Legalisation: Why The Idea SUCKS

make alcohol illegal and legalize cannabis the world will be a better place. my 0.02$

SlaveNoMore said:

I'm a bit extreme on this one.

I say full legalization or nothing. This back and forth with the federal government is like watching a donkey show in tijuana. Hiding behind the whole "medical" thing will not last folks. The fed will do whatever it wants when it wants. Pot becomes unscheduled, unregulated and gets thrown to the free market for anyone to do with it what they will. I don't believe in compromising with any government over a person's rights to do whatever they please as long as they aren't hurting another person.

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Agreed. Despite all of the possible negative consequences of legalizing marijuana, I'd like to see it grow and evolve into a new and more accepted role in society. Unscheduled, unregulated, uncompromised... We're talking about weed here, not assisted suicide.

Let's patent H2O and O2 and CO2 and Nitrogen and everything else. Screw those idiots.

Fuck that shit, if they can make ten packs with joints in them, then I am 100% for it. But ill expect all those packs to be properly labelled and shit, if there is any GM shit in there then it has to be labelled right? lol. or else I won't buy that gm shit, ill just grow my own...biatches!!! growing weed on my own cuzz its legal? Fuck yea man, why the hell wouldn't I want that to be legal? Id grow that shit around the whole neighbour hood if it was legal. Id put pot plants fucking everywhere, lol, but in hard to reach places, cuzz you know.....

billberry11 said:

make alcohol illegal and legalize cannabis the world will be a better place. my 0.02$

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Not really, alcohol makes you drunk, why would you wanna make that illegal?? Are you crazy!?

KushKrew said:

Hey All,

Well I know I'm going against the grain here...

Legalisation of reefer? Guys, have you been paying attention to what happens with commercial crops? Have you noticed how hard it is to find non-GM food?

Reefer treated like big business is a SHIT idea. You think you'll survive as a grower when competing with guys that have many many acres of mechanised land?

Second, once legal, it'll be open for modification by assholes like Montsanto and their trans-gene technology.

Quality control my ass, we'll have all sorts of impurities, I'm willing to wager the first thing companies will do is try make it addictive, it's good money.

Why do we not trust ourselves, the underground? Reefer is in good hands. We are taking care of it like nothing else on this planet has been taken care of. We have advanced the plant, we have a RELATIONSHIP with it.

So fucking what if they want to persecute us for it, at least they're not gassing us like they did to people for simply having a religion a while ago. They drag us through court and try break us by taking all our money. Well do this shit right and there's enough money to fight back.

Legalisation is a way to get us to roll over.

Just my 2 cents on the topic, but as far as reefer goes, the last hands I want to see it in, is government.

Surge

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Your just a Black market monger growing for Profit and don't really care except about yourself.

im for legalization 100% I want everyone growing this magical herb and partaking in its greatness!

Feds will fight legalization to the death because hemp means so much more than people getting high. Legal hemp will be real competition to the oil, chemical, timber, liquor, and pharmaceutical industries. They're all barely hiding behind the gateway theory of MJ dragging our children to the needle and tearing at the fabric of American society. We all know that shit ain't true, but they can get it passed the ignorant masses with the bought and paid for media. I believe the entire war on drugs is specifically waged to keep this competition down.

i dont feel like getting arrested or even harrassed for growing a plant in my back yard. so i would like for it to be legal to do as i am over the age of 21 and an adult. but you guys are forgetting, not only would there be markets selling weed and packs of joints like cigs but what about the seed banks. there would be a larger market selling seed strains. thats where the money will be.

jumping in late but im with you OP. unless it can stay out of the commercial zone, which it wont, we shouldnt do it.

ILoveYouSweetLeaf said:

tend to agree with you on how companies will try to dominate it add shit to it.

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"So fucking what if they want to persecute us for it"

will you say the same thing if you are behind thick steel bars?

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we are only behind bars because we allow such...
we allow them to outlaw nature...
i have walked into fed court with 100,000+ very illegal cannabis seeds and also walked out with the same seeds after 3+ years of back and forth over what is constitutional and what isnt etc...
we are all born with certain unalienable rights, the problem is that 'we' really dont believe that any more and so 'we' are unable to hold that position where and when it counts be that in court or wherever...

https://www.rollitup.org/legalization-marijuana/729676-feds-contemplate-new-laws-regulate.html#post9646724

https://www.rollitup.org/politics/602854-monsanto-cannabis-yes-no-dna.html

DNAprotection said:

we are only behind bars because we allow such...
we allow them to outlaw nature...
i have walked into fed court with 100,000+ very illegal cannabis seeds and also walked out with the same seeds after 3+ years of back and forth over what is constitutional and what isnt etc...
we are all born with certain unalienable rights, the problem is that 'we' really dont believe that any more and so 'we' are unable to hold that position where and when it counts be that in court or wherever...

https://www.rollitup.org/legalization-marijuana/729676-feds-contemplate-new-laws-regulate.html#post9646724

https://www.rollitup.org/politics/602854-monsanto-cannabis-yes-no-dna.html

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Oh yeah.. I simply allowed myself to be locked up over a gram of weed, not once but twice.. silly lil old.me.. should of told the cops i was standing up for my rights and that I wouldn't allow them to arrest me.. yeah OK..

