TheFrozenChosen
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as a follow up....I pulled 2.75 LBS out of my box with a circular scrog and 2 600wt HPS.... BOOYAH!!!! 1.02 g per watt
Lets talk yield
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The Good Doctor
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Any garuntee with growing is a false statement.
You can have 100 little plants or 12 big plants or 3 plants, and get the exact same yeild. Depends on: light, nutes, co2 etc. You can get 2 pounds a light easily, but you might only get 2 ounces. It is farming after all!
My good friend uses 1 light at 1000watts per movers, over tables & gets 3 pounds a table. I also have a friend who use 8 1000watt lights over 48 buckets and only yeilded 4.5 pounds. So it is very hard to be exact before your done!
You can have 100 little plants or 12 big plants or 3 plants, and get the exact same yeild. Depends on: light, nutes, co2 etc. You can get 2 pounds a light easily, but you might only get 2 ounces. It is farming after all!
My good friend uses 1 light at 1000watts per movers, over tables & gets 3 pounds a table. I also have a friend who use 8 1000watt lights over 48 buckets and only yeilded 4.5 pounds. So it is very hard to be exact before your done!
norcaliiguy
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there are many variables to increase yield as stated above. veg time is definitely an important variable but a bigger plant will not always get more bud. at a certain point, in my opionion under most circumstances, the huge plant will shade itself and others. Unless you meticulously top and/or fim generally more smaller plants will produce more bud. again you have to find a median there, and this is just my opinion. good luck
OregonMeds
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My smallest blueberry plant just yielded 4 dry ounces and that's without scrogging it or anything and just with one light and a really shitty grow room setup.
It was a sickly little plant compared to my big ladies which are still 3 weeks or so away from being done. 5' plants have no business inside if you are lighting it from the top, but if you are lighting from the side you get a pretty decent yield easily enough like this pic attached. The 4 oz plant wasn't even 1/4 the size of the big ones. I'm not saying this is the way to go over SOG or anything, this is just the way I have to grow because of legal plant count limits in my state.
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TheFrozenChosen
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take what you are doing and add a vertical screen in a C formation around the light....you will experience amazing results....My smallest blueberry plant just yielded 4 dry ounces and that's without scrogging it or anything and just with one light and a really shitty grow room setup.
It was a sickly little plant compared to my big ladies which are still 3 weeks or so away from being done. 5' plants have no business inside if you are lighting it from the top, but if you are lighting from the side you get a pretty decent yield easily enough like this pic attached. The 4 oz plant wasn't even 1/4 the size of the big ones. I'm not saying this is the way to go over SOG or anything, this is just the way I have to grow because of legal plant count limits in my state.
8 plants, 3.5'x4'x6' box, 1200 watts, 2.75 lbs.....it works well for a small scale op
good luck!
OregonMeds
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1200w and 2.75 damn... Nice...
I already tried a full circle of vertical chicken wire around the bulb to hold the plants away at a decent distance and keep them from flopping over onto the bulb but any time I moved the plants or if they settled after I turned the light on then they would end up crooked from the bulb and not centered any more and burned.
All the weight of each plant has to be distributed evenly on ea side of the wire cage to get it to hang centered but things settle the moment you walk away sometimes or just as weight packs on.
Maybe I used too small a diameter though, didn't give myself enough extra wiggle room and might try it again. What diamter circle did you use and how did you keep the bulb centered or the ring from moving?
humble learner
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I won't hold it against you if you don't believe me, but I wouldn't blow smoke up anybodys ass for any reason.
My friend in socal is getting 10 LBs with 4 1000w lights doing SOG with little veg time and lollipopping the 2nd week of flower using GH nutes, the strain is og kush(not the imitation the real deal) he's been growing it for at least 7 or 8 years now. he does 2 4x8 flood tables with 64 plants per table using only 6x6" rockwool and watering by hand(drain to waste). Same guy got 15 LBS with 6 lights same strain same style of grow. The main key is your ventilation and a top notch A.C. so you can get your bulbs as close as possible to your canopy, well there's a lot of factors but he said that was his best improvement that showed results.
My friend in socal is getting 10 LBs with 4 1000w lights doing SOG with little veg time and lollipopping the 2nd week of flower using GH nutes, the strain is og kush(not the imitation the real deal) he's been growing it for at least 7 or 8 years now. he does 2 4x8 flood tables with 64 plants per table using only 6x6" rockwool and watering by hand(drain to waste). Same guy got 15 LBS with 6 lights same strain same style of grow. The main key is your ventilation and a top notch A.C. so you can get your bulbs as close as possible to your canopy, well there's a lot of factors but he said that was his best improvement that showed results.
To me, it's all about tight node growth. If you get a short plant, but has an abundance of branches then you can expect fatter, and denser buds. Of course in ratio with the strain and what not, but the best way to go is veg with MH, and bud with HPS. Also, exposing as much of the plant to light as possible. ie. Reflective Mylar, LST'ing, scrog method, topping and tying down etc.
wonderblunder
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I am running a 1000w HPS in flower right now. I have 6 plants vegged for a month, topped, LSt, and fimmed. Nice bushes, really growin. Probably about 2 feet tall now 1 week into flower. 2 feet wide as well. I am building shelves to do a SOG without using any of my floor place. Im going to be adding 10 clones at about 12 inches every 2 weeks. Im expecting 2-3 ounces off each large plant (strains are WOnderwoman, blueberry, and flo) and then 1/2 to 1 ounce off each of my lollipopped SOG plants. Hopefully 1/4- 1/2 pound every 2 weeks with an additional large yield every month(2 stage flower room)
Good luck take a look at the grow in my sig
Good luck take a look at the grow in my sig
OregonMeds
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I didn't say I didn't believe you I said it didn't work for me. Well it did for a while and then when it loaded up it started to burn if the thing was pushed off center at all. I'd like to know what the difference was that made it work for him.
wonderblunder
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Oregeon Meds, Kick ass budget grow there. I lie your style. and your buds!
