Liberal Lies On Health Care I

ViRedd

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LIBERAL LIES ABOUT NATIONAL HEALTH CARE: FIRST IN A SERIES
by Ann Coulter
August 19, 2009

(1) National health care will punish the insurance companies.

You want to punish insurance companies? Make them compete.

As Adam Smith observed, whenever two businessmen meet, "the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices." That's why we need a third, fourth and 45th competing insurance company that will undercut them by offering better service at a lower price.

Tiny little France and Germany have more competition among health insurers than the U.S. does right now. Amazingly, both of these socialist countries have less state regulation of health insurance than we do, and you can buy health insurance across regional lines -- unlike in the U.S., where a federal law allows states to ban interstate commerce in health insurance.

U.S. health insurance companies are often imperious, unresponsive consumer hellholes because they're a partial monopoly, protected from competition by government regulation. In some states, one big insurer will control 80 percent of the market. (Guess which party these big insurance companies favor? Big companies love big government.)

Liberals think they can improve the problem of a partial monopoly by turning it into a total monopoly. That's what single-payer health care is: "Single payer" means "single provider."

It's the famous liberal two-step: First screw something up, then claim that it's screwed up because there's not enough government oversight (it's the free market run wild!), and then step in and really screw it up in the name of "reform."

You could fix 90 percent of the problems with health insurance by ending the federal law allowing states to ban health insurance sales across state lines. But when John McCain called for ending the ban during the 2008 presidential campaign, he was attacked by Joe Biden -- another illustration of the ironclad Ann Coulter rule that the worst Republicans are still better than allegedly "conservative" Democrats.

(2) National health care will "increase competition and keep insurance companies honest" -- as President Barack Obama has said.

Government-provided health care isn't a competitor; it's a monopoly product paid for by the taxpayer. Consumers may be able to "choose" whether they take the service -- at least at first -- but every single one of us will be forced to buy it, under penalty of prison for tax evasion. It's like a new cable plan with a "yes" box, but no "no" box.

Obama himself compared national health care to the post office -- immediately conjuring images of a highly efficient and consumer-friendly work force -- which, like so many consumer-friendly shops, is closed by 2 p.m. on Saturdays, all Sundays and every conceivable holiday.

But what most people don't know -- including the president, apparently -- with certain narrow exceptions, competing with the post office is prohibited by law.

Expect the same with national health care. Liberals won't stop until they have total control. How else will they get you to pay for their sex-change operations?

(3) Insurance companies are denying legitimate claims because they are "villains."

Obama denounced the insurance companies in last Sunday's New York Times, saying: "A man lost his health coverage in the middle of chemotherapy because the insurance company discovered that he had gallstones, which he hadn't known about when he applied for his policy. Because his treatment was delayed, he died."

Well, yeah. That and the cancer.

Assuming this is true -- which would distinguish it from every other story told by Democrats pushing national health care -- in a free market, such an insurance company couldn't stay in business. Other insurance companies would scream from the rooftops about their competitor's shoddy business practices, and customers would leave in droves.

If only customers had a choice! But we don't because of government regulation of health insurance.

Speaking of which, maybe if Mr. Gallstone's insurance company weren't required by law to cover early childhood development programs and sex-change operations, it wouldn't be forced to cut corners in the few areas not regulated by the government, such as cancer treatments for patients with gallstones.

(4) National health care will give Americans "basic consumer protections that will finally hold insurance companies accountable" -- as Barack Obama claimed in his op/ed in the Times.

You want to protect consumers? Do it the same way we protect consumers of dry cleaning, hamburgers and electricians: Give them the power to tell their insurance companies, "I'm taking my business elsewhere."

(5) Government intervention is the only way to provide coverage for pre-existing conditions.

The only reason most "pre-existing" conditions aren't already covered is because of government regulations that shrink the insurance market to a microscopic size, which leads to fewer options in health insurance and a lot more uninsured people than would exist in a free market.

The free market has produced a dizzying array of insurance products in areas other than health. (Ironically, array-associated dizziness is not covered by most health plans.) Even insurance companies have "reinsurance" policies to cover catastrophic events occurring on the properties they insure, such as nuclear accidents, earthquakes and Michael Moore dropping in for a visit and breaking the couch.

If we had a free market in health insurance, it would be inexpensive and easy to buy insurance for "pre-existing" conditions before they exist, for example, insurance on unborn -- unconceived -- children and health insurance even when you don't have a job. The vast majority of "pre-existing" conditions that currently exist in a cramped, limited, heavily regulated insurance market would be "covered" conditions under a free market in health insurance.

I've hit my word limit on liberal lies about national health care without breaking a sweat. See this space next week for more lies in our continuing series.

