Liberals Hate Success

Leothwyn

Leothwyn

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Rick has the perspective of someone who listens to lots of right wing entertainment and thinks that it actually reflects reality. They pick things from the extreme end of the left, and try to pass that off as representing anyone who's left of center (as abe said).
 
CrackerJax

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Who knows?

But if one looks at the actual policies passed, it isn't hard to see how we're being run over by a left wing agenda.

The failed economic damage is already piling up, but they continue to pile on.

It's about busting out the country. No one is that incompetent at that level, it's being done on purpose.
 
PVS

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i see the average iq in the politics forum is still on a level slightly below that of a used tampon.
 
Mr Tambourine Man

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Lots of straw men and red herrings but nobody has addressed why the far Left is automatically against everything they see as successful or powerful.
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Is it me or does he create a straw man in the same sentence he attacks others for doing so.
 
CrackerJax

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In many ways, I'm liberal as well.

But not when it comes to govt. spending other ppl's money.

I have a conscience.
 
Stoney McFried

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Well...speaking for myself...I'm not against success and power,as long as you don't get special treatment for being successful.You should be subject to the same laws,rules, and regulations as everyone else is in this country,and you shouldn't get to pay less in taxes than your employees just because you can afford a personal accountant. I'm not against capitalism at all, as long as it's practiced ethically,and your success wasn't gained by stepping on the backs of the less fortunate.
RickWhite said:
Ever notice that Liberals are nearly always against anything they perceive as successful or powerful and for anything they perceive as downtrodden.

Nothing is more synonymous with success than Capitalism. This is so obvious as to need no explanation. and of course, Liberals are against it.
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So what we did to the Native Americans was right?Slavery was ok? We're not the only people who have done wrong in the name of race,but we should admit that we HAVE done wrong.
RickWhite said:
And the same is true with race. White people are evil oppressors, the US is an evil imperialist country, Israel is an evil oppressor of the Palestinians. White Europeans stole the land from the Indians and Whites have been oppressing Blacks for centuries, etc.

If you notice, everyone they are against are in positions of power and everyone they are for is relatively powerless.
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I take issue with any form of discrimination...because as a PERSON,I know that being singled out because of factors you have no control over, like race,is hurtful and does NO ONE any good. And why shouldn't Native Americans be angry? Our country promised them land to establish a separate country of their own,and then stole it back.
RickWhite said:
No Liberal ever takes issue with black racists or with Mexicans who openly advocate re-conquering the US. Nor do they have problems with the absolute racism of the American Indians who promote separatism.
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Wrong again. Everyone should be responsible for their own actions, no matter what race, religion,or personal belief system.But everyone should also be afforded the same opportunities in this country as well, if they are a citizen.The US has done its share of terrorism as well.None of us are blameless.
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Black crime and social decay is seen not as a systemic problem that needs fixing but as the result of persistent oppression by Whites. And Muslims are not responsible for their terrorist acts because they are obviously a result of US policy.
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No, determining who is right or wrong in a situation should go on a case by case basis.But it seems that often, the "downtrodden" aren't adequately and fairly represented because they aren't endowed with the same means as those "powerful" people.So they don't often receive equal treatment,as they should.

Signed, the "nutjob" liberal.
RickWhite said:
One must wonder, is it merely a coincidence that the downtrodden are right in every single situation and the more powerful people are wrong in every single situation, or is it more likely that Liberals are predisposed to choose sides based not on an objective analysis of the facts but rather on some internal psychological issues.

Since it is not reasonable to assume the former, one must assume the latter.
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RickWhite

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abe23 said:
I answered your original post in detail above. Your original premise was based on some nonsensical notion that somehow everyone who is left of centre reflexively despises capitalism and success. I can think of some very successful people who would take issue with that. Richard Branson comes to mind. And again, the way you use the term liberal means absolutely nothing. Again, maybe it's because people like yourself don't care about nuances and details that they assume that any form criticism is equal to 'hating'.
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If you are going to accuse me of overlooking nuance you ought to be sure you are not the one who is guilty of just that. I never said there were no successful people on the left. I said the Left, meaning the general ideology of the Left is against these things. Michael Moore just made a film criticizing Capitalism while making millions because of it. I never said there weren't any hypocrites on the Left. Pay attention in school young man.
 