OregonMeds
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double average. well done man.
Leothwyn
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brainkandi
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not unbelievable. i run a 4'x8' table 2 600's strain is endless sky, with 50 plants per table. 1 week veg and then i run advanced nutrients 3 part formula with a ebb flow set up....average yield now its dialed in is 3 pounds. i usually get an ounce or two more but three is the rounded figure.
its all about nutes and lights. 1 get almost the same lumens per square foot with my adjust a wing with heat spreader as most can get with a 1000 they got to keep further away. i also use high lumen ushio bulbs (not every 600 watt light is as good as another) which i change frequently. and then lets not forget if you want higher yields using sugar (can augment bud weight by a 25% increase), co2, fresh air exchange, and just every day loving on your plants.
as for nutes it's mostly being on top of your shit. i'd rather spend more money for fresh nutes in my tank than reuse a depleted tank
my 2 cents
well the strain i use is sensi star and UBC i average eight lbs off of 4 1ooow somtimes 9 lbs i grow vertically i put the plants in a cirlce around the perabollic hood and put a fan in the middle blowing up at the light i use sunshine mix i wont tell u my reciepe though but this way u can have the bulb very close i veg for 1 week flower for 8 weeks
OregonMeds
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People claim that a lot, that you can get a 600 closer and use good fresh bulbs thus equal a 1kw... Good bulbs are expensive and I guess it depends on electric costs where you are but if electric isn't crazy high I'd really have to argue against your strategy. You could be getting close to what a 1kw will do using 6 month old $10 generic bulbs so add up the costs differences between $10 1kw generic bulbs lasting for 6 months vs the energy saving and expensive bulbs lasting much shorter in the 600 I bet it's costing you more money for less light the route you are taking.
TheFrozenChosen
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If you are using a 1000wt I recommend 4" mesh....you can find it lowes/depot....mine was 2" mesh that I suspended from the ceiling of my box.....unfort. my plants are in a rectangle pattern so I make the mesh conform to a oblong shape....when the two in the open area get tall I slide another in over them effectively making a 360 around the light. for being 8" from the light I had minimal burn. if you made 4 panels, each 4' X 6', with 2 plants per, and your light dead center....they'll go nuts.....better to have 1 low and 1 high though, wich is why I use 600s
g'luck
OregonMeds
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That sounds about like exactly what I did except for with chicken wire. I think I will try again, I do need some of that larger stuff anyway. I'll do the same thing again with a tube around the light but this time I'll make it much much longer and just anchor the tube floor and ceiling so it can't move and see what we get. I know it should work I think I just had some problems that I'll need to change like better fan on the floor and more air space left at the ceiling next time among other things.
thanks, I wanted to try this again anyway but I may not have if you didn't confirm such great results. I knew it should have kicked ass, just wasn't sure where I might have gone wrong.
brainkandi
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i agree that with a 1000w bulb, a nice expensive one will have high lumens. depending on how you cool that bulb if you can get it close enough you will outshine and outperform a 600w.
yet i notice that the best 600w bulb i have found rates at 95,000lum. where a 1000w bulb ratesbest at 145,000lum. with 2 600w bulbs i get 190,000lum init. which for 200 more wats i get the same lumens as if i had added another a cheap 400 watter light
im not arguing the performance of a 1000w bulb, i have seen a water cooled put right up close to the plants. yield was crazy.
my point is this, since the only number that i can multiply 1000 and 600 which they both will devide into is 3000. with 3000 watts of light from 1000w bulbs you get at most 435,000 lumens with 3000w light from 600w bulbs the most you'll get is up to 475,000 init lumens. thats 40,000 more lumes for the same amount of watts. combine that with the fact most people are keeping there 1000 watter further away, or are putting there 600 closer your plain just getting more lumens....more yield.
i think it's mostly how much money are u willing to invest, or if you don't smoke all your supply reinvest. plus learning. i know my system could yield more. Jorge's books are the shit on this subject.
peace
the brain
yet i notice that the best 600w bulb i have found rates at 95,000lum. where a 1000w bulb ratesbest at 145,000lum. with 2 600w bulbs i get 190,000lum init. which for 200 more wats i get the same lumens as if i had added another a cheap 400 watter light
im not arguing the performance of a 1000w bulb, i have seen a water cooled put right up close to the plants. yield was crazy.
my point is this, since the only number that i can multiply 1000 and 600 which they both will devide into is 3000. with 3000 watts of light from 1000w bulbs you get at most 435,000 lumens with 3000w light from 600w bulbs the most you'll get is up to 475,000 init lumens. thats 40,000 more lumes for the same amount of watts. combine that with the fact most people are keeping there 1000 watter further away, or are putting there 600 closer your plain just getting more lumens....more yield.
i think it's mostly how much money are u willing to invest, or if you don't smoke all your supply reinvest. plus learning. i know my system could yield more. Jorge's books are the shit on this subject.
peace
the brain