buffalo, it was the hunting parties that drove by on trains shooting them, later harbeating humps and tongues.

Now, we hold you accountable for a thousand years of bullshit oppression. Perhaps its not fair, but go cry to the native americans or mexicans about how its not fair, they'll have a few things to discuss that are also, not fair

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all thats tragic and all but has nothing to do with the discussion,and its quite silly for some atheist to blame a bunch of stoners via the web for a thousand years of oppression,when you were young were you sodomized by a catholic priest,i feel like you feel christianty owes you for something,listen if you dont want god in your life,you could rot in the ground with the rest,makes no difference to me lol

sen.c said:

Classic they always say this, have you ever though that you never were truly regenerate of heart to begin with and as soon as "Church" preached or teached something that you didn't like you just ran rather than deal with the issue.
Besides your statements are enough to prove that you didn't consider it all that is why you find yourself in this situation.



Dude that is played out, when were you ever opressed, give me a break. Last time I checked there has always been freedom of religion here in the United States so there went your well thought statement. Life is what you make it, you can sit back and use anything you want as an excuse for whatever you want but in the end it is not going to change until you change yourself no one is going to give you anything.

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so then the only reason someone couldnt be christian is if they dont understand? Dont make assumptions about thedegree of my former fervor. You dont know what level of devotion I followed, you dont know my life or experience. You sound retarded making a statement like that.

And what situation do I find myself in? Perhaps you could clue me in. is it the situation where I live a happy fulfilling life abundant in joy and gratefulness where one of my few issues are christians and bad drivers?

The reason Christianity and Muslim are currently the top 2 have more to do with who spread them and how much money their cultures had at the time. It will change eventually. Maybe Tom Cruise will be the new massiah in 2000 years. Or maybe China will take over the planet and we'll all be communists. Or maybe some alien race will land here and tell everyone they have to worship whatever they have or die. Really it's all subject to change. Maybe even the Christians will eventually tell everyone what to think. Won't that be delightful. Brain washing for all, YAY! If you don't agree you die. Maybe a way to determine if you'll be a believer before birth, or wait conception. It's hard enough to make sure the wrong people don't have babies now.

ziggittyzag420 said:

all thats tragic and all but has nothing to do with the discussion,and its quite silly for some atheist to blame a bunch of stoners via the web for a thousand years of oppression,when you were young were you sodomized by a catholic priest,i feel like you feel christianty owes you for something,listen if you dont want god in your life,you could rot in the ground with the rest,makes no difference to me lol

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Good, so then what the fuck are you doing on this thread to begin with, let me rot as you say

so then the only reason someone couldnt be christian is if they dont understand? Dont make assumptions about thedegree of my former fervor. You dont know what level of devotion I followed, you dont know my life or experience. You sound retarded making a statement like that.

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I question it, and I challange you to prove your vast knowledge you say you have of the Bible and True Christianity, not the one made up in your head to suit what makes you feel good but the true word of God. I don't need to know your life expierence, your statements speak for themselves. Now step up, I will be your sounding board what you got.

My friend you find yourself in a self made shit sandwhich, and now no matter how much damage control you try to do a shit sandwhich no matter how much bread you put on it is still a shit sandwhich.

ziggittyzag420 said:

exactly,theyre not scientific fact are they?nope,theyre scientific theories,with evidence made by assumptions based on observations,explain to me how evolution and the big bang theory can be proved? i want you to post up facts that 100% prove they happened

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Like I said before, the word theory means something completely different in a scientific context than it does to the layman. I can provide evidence that would lead any rational mind to the same conclusion but your dogma disables you from accepting it. The evidence is there for anyone to see, fundies like oly just refuse to accept it. That is what it comes down to.

Science doesn't prove anything, indeed I (or you) cant 'prove' anything, only disprove things.

To provide you with an example, I encourage you to take up either of these challenges;

A. Prove to me I'm not a brain floating in a lab somewhere being manipulated by electrical impulses to experience what I call life.

B. prove that I don't have an invisible fire breathing dragon in my garage.

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fundies like oly just refuse to accept it. That is what it comes down to.

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Let's be honest now that is like the pot calling the kettle black.

"but the true word of God". What exactly is the true word of God? id he speak directly to you at some point? You never answered that earlier.

sen.c said:

I question it, and I challange you to prove your vast knowledge you say you have of the Bible and True Christianity, not the one made up in your head to suit what makes you feel good but the true word of God. I don't need to know your life expierence, your statements speak for themselves. Now step up, I will be your sounding board what you got.

My friend you find yourself in a self made shit sandwhich, and now no matter how much damage control you try to do a shit sandwhich no matter how much bread you put on it is still a shit sandwhich.

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More than proof is needed for you to believe me I would assume, and I owe YOU no proof to be entitled to my oppinions. If you dont like them, dont try to change them, just go away.

My life is a shit sandwich? I have traveled 4 of the 6 travelable continents. I have a large family. I have an advanced education. I have slept with over 100 women. I can communicate at least moderately in 4 languages. I am in mostly great health aside from a few problems. I have all the grade A grass I can smoke. I have the third best job in the world following pornstars and basketball players. I have a beautiful wife and a son on the way. I am 30. And burritos are for dinner tonight! My life is fucking awesome! Shit sandwhich....you wish.

sen.c said:

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Let's be honest now that is like the pot calling the kettle black.

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I have tangible, testable, measurable data that I can give you and you can test for yourself and you will come up with the exact same conclusion. You have faith. I have nothing to test, only your words 'just have faith', and if I don't trick myself into believing it, your only recourse is 'you didn't truly believe it in your heart', which many of us have pointed out is a logical fallacy, and like usual, 3/4 of you are too ignorant to see it and the last 1/4 is proud of it.

It's as if we're all in elementary school again and we ask if you guys want to have a kickball game at recess, you all agree.. But show up with a wiffle ball, tennis racket and catchers mitt and expect to play basketball. When the rest of us explain the rules, you ignore them, complain to the teacher we're plaing unfair, then claim victory when the bell rings.

So how's everyone doing?

*chirp chirp*

sen.c said:

Yes actually I do think that many books of the Bible were originally written by witnesses. That is how history was passed down at that time was it not? The people of those times chronicled through writing
so that there would be historical data of the time and events. In those times that is how people keep records to pass on to future generations for teaching.

Do you think the "Big Bang" and "Evolution" theories were written by witnesses?

Not to get off subject, but rather to prove again that in your eyes it is always the "Christians" that are fools according to you but don't you prescribe to those theories? So in essence what does that make you?

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then why do any of the verified authors of that time make no mention of jesus? or his amazing acts? and what ever happened between the age of 12 and 30? why would he all of a sudden stop preforming these special and so amazing things just to return and immediately be crucified?