 

MexicanWarlord420

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Dude, this is Ann Coulter. She doesn't prove these liberal lies with history or facts, just biased opinion. She also thinks jews need to be perfected.
 

jrh72582

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Please, no more Ann Coulter. Call a person a 'faggot' once and NO academic or intelligent man will ever listen to you again. She's done. The rest of us accepted that fact, so please, no more.
 

jrh72582

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Dude, this is Ann Coulter. She doesn't prove these liberal lies with history or facts, just biased opinion. She also thinks jews need to be perfected.
And she thinks Muslims should be converted to Christians. She, even over Palin, is the definition of an anti-intellectual. I don't even mind her anymore because she's not taken seriously. She's about as impotent as Rush, the uneducated, drug-addicted, hate-mongering, racist (yes, I said it), FELON. I repeat, FELON!!!! The head of Republican thought is a FELON, as in, cannot even vote!
 

ViRedd

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So, I take it then, that your biases against Ann Coulter blinds you to ANYTHING she says. Is that right?

Here's just one point from the article:

"(4) National health care will give Americans "basic consumer protections that will finally hold insurance companies accountable" -- as Barack Obama claimed in his op/ed in the Times.

You want to protect consumers? Do it the same way we protect consumers of dry cleaning, hamburgers and electricians: Give them the power to tell their insurance companies, "I'm taking my business elsewhere."


So, would any of you like to take issue with that, or are you all just going to keep your blinders on and continue to shoot the messenger?

Vi
 

jrh72582

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So, I take it then, that your biases against Ann Coulter blinds you to ANYTHING she says. Is that right?

Here's just one point from the article:

"(4) National health care will give Americans "basic consumer protections that will finally hold insurance companies accountable" -- as Barack Obama claimed in his op/ed in the Times.

You want to protect consumers? Do it the same way we protect consumers of dry cleaning, hamburgers and electricians: Give them the power to tell their insurance companies, "I'm taking my business elsewhere."


So, would any of you like to take issue with that, or are you all just going to keep your blinders on and continue to shoot the messenger?

Vi
When it comes to Ann, I don't have blinders. She called one of her foes a 'faggot' in order to defeat his theories and ideas. So, she's done. Forever. Done. I have no blinders - she's been exposed. I made a list once of all the ridiculous statements she's made - let me find it. Even YOU won't believe some it (but it's all been corroborated). Rush's list is even worse. You should see some of his comments about black people.
 

ViRedd

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When it comes to Ann, I don't have blinders. She called one of her foes a 'faggot' in order to defeat his theories and ideas. So, she's done. Forever. Done. I have no blinders - she's been exposed. I made a list once of all the ridiculous statements she's made - let me find it. Even YOU won't believe some it (but it's all been corroborated). Rush's list is even worse. You should see some of his comments about black people.
Oh, I don't doubt what you say ... BUT, consider that there are people who say things for effect in order to make a point. Here's an example:

During the presidential campaign, one poster here referred to McCain as being "The Old Geezer." I took offense to that and replied" "So, I suppose you'll be voting for "The Young Nigger?"

All I wanted to do was to impress upon him that his comment was, from an ageist standpoint, just as offensive as a racist comment. As a result, I was branded a racist and threatened with being banned from the site.

The double standard rests with the Left ... and that was the point he and the moderator completely missed. Not only did they miss it, but my repeated explanations were completely ignored.

Coulter is out there for sure, but she makes her point like a dagger thrust into the heart of Progressivism like no other ... and that's why she is loved on the right and hated on the left.

Vi
 

MexicanWarlord420

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Oh, I don't doubt what you say ... BUT, consider that there are people who say things for effect in order to make a point. Here's an example:

During the presidential campaign, one poster here referred to McCain as being "The Old Geezer." I took offense to that and replied" "So, I suppose you'll be voting for "The Young Nigger?"

All I wanted to do was to impress upon him that his comment was, from an ageist standpoint, just as offensive as a racist comment. As a result, I was branded a racist and threatened with being banned from the site.

The double standard rests with the Left ... and that was the point he and the moderator completely missed. Not only did they miss it, but my repeated explanations were completely ignored.

Coulter is out there for sure, but she makes her point like a dagger thrust into the heart of Progressivism like no other ... and that's why she is loved on the right and hated on the left.

Vi
Lets look at the factors of why she's loved on the right and hated on the left. You know, the real ones.
*She's white.
*Evangelical nutjob intolerant of other religions
*Racist
*Fear Mongering
*Believes her uninformed opinions as facts
That's why the right loves her. That's why we evil doing socialist commies hate her.
 