abe23

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RickWhite said:
If you are going to accuse me of overlooking nuance you ought to be sure you are not the one who is guilty of just that. I never said there were no successful people on the left. I said the Left, meaning the general ideology of the Left is against these things. Michael Moore just made a film criticizing Capitalism while making millions because of it. I never said there weren't any hypocrites on the Left. Pay attention in school young man.
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Again, you are assuming that I and everyone who you consider to be a "liberal" cares for michael moore. I don't. I think he's a fat, dishonest piece of shit who will make up just about any nonsense to support his views, just like rush limbaugh. Just because I agree with him on a lot of things doesn't mean I don't call him out for being a liar.

You might want to reconsider this fantasy you have about the "generally ideology of the left". I don't watch hannity and then assume I know everything about what conservatives think. Try watching the daily show/colbert, bill maher or better yet read the new york or washington post op-ed page if you want a better idea of what "libs" think. Not that I agree with everything...

I think your horizon is maybe a bit limited and maybe you need to start thinking about things a little more critically. Don't just look at what's good in the world or in america, but also look at what can be done better. Many "libs" make the mistake of not recognizing the good, this is true, but you are a complete fool if you think everything is perfect and there's no need to improve anything.
 
RickWhite

RickWhite

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Stoney McFried said:
Well...speaking for myself...I'm not against success and power,as long as you don't get special treatment for being successful.You should be subject to the same laws,rules, and regulations as everyone else is in this country,and you shouldn't get to pay less in taxes than your employees just because you can afford a personal accountant. I'm not against capitalism at all, as long as it's practiced ethically,and your success wasn't gained by stepping on the backs of the less fortunate.

According to the statement above, you do have a problem with it and you explain this. You feel the rich receive special treatment (from who?) and that the laws give them an unfair advantage. That they pay less taxes than their employees and got where they are by stepping on the backs of the less fortunate. So, you do in fact take issue with success. Anyway, I would love to hear you explain specifically how this is so.

So what we did to the Native Americans was right?Slavery was ok? We're not the only people who have done wrong in the name of race,but we should admit that we HAVE done wrong.

Nobody said we haven't done wrong, but we have done a lot more good than bad. You never hear Liberals discuss the good things America has done - never.

I take issue with any form of discrimination...because as a PERSON,I know that being singled out because of factors you have no control over, like race,is hurtful and does NO ONE any good. And why shouldn't Native Americans be angry? Our country promised them land to establish a separate country of their own,and then stole it back.

Have you ever been on an Indian reservation? I have and I assure you there is nothing there that needs preserving. These are one of the best examples of how welfare crushes people's spirit and breeds misery and despair. You ought to visit one if you get the chance.

Wrong again. Everyone should be responsible for their own actions, no matter what race, religion,or personal belief system.But everyone should also be afforded the same opportunities in this country as well, if they are a citizen.The US has done its share of terrorism as well.None of us are blameless.

So again, you are suggesting that people are not afforded the same opportunities. You are taking exactly the position I said you would. Can you give an example of where the US engaged in Terror?

No, determining who is right or wrong in a situation should go on a case by case basis.But it seems that often, the "downtrodden" aren't adequately and fairly represented because they aren't endowed with the same means as those "powerful" people.So they don't often receive equal treatment,as they should.

And who pray tell is doing this "empowering"?

Signed, the "nutjob" liberal.
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Although you have multi-quoted my post and responded to each line, none of those responses really addressed my point. They were closer to being comebacks than responses.

If you want to truly respond, show me where you feel that America is an exceptional Country. Give an example of how success is a benefit to society. Can you think of anything?
 
RickWhite

RickWhite

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abe23 said:
Again, you are assuming that I and everyone who you consider to be a "liberal" cares for michael moore. I don't. I think he's a fat, dishonest piece of shit who will make up just about any nonsense to support his views, just like rush limbaugh. Just because I agree with him on a lot of things doesn't mean I don't call him out for being a liar.

