Legalize marijuana... link inside
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Stonerman Enoch
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I'm sorry but I'm not given my address to the government.
You could always use your neihbors or a fictitional addy. I gave them my address and no police ever showed up top my door. I am growing illegally ( i think ) and I have know worries. What are the gonna do? Arrest me for voicing m y opinion?
http://www.change.org/petitions/legalize-marijuana-4 Thatb is another link for the legalization of weed. Onnly wee need 100,000 sig's and we only have 38,000 so some work is needed to be done.
Just put...
123 Any St.
My town, random state
not to sure what to use for zip code
Edit: popvox.com for sure
Brick Top
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Say you get 100,000 names & addresses .... how will 100,000 people out of 311,000,000 U.S. citizens, or out of 177,777,895 registered U.S. voters, be enough to pressure both Houses of Congress to pass the legislation and then be enough to pressure the president into signing it into law, and then be enough to pressure the individual States into legalizing marijuana?
100,000 people is an insignificant number of either citizens or voters. How will an insignificant number of names on a petition apply any pressure, whatsoever, to both Houses of Congress, the president and to the legislatures of 50 individual States and then their Governors?
If you could got 10,000,000 names, all verifiable as registered voters, you MIGHT then be able to apply a very slight amount of pressure ....... maybe ..... with a great deal of luck.
Man yyou like bustiing my balls. I never said that this is all a gaurntee. It's our way of voicing our opinion. And for some reason the bill passes, wouldn't you like to be one of the voices heard?
Brick Top
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No, that's not true. But unlike you, I am not a dreamer, I am a realist. I combine logic, rationale and facts and that adds up to the truth.
I did not ask what, if any, guarantee would come with signing the petition. I asked if you actually believe that 100,000 people out of 311,000,000 U.S. citizens, or out of 177,777,895 registered U.S. voters would be enough to pressure both Houses of Congress to pass the legislation and then be enough to pressure the president into signing it into law, and then be enough to pressure the legislatures of 50 individual States into passing more legislation that would then have to be written and then pressure 50 Governors all into legalizing cannabis?
Do you believe that those who run this nation and the individual states do not already know that there is a percentage of the population wants legal cannabis? There have been people and organizations arguing for and fighting for legalization for DECADES. I am pretty sure that the government, on all levels, is well aware of the desire we have.
Let's say it passes, then I have to hope my State legalizes it or else what the Feds might do would be utterly worthless to me, unless of course I did move to a State that did legalize it.
And would I care if my; "voice" was one of the 10,000? Why would I? It's not like I would go get a tee shirt made or some button printed up or a hat made saying I AM ONE OF THE 10,000 WHO SIGNED THE PETITION TO LEGALIZE CANNABIS, AREN'T I COOL, AREN'T I SPECIAL, DON'T YOU WANT TO SHAKE MY HAND AND THANK ME?
The results are all that would matter to me, but there is a MUCH greater chance that you will be struck by lightning and live on the same day that you win a $500,000,000.00 Mega-Lottery and when you get home from picking up your check find the Olsen twins and Keira Knightly there waiting for you and they beg you to have a month long four-way with them involving a 55-gallon drum of lubricant and circus equipment than have 10,000 names pressure the entire Congress, the president, 50 individual State legislatures and 50 Governors into legalization.
Wake up and smell the Mango Haze, buddy. 10,000 names will just not make any difference whatsoever.
Man you have a sad poiunt of view. Again this is just a way to get our voices heard. Whatever comes of the bill comes of it. I just don't want to sit back and do nothing about something. Irregaurdless of the out come. The bill is acctually that of a state rep. Us voting for it will help minorly i understand but again I had the chance to voice my opinion and I suggest the same to all of you. No matter what happenns. I had some say in the matter and that makes me feel better than all you who don't. And if it passes I will laugh in your face. The bummer is all these smokers not voicing their opinions shouldn't be allowed to take part in it if it does pass. And there are several rep fighting to overturn the prohibition and that has to count for something. Shot in the dark, yes. Is it worth the hope, well I would say it is. specially if it passes.
Brick Top
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It's not a sad point of view. It's a realistic point of view formed over 44-years of toking and 44-years of seeing/hearing/reading/knowing people like you who get all excited over some impossibility and who try to get others equally excited raising their hopes for nothing.
Thats for the person who wants to vote to decided if worth it or not. Not you.
Brick Top
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Originally Posted by Brick Top
It's not a sad point of view. It's a realistic point of view formed over 44-years of toking and 44-years of seeing/hearing/reading/knowing people like you who get all excited over some impossibility and who try to get others equally excited raising their hopes for nothing.
No one will be voting, it is not a vote, citizens do not vote for/against/on congressional legislation passage. It is a PETITION and only a PETITION that you are attempting to get people to put their names and information on. It is nothing more and it is no where near being a; "vote."
Why do you feel the need to misrepresent the PETITION you are trying to get people to sign as being a; "vote?"
I have been honest all along. Hr 2306 is a bill Rep. Barnie Frank proposed to "introduced", as they put it, on June 23 2011. It's now been refered to the "committee". At popvox.com you "as the public" you can voice your opinion on wheather your for or against the bill. My "hope" is that if enough ppl voted it may help to weigh in. I no it never will but why not voice your opinion. Thats it. All I recall ever stating so where is the mis rep?
KidneyStoner420
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Brick, having that attitude certainly isn't going to get us anywhere either.
Stop being a Debbie downer.
Stop being a Debbie downer.
Brick Top
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Were you being; "honest" when trying to get people to sign the petition you said, in your other thread on this subject, "this is not a petition?"
Brick Top
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There is a difference between being a realist and being insanely overly optimistic, and if you want to call my being a realist being a; "Debbie Downer," then go ahead, have at it. You can be like the OP and have all the little fantasies you want about this if that is what you need.
Hell, I would love to be able to believe in it happening too, and I would love to be able to believe in the tooth fairy, the missile shield and strippers with a heart of gold. But by my very nature I am forced to live within the world of reality rather than fantasy, so I call a spade a spade.
Do you have any idea how many people fully believed that President Carter would push Congress to legalize cannabis? That was thirty-five years ago, and five presidents ago, and it still hasn't happened. Many of us were hoping for it for five, seven to ten or more years prior to that.
In less than two weeks I will turn 57-years old. I do not expect to ever see actual true legalization in my lifetime. Not because I will not join in as a cheerleader for it, but instead because I have seen every attempt made at every level fail, to not even make it out of committee for a full floor vote in even just one of the two Houses of Congress, let alone in both so it could then be sent to a president (or Gov. in the case of State level attempts) so it could be signed into law.
A petition, as we are being asked to sign, even if it reaches the 100,000 name number, will be utterly meaningless and not even in the very slightest of ways be influential to Congress, the president, 50 State legislatures and 50 Governors.
You will see every bit as positive of a response from going to the nearest mall, tossing a penny into the mall fountain and making a wish as you will from signing the petition.
I am really sorry if you, or anyone else, dislikes reality .... but that is the reality of the situation and regardless of what we like to dream in our heads when we think about how we wish things could be, when it comes to actually living our lives, we are forced to live within the narrow confines of reality.