ViRedd

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Lets look at the factors of why she's loved on the right and hated on the left. You know, the real ones.
*She's white.
*Evangelical nutjob intolerant of other religions
*Racist
*Fear Mongering
*Believes her uninformed opinions as facts
That's why the right loves her. That's why we evil doing socialist commies hate her.
Any yet, typically, you haven't pointed out any of Coulter's "uninformed opinions" in the article I posted.

Why do you "evil-doing, socialist commies" continue attacking the messenger instead of the messenger's ideas? :blsmoke:

"She's White." And this is why you hate her? Are you a racist?

"Intolerant of other religions." And your reasoning for this is??

"Racist." Prove it.


"Fear mongering." Yes, with this I agree. A Conservative, especially a FEMALE conservative, using logic and truth, always strikes fear into the hearts of evil-doing, socialist commies.

You Betcha! :bigjoint:

Vi
 

MexicanWarlord420

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Any yet, typically, you haven't pointed out any of Coulter's "uninformed opinions" in the article I posted.

Why do you "evil-doing, socialist commies" continue attacking the messenger instead of the messenger's ideas? :blsmoke:

"She's White." And this is why you hate her? Are you a racist?

"Intolerant of other religions." And your reasoning for this is??

"Racist." Prove it.


"Fear mongering." Yes, with this I agree. A Conservative, especially a FEMALE conservative, using logic and truth, always strikes fear into the hearts of evil-doing, socialist commies.

You Betcha! :bigjoint:

Vi
Haha I messed that one up, sort of. Basically my points were that she had the all the qualifications of an extreme conservative. As far as her ideas, they are HER ideas. None of them that you listed are backed up with sources or facts.

Racism/Religious intolerence:
Ann Coulter discussed the possibility of Iran developing nuclear weapons and described how “Post-9/11 our philosophy should be: Raghead talks tough? Raghead faces consequences.” When challenged about the use of the term “raghead” by a young Middle Eastern man who asked her to “please, please, please, don’t say raghead,” Coulter responded “yeah, I made a few jokes at Muslims. They killed 3,000 Americans.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDy-V48qb-4
http://www.mediamouse.org/news/2006/02/racist-quotes-by-ann-coulter-d.php
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3sUC1S_OCk
 

NoDrama

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Lets look at the factors of why she's loved on the right and hated on the left. You know, the real ones.
*She's white.
*Evangelical nutjob intolerant of other religions
*Racist
*Fear Mongering
*Believes her uninformed opinions as facts
That's why the right loves her. That's why we evil doing socialist commies hate her.
So to be a "Righty" you have to also have these qualities?
 

CrackerJax

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Haha I messed that one up, sort of. Basically my points were that she had the all the qualifications of an extreme conservative. As far as her ideas, they are HER ideas. None of them that you listed are backed up with sources or facts.

Racism/Religious intolerence:
Ann Coulter discussed the possibility of Iran developing nuclear weapons and described how “Post-9/11 our philosophy should be: Raghead talks tough? Raghead faces consequences.” When challenged about the use of the term “raghead” by a young Middle Eastern man who asked her to “please, please, please, don’t say raghead,” Coulter responded “yeah, I made a few jokes at Muslims. They killed 3,000 Americans.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDy-V48qb-4
http://www.mediamouse.org/news/2006/02/racist-quotes-by-ann-coulter-d.php
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3sUC1S_OCk
Is raghead really worse than Infidel?
 
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PadawanBater

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The shit she publishes reminds me of a car accident, it's so bad you HAVE to read it. That's how I feel about all the posts Vi makes with shit she's said, of course, this one's no exception.

There are some good points in this paper, but she's so unbelievably pretentious and self righteous, she litterally spews the shit, it completely overshadows any point she does make.

People who look at her as some kind of intellectual fighting the 'liberal agenda' or 'progressive movement' in America are straight up retards Vi, all she's interested in is stirring shit up and saying things she doesn't know anything about. She's one of those people that makes me kind of sad she's on tv 'representing' America. People from other countries see people like her and the shit she says and stereotype other Americans as just as ignorant, just like the idiots here do of all the retarded muslim or arabic people they show on our news channels. Her views are so extremely right sided, if that's what it is to be 'conservative' in America, I WELCOME the 'liberal agenda'.

Like I said, she'll make a good point or two here or there, but when 99% of the shit you say is bullshit, lies, disinformation, hate, fear and racism, it's tough to take the other 1% very seriously... you know what I mean?
 

medicineman

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Basically what she said was unleash the insurance companies and they would make sure everyone got cheap (Competition) (comprehensive health care). Probably that means free bandages, and a couple of aspirins. I have yet to see competition in the health care industry driving down any costs or providing comprehensive care, well unless you have large bucks that is. She again trumps herself as the idiot she really is.
 

