Limp plant top

repoocbd

Active Member
I have been growing three plants in very close proximity to each other and in a rather cool dry closet. They had started to grow at angles because they wanted more space. So last night I moved them to my cabinet that is warmer between 80 and 85 degrees and humid, but it is well ventilated with an intake and outtake fan. I went to water them today and one had started to droop from the main stock at the top it was nice and green still but going a bit limp. Another was reaching hard for the light and was starting to curl its leaves down a touch. The third seems fine. And the other 4 that have been in the cabinet are doing great like always,but those 4 and the other 3 are different strains. Any suggestions as to the problem or solutions would be awesome ty in advance.
 

tyke1973

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Sounds like heat stress but that is just one factor it could be.have the plants ever been flushed if not flush them with a ph of around 5.0/5.5 do this over a toilet till the water runs clear.when you start flushing take a sample of water and ph that see if the ph has highered or lowred.then get them back on the same regement of nutrients that you have been feeding you want to add your nutes.i don't like to say this because i belive the closer the lights the bigger the yeiled but i would higher at most 3 ince then slowly lower back down has close has possible.lower a little each day till you get inces of the tops turn the fans up a little,another good tip is to have the air flow blowing through the bottom of the plants.i would rather add another small fan than higher the lights.hope this helps bro keep green.
 

repoocbd

Active Member
Sounds like heat stress but that is just one factor it could be.have the plants ever been flushed if not flush them with a ph of around 5.0/5.5 do this over a toilet till the water runs clear.when you start flushing take a sample of water and ph that see if the ph has highered or lowred.then get them back on the same regement of nutrients that you have been feeding you want to add your nutes.i don't like to say this because i belive the closer the lights the bigger the yeiled but i would higher at most 3 ince then slowly lower back down has close has possible.lower a little each day till you get inces of the tops turn the fans up a little,another good tip is to have the air flow blowing through the bottom of the plants.i would rather add another small fan than higher the lights.hope this helps bro keep green.
Thank you for the info. I have flushed this one once, but I will do it again, and I had the same plan of adding one more small fan that I can adjust the angle of to be able to blow fresh air where the plant needs it most. As far as the lights I don't have them too close to those plants (about 6 to 8 inches away) because all the lights are on a raisable cieling an I have one mature plant that is much taller than all the rest. So the lights are a few inches from that guy, hopefully girl. I would like to trim that plant down, but I don't know if I can cut the top off and have the original plant survive. I know I can clone the top though. Thanks again
 

LUDACRIS

New Member
Thank you for the info. I have flushed this one once, but I will do it again, and I had the same plan of adding one more small fan that I can adjust the angle of to be able to blow fresh air where the plant needs it most. As far as the lights I don't have them too close to those plants (about 6 to 8 inches away) because all the lights are on a raisable cieling an I have one mature plant that is much taller than all the rest. So the lights are a few inches from that guy, hopefully girl. I would like to trim that plant down, but I don't know if I can cut the top off and have the original plant survive. I know I can clone the top though. Thanks again
plants starting to lopp at the top is usually a sign of underwatering.
if the plant is lopping at the top and you have not just watered them when you water them a.s.a.p. within 1/2hr you will see the plant stand up straight.
if its lopping due to lack of water you will know almost straight away after watering.
(done it myself a few times).

Watering
Water provides hydrogen for plant growth, and also carries nutrients throughout the plant in the transpiration stream. However, it is not true that the more water given a plant, the faster it will grow. Certainly, if a plant is consistently under-watered, its growth rate slows. However, lack of water does not limit photosynthesis until the soil in the pot is dry and the plant is wilting.
The amount of water, and how often to water, varies with the size of the plants and pots, soil composition, and the temperature, humidity, and circulation of the air, to name a few variables. But watering is pretty much a matter of common sense.
During germination, keep the soil surface moist. But once the seedling are established, let the top layer of soil dry out before watering again. This will eliminate any chance of stem rot. Water around the stems rather than on them. Seedlings are likely to fall over if watered roughly; use a hand sprinkler.
In general, when the soil about two inches deep feels dry, water so that the soil is evenly moist but not so much that water runs out the drainage holes and carries away the soil's nutrients. After a few trials, you will know approximately how much water the pots can hold. Marijuana cannot tolerate a soggy or saturated soil. Plants grown in constantly wet soil are slower-growing, usually less potent, and prone to attack from stem rot.
Over-watering as a common problem; it develops from consistently watering too often. When the plants are small, they transpire much less water. Seedlings in large pots need to be watered much less often than when the plants are large or are in small pots. A large pot that was saturated during germination may hold enough water for the first three weeks of growth. On the other hand, a six-foot plant in a six-inch pot may have to be watered every day. Always water enough to moisten all the soil. Don't just wet the surface layer.
Under-watering is less of a problem, since it is easily recognised. When the soil becomes too dry, the plant wilts. Plant cells are kept rigid by the pressure of their cell contents, which are mostly water. With the water gone, they collapse. First the bottom leaves droop, and the condition quickly works its way up the plant until the top lops over. If this happens, water immediately. Recovery is so fast, you can follow the movement of water up the stem as it fills and brings turgor to the leaves. A plant may survive a wilted condition of several days, but at the very least some leaves will drop.
Don't keep the pots constantly wet, and don't wait until the plant wilts. Let the soil go through a wet and dry cycle, which will aerate the soil and aid nutrient uptake. Most growers find that they need to water about once or twice a week.
 