You might want to reconsider this fantasy you have about the "generally ideology of the left". I don't watch hannity and then assume I know everything about what conservatives think. Try watching the daily show/colbert, bill maher or better yet read the new york or washington post op-ed page if you want a better idea of what "libs" think. Not that I agree with everything...

I think your horizon is maybe a bit limited and maybe you need to start thinking about things a little more critically. Don't just look at what's good in the world or in america, but also look at what can be done better. Many "libs" make the mistake of not recognizing the good, this is true, but you are a complete fool if you think everything is perfect and there's no need to improve anything.
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You have said nothing in the above post. What did you say, that you don't agree with Moore, so what? Or is it that not every liberal thinks XYZ. And not every dog barks - so what; this statement means nothing.

I do listen to what the Left is saying and I do read their rags. I never said America was perfect - you are tossing out straw men. Trust me, my horizons go further than you could even fathom and I assure you I am not the one who needs to learn to think more critically. This is evident in your inability to meet my points head on - something you have failed to do thus far. I was a Liberal like you in my youth and I have contemplated everything the Left believes. The difference between me and you is that I grew up.

Who wears T shirts with pictures of mass murderers like Che Guevara, the left or the Right?
 
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RickWhite said:
show me where you feel that America is an exceptional Country. ( in my heart)

Give an example of how success is a benefit to society. My success. Can you think of anything? Man that was too easy!
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my responces went in the quote. I don't know why. Maybe too many hits from the bong. too mANY HITS FROM THE BING! :hump:
dOES ANYBODY ELSE HEA DOGS BARKING??

And I can't find where Rick said this?? I thought it was from Abe23... (Man my faves are good!) I must be drewling.
 
Mr Tambourine Man

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Success benefits society by incentivizing people to start companies and find cures for diseases and do a lot of other wonderful things from which we all benefit. Taxing success also benefits society by making government's existence possible, funding police and other services, supporting/expanding the social safety net, etc. Both extremes are bad--taxing all success means the end of innovation, and abolishing all taxes means anarchy. What the right balance is depends on how much one values the stabilizing function of government versus the incentivizing function of letting people keep more of their money. It's a choice between security and freedom--and like all values questions there's no objectively right answer. If two people value the security that programs like universal health care provide more than lower taxes or a higher GDP, and one person doesn't, why should the majority be overruled? (It's beside the point if the majority of Americans really do support universal health care, all I'm saying is that neither side is objectively right or wrong--one side values pizza more, the other side values Chinese more. When most of my friends want Chinese, we order Chinese.)
 
Mr Tambourine Man

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America is more economically liberal/socially conservative than most of the advanced democracies. To that extent, we are "exceptional." Historically, we were way ahead of the democracy curve as well. I don't think we're exceptional in any other sense, though.
 
abe23

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RickWhite said:
You have said nothing in the above post. What did you say, that you don't agree with Moore, so what? Or is it that not every liberal thinks XYZ. And not every dog barks - so what; this statement means nothing.

I do listen to what the Left is saying and I do read their rags. I never said America was perfect - you are tossing out straw men. Trust me, my horizons go further than you could even fathom and I assure you I am not the one who needs to learn to think more critically. This is evident in your inability to meet my points head on - something you have failed to do thus far. I was a Liberal like you in my youth and I have contemplated everything the Left believes. The difference between me and you is that I grew up.

Who wears T shirts with pictures of mass murderers like Che Guevara, the left or the Right?
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Go read my response to your idiotic opening post. I answered you 'points'...several people did, but you choose to ignore them.

Again, you know nothing of what I or anyone else you view as a "liberal believes" other than what's in your fantasy. I get it....when you were young you were a liberal dumbass and now you're a conservative dumbass, so now you think everyone on the left holds the same dumbass views you once did. Is this possible?
 
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Abe23 is no different. Thick and unable to learn from anything about their 'opinions'. Trolls? Or just plain dense?
These are your only choices- just like the health care bill. These are your only choices to choose from.
 
CrackerJax

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As long as liberals think the govt. can do better than the private sector, the USA will ail economically. If enough entitlements are passed out, the USA will not recover.
 
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