NarrowEye

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The shit she publishes reminds me of a car accident, it's so bad you HAVE to read it. That's how I feel about all the posts Vi makes with shit she's said, of course, this one's no exception.

There are some good points in this paper, but she's so unbelievably pretentious and self righteous, she litterally spews the shit, it completely overshadows any point she does make.

People who look at her as some kind of intellectual fighting the 'liberal agenda' or 'progressive movement' in America are straight up retards Vi, all she's interested in is stirring shit up and saying things she doesn't know anything about. She's one of those people that makes me kind of sad she's on tv 'representing' America. People from other countries see people like her and the shit she says and stereotype other Americans as just as ignorant, just like the idiots here do of all the retarded muslim or arabic people they show on our news channels. Her views are so extremely right sided, if that's what it is to be 'conservative' in America, I WELCOME the 'liberal agenda'.

Like I said, she'll make a good point or two here or there, but when 99% of the shit you say is bullshit, lies, disinformation, hate, fear and racism, it's tough to take the other 1% very seriously... you know what I mean?
I agree with You here. Im one of those "people from other countries" watching this american circus and people like her dont do any good for america. i put her in same place as glenn beck and couple of others not credible people.
 

MuyLocoNC

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"Like I said, she'll make a good point or two here or there, but when 99% of the shit you say is bullshit, lies, disinformation, hate, fear and racism, it's tough to take the other 1% very seriously... you know what I mean?"

Yes I do. That's exactly what we see coming out of the mainstream media and the leaders of the progressive movement. But the reason you're not getting the data and researched information to prove many of the criticisms of the current administration, is that the media as a whole isn't out there questioning everything and forcing these politicians to prove their claims and back up their facts. They all get a pass from the media to the point that Obama, Reid, Pelosi, Bernake.. etc etc, say something today and it is literally parroted across the MMM the next day as if it were the word of GOD and the media are the apostles.

Frankly, it's revolting. Regardless of what party you are from, you should want your leaders challenged and forced into at least the appearance of honesty. It has gotten to the point that FOX news is the only news channel that even reports breaking stories on many of these lies, along with other organizations like the WSJ, Washington Post and a few others. Then because the MMM doesn't report on the same story at all, many of our liberal friends don't ever even see the information as they put it down as the "crazy right-wing machine" that just wants to see a black president fail. They don't even see the questions that were asked, needed to be asked, MUST BE ASKED.

And for the record JRH, just because YOU say a person has been discredited and is no longer valid is YOUR opinion and holds no more water than my tube sock. Your entire response and the subsequent responses added absolutely nothing to this thread other than a personal attack against the author. We don't care if you dislike her, it's not relevant to the topic. Either comment on the topics she addresses or stay off the thread. Every one of the points made in that article are valid and at the very least, worthy of debate. If you can't separate the message from the messenger, then you only remove yourself from the conversation. Doesn't matter HOW MUCH you dislike her and think everyone should as well, she is a prominent figure in politics (much more so than you, me and everyone we know, combined), and her insights and criticisms hold weight. I could list similar faults with many of the leaders of your party, that by your own standards would eliminate them from the debate, but there are far too many and it's pointless and childish. Just like it came off earlier in this thread.
 

CrackerJax

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I agree with You here. Im one of those "people from other countries" watching this american circus and people like her dont do any good for america. i put her in same place as glenn beck and couple of others not credible people.
Then she's right in there with Obama.


No, of course two wrongs don't make a right, but if muslims insist on referring to us as infidels...no one should be upset by raghead.....it's a push, not an offense. Tit for tat..... no passes.
 

Grandma's boy

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You need to get a job in the medical billing field, then you would learn the truth.

There are hundreds of health insurance companies doing business in this country.

Competition among them has not brought premiums down, nor has it made health insurance more available to people with "pre-existing" conditions.

Yes I work in medical billing, and I had a "pre-existing" condition, that was removed 10 years ago. And I still can't get health insurance.

So, I take it then, that your biases against Ann Coulter blinds you to ANYTHING she says. Is that right?

Here's just one point from the article:

"(4) National health care will give Americans "basic consumer protections that will finally hold insurance companies accountable" -- as Barack Obama claimed in his op/ed in the Times.

You want to protect consumers? Do it the same way we protect consumers of dry cleaning, hamburgers and electricians: Give them the power to tell their insurance companies, "I'm taking my business elsewhere."

So, would any of you like to take issue with that, or are you all just going to keep your blinders on and continue to shoot the messenger?

Vi
 
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