repoocbd

Active Member
plants starting to lopp at the top is usually a sign of underwatering...
Lots of great info here thanks. At this point my plants need a daily watering They are growing in 20 oz gatorade bottles with very little soil, they are mostly roots in the bottles now. As far as it being an underwatering problem it is very possilbe. I watered them after seeing that and in an hour it looked way better. I was just really surprised to see that since most of my mature plants that get water deficient start to do a limp wrist thing with thier leaves and I know to water them right away. I never saw that happen to this one, but it was only about 5 or 6 inches tall.
 

Stoney Jake

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Thats what happens to some of my plants when they need a drink. Some get droopy leafs but some get droop tops
 

LUDACRIS

New Member
Lots of great info here thanks. At this point my plants need a daily watering They are growing in 20 oz gatorade bottles with very little soil, they are mostly roots in the bottles now. As far as it being an underwatering problem it is very possilbe. I watered them after seeing that and in an hour it looked way better. I was just really surprised to see that since most of my mature plants that get water deficient start to do a limp wrist thing with thier leaves and I know to water them right away. I never saw that happen to this one, but it was only about 5 or 6 inches tall.

transplant them as soo as possible before they get rootbound and stop growing.
http://www.drugs-forum.com/growfaq/1083.htm
LUDA.
 

repoocbd

Active Member
transplant them as soo as possible before they get rootbound and stop growing.
http://www.drugs-forum.com/growfaq/1083.htm
LUDA.
This is an experiment of sorts based on this http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=95963 Supposedly you never have to take them out of the 20 oz bottles and the original guy that did this actually does 0 veg time and goes 12 12 from the time they are seedlings. I am trying for short fast producers, but I have a cloning station too to make sure I get it right eventually. Thank you for the concern about my plants though I appreciate it.
 

LUDACRIS

New Member
This is an experiment of sorts based on this http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=95963 Supposedly you never have to take them out of the 20 oz bottles and the original guy that did this actually does 0 veg time and goes 12 12 from the time they are seedlings. I am trying for short fast producers, but I have a cloning station too to make sure I get it right eventually. Thank you for the concern about my plants though I appreciate it.
regardless of the 20oz bottles started with plants on 12/12 from sprout.
if the plant becomes rootbound(regardless of pot size)than it will stop growing/droop and appear lifeless this will stop growth and if this happens dont expect to get a good yeild(it will be very poor).when plants are grown 12/12 from seed the root mass is much smaller than a properly vegged plant(18/6) as vegging produces more roots and when they are vegged and switched to flowering root development slows as the plant is properly established with plentyfull roots and therefore transfers its energy into producing flowers instead of roots.
(hope that makes sense).
http://www.drugs-forum.com/growfaq/1083.htm
LUDA.
 

repoocbd

Active Member
regardless of the 20oz bottles started with plants on 12/12 from sprout...../quote]

Well I can only hope this plant does ok since I really can't transplant it. My whole set up is for plants in 20 oz bottles with about 2 weeks veg max after cloning. Unfortunately the biggest one is arleady huge since I vegged it 3 weeks from the seed sprouting and I have been unable to keep a stable 12 12 cycle over the last few days as I have been in the process of finishing the new cabinet they are in. So I was hoping to lop the big one off at the top and clone that to shrink it, but its roots are so massive as is I am not sure that is a smart idea either. However, I will keep making clones until I fiugre out the exact method to use for this.
 
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