Lets talk about re amending

iPerculate

iPerculate

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If you were to wait 6-8 months in between using the soil, would you re-amend before or after storing it?

Keep it moist the whole time?
 
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JimmyJackCorn

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Hairybuds said:
I appreciate the contributions subcool and coots made. Coots is very much a specific recipe tailored to his situation but I agree the chitin thing was pretty cool. I wish someone would make a working man’s soil recipe with inputs readily accessible to the masses. I grow beets, will have to look into that. I’m getting more interested in starting a worm farm, way more doable than the black leaf method, lol, good point
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This is what I struggled with.

I am cheap, and have everything I need on my property (almost) to grow an effective garden. I figured there had to be a way to dial in the particular and heavy needs of cannabis with what I have available!

It's possible, I think. But each person's access will be different based on their local conditions. As far as I can tell, the best approach is to pay attention to folks who build their own soils with local inputs, note how their climate/sources/goals compare with yours, and learn from multiple people simultaneously--always keeping in mind that their particular circumstances will be something you can learn from, but not copy exactly.

My #1 prime example is @kratos015 . I learn a lot from reading his posts, but do almost nothing he does because his available inputs and local climate are completely different from mine. But his words ring in my head all the time: work with what you have, not against it.

Sure, this isn't a straightforward recipe. I wish it were that easy. But for me it's rewarding to build a soil completely from scratch. As I build confidence and knowledge, I move further and further away from store-bought inputs. As of now, I'm down to gypsum and 4-4-4 (excluding IPM tools). I bet I can cut both those out in the near future.

It takes time and effort, but if your goal is to get as close as you can to self-sufficiency it's not a futile goal!

Hiring an expert, if possible, is a great idea! Hopefully it's help from a soil scientist rather than a bro grower!
 
ooof-da

ooof-da

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JimmyJackCorn said:
This is what I struggled with.

I am cheap, and have everything I need on my property (almost) to grow an effective garden. I figured there had to be a way to dial in the particular and heavy needs of cannabis with what I have available!

It's possible, I think. But each person's access will be different based on their local conditions. As far as I can tell, the best approach is to pay attention to folks who build their own soils with local inputs, note how their climate/sources/goals compare with yours, and learn from multiple people simultaneously--always keeping in mind that their particular circumstances will be something you can learn from, but not copy exactly.

My #1 prime example is @kratos015 . I learn a lot from reading his posts, but do almost nothing he does because his available inputs and local climate are completely different from mine. But his words ring in my head all the time: work with what you have, not against it.

Sure, this isn't a straightforward recipe. I wish it were that easy. But for me it's rewarding to build a soil completely from scratch. As I build confidence and knowledge, I move further and further away from store-bought inputs. As of now, I'm down to gypsum and 4-4-4 (excluding IPM tools). I bet I can cut both those out in the near future.

It takes time and effort, but if your goal is to get as close as you can to self-sufficiency it's not a futile goal!

Hiring an expert, if possible, is a great idea! Hopefully it's help from a soil scientist rather than a bro grower!
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It amazes me how much information there is on soil! What you describe is my goal as well but man-o-man the information is strung far & wide and as you state; relative to location. I am setting up for retirement in 10-15 years so this for me has become something I need to dedicate additional research time too or keep buying the $20/bag X 65G X 6 = a lot. I appreciate all the knowledge shared by all of you! :peace:
 
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Hairybuds

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JimmyJackCorn said:
This is what I struggled with.

I am cheap, and have everything I need on my property (almost) to grow an effective garden. I figured there had to be a way to dial in the particular and heavy needs of cannabis with what I have available!

It's possible, I think. But each person's access will be different based on their local conditions. As far as I can tell, the best approach is to pay attention to folks who build their own soils with local inputs, note how their climate/sources/goals compare with yours, and learn from multiple people simultaneously--always keeping in mind that their particular circumstances will be something you can learn from, but not copy exactly.

My #1 prime example is @kratos015 . I learn a lot from reading his posts, but do almost nothing he does because his available inputs and local climate are completely different from mine. But his words ring in my head all the time: work with what you have, not against it.

Sure, this isn't a straightforward recipe. I wish it were that easy. But for me it's rewarding to build a soil completely from scratch. As I build confidence and knowledge, I move further and further away from store-bought inputs. As of now, I'm down to gypsum and 4-4-4 (excluding IPM tools). I bet I can cut both those out in the near future.

It takes time and effort, but if your goal is to get as close as you can to self-sufficiency it's not a futile goal!

Hiring an expert, if possible, is a great idea! Hopefully it's help from a soil scientist rather than a bro grower!
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It is a journey and it has been rewarding, especially when I can buy it bulk and it works. The worst thing about it is falling short after 4 months and seeing the plant wither. Took a few iterations to find out what works. And it was like a yo-yo, going from straight bag soil to coco to coco and soil to subscool to coots like to my final which has been working well. Trial and error. I really like the soil test method, I keep my soil so at a point when I have a good amount of it it’ll be soil test time and be even cheaper yet. I like that motto, work with what you got not against it, it’s a good one!
 
MustangStudFarm

MustangStudFarm

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JimmyJackCorn said:
This is what I struggled with.

I am cheap, and have everything I need on my property (almost) to grow an effective garden. I figured there had to be a way to dial in the particular and heavy needs of cannabis with what I have available!

It's possible, I think. But each person's access will be different based on their local conditions. As far as I can tell, the best approach is to pay attention to folks who build their own soils with local inputs, note how their climate/sources/goals compare with yours, and learn from multiple people simultaneously--always keeping in mind that their particular circumstances will be something you can learn from, but not copy exactly.

My #1 prime example is @kratos015 . I learn a lot from reading his posts, but do almost nothing he does because his available inputs and local climate are completely different from mine. But his words ring in my head all the time: work with what you have, not against it.

Sure, this isn't a straightforward recipe. I wish it were that easy. But for me it's rewarding to build a soil completely from scratch. As I build confidence and knowledge, I move further and further away from store-bought inputs. As of now, I'm down to gypsum and 4-4-4 (excluding IPM tools). I bet I can cut both those out in the near future.

It takes time and effort, but if your goal is to get as close as you can to self-sufficiency it's not a futile goal!

Hiring an expert, if possible, is a great idea! Hopefully it's help from a soil scientist rather than a bro grower!
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Hey, if you want to make your own inputs, look into JADAM. KNF is a little more involved and you have to buy brown sugar/molasses. It's been explained to me that JADAM is rock n roll(loose rules and forgiving) and KNF is orchestra. Anyways, it's a father and son team in Korea that came up with the methods. There isnt much info out there in English but its catching on
 
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JimmyJackCorn

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MustangStudFarm said:
Hey, if you want to make your own inputs, look into JADAM. KNF is a little more involved and you have to buy brown sugar/molasses. It's been explained to me that JADAM is rock n roll(loose rules and forgiving) and KNF is orchestra. Anyways, it's a father and son team in Korea that came up with the methods. There isnt much info out there in English but its catching on
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I explored those techniques a bit, and I really liked what I saw! I ended up making a FPJ one day, then tried topdressing with fresh alfalfa (inspired by KNF and JADAM). Then a lightbulb went on and I started making tea out of my vermicompost!

I plan to upgrade my SIP size and introduce hugelkultur technique into my soil (aeration and nutrient supply for no-till). I will probably make that effort the first run where I go water-only--with some tea and 4-4-4 in my back pocket, of course!
 
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