And I agree.. just legalize the shit already.. stop playing games with the med stuff and just reschedule it..
If you're afraid of the evil empire, Monsanto, stockpile genetics now and you won't have to worry about outside sources.. simple is simple..

racerboy71 said:

Oh yeah.. I simply allowed myself to be locked up over a gram of weed, not once but twice.. silly lil old.me.. should of told the cops i was standing up for my rights and that I wouldn't allow them to arrest me.. yeah OK..

And I agree.. just legalize the shit already.. stop playing games with the med stuff and just reschedule it..
If you're afraid of the evil empire, Monsanto, stockpile genetics now and you won't have to worry about outside sources.. simple is simple..

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did you plead guilty?

Free market forces will prevail once legalized. Lower costs, better quality. If big growers mess it up, nobody will buy, problem solved. We can still grow our own. Seeds are everywhere.

JackTheBongRipper said:

Free market forces will prevail once legalized. Lower costs, better quality. If big growers mess it up, nobody will buy, problem solved. We can still grow our own. Seeds are everywhere.

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yikes thats a bit like adding numbers and getting the wrong total cuz forgot to add in some of the numbers...

firstly there is no 'free market', its all entirely controlled by a host of different mechanisms, not the least of which are subsidies...(go say that 'free market' thing to a family farmer and see what happens)

secondly,'nobody will buy it', thats assuming a lot...what if corps created gov approved is the only legal weed and seed?

i'm not sure you really understand where you live bro...we ain't in Kansas any more...

KushKrew said:

Hey All,

Well I know I'm going against the grain here...

Legalisation of reefer? Guys, have you been paying attention to what happens with commercial crops? Have you noticed how hard it is to find non-GM food?

Reefer treated like big business is a SHIT idea. You think you'll survive as a grower when competing with guys that have many many acres of mechanised land?

Second, once legal, it'll be open for modification by assholes like Montsanto and their trans-gene technology.

Quality control my ass, we'll have all sorts of impurities, I'm willing to wager the first thing companies will do is try make it addictive, it's good money.

Why do we not trust ourselves, the underground? Reefer is in good hands. We are taking care of it like nothing else on this planet has been taken care of. We have advanced the plant, we have a RELATIONSHIP with it.

So fucking what if they want to persecute us for it, at least they're not gassing us like they did to people for simply having a religion a while ago. They drag us through court and try break us by taking all our money. Well do this shit right and there's enough money to fight back.

Legalisation is a way to get us to roll over.

Just my 2 cents on the topic, but as far as reefer goes, the last hands I want to see it in, is government.

Surge

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solution - be one of the assholes with the big crops and implement your own quality standards.

DNAprotection said:

yikes thats a bit like adding numbers and getting the wrong total cuz forgot to add in some of the numbers...

firstly there is no 'free market', its all entirely controlled by a host of different mechanisms, not the least of which are subsidies...(go say that 'free market' thing to a family farmer and see what happens)

secondly,'nobody will buy it', thats assuming a lot...what if corps created gov approved is the only legal weed and seed?

i'm not sure you really understand where you live bro...we ain't in Kansas any more...

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Oh boy. I think you're mistaken. Yes, amendment 64 in Colorado legalized weed, and made some conditions on it. But the point is it will be available to be sold to the general public, 21 and over, residents of Colorado. That's not an "entirely controlled" market. That's people who either will put down their money, generating tax dollars, or they won't. Market forces. It will depend on availability, quality, price, etc. Those are the market forces. Once they are in action there will be greedy city councils that will try to overtax it, and there will be prudent city councils that will see an opportunity to get tax revenue from surrounding counties that tax higher than they do. The whole situation will take time to level out, but the market forces will be the determining factor. Unless they try to criminalize it again, then the black market will set in with it's own forces. Lower quality, more expensive due to the risk factor.

DNAprotection said:

secondly,'nobody will buy it', thats assuming a lot...what if corps created gov approved is the only legal weed and seed?

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Government approved? What? It's not approved now and you can still get it on the black market almost everywhere. If they did something so stupid it would go underground again, very simple. Although, nobody is accounting for the fact that you can't put the genie back in the bottle. Once it's legal and working in one state it will spread to others like medical marijuana did. Can't stop it really.

JackTheBongRipper said:

Oh boy. I think you're mistaken. Yes, amendment 64 in Colorado legalized weed, and made some conditions on it. But the point is it will be available to be sold to the general public, 21 and over, residents of Colorado. That's not an "entirely controlled" market. That's people who either will put down their money, generating tax dollars, or they won't. Market forces. It will depend on availability, quality, price, etc. Those are the market forces. Once they are in action there will be greedy city councils that will try to overtax it, and there will be prudent city councils that will see an opportunity to get tax revenue from surrounding counties that tax higher than they do. The whole situation will take time to level out, but the market forces will be the determining factor. Unless they try to criminalize it again, then the black market will set it with it's own forces. Lower quality, more expensive due to the risk factor.



Government approved? What? It's not approved now and you can still get it on the black market almost everywhere. If they did something so stupid it would go underground again, very simple. Although, nobody is accounting for the fact that you can't put the genie back in the bottle. Once it's legal and working in one state it will spread to others like medical marijuana did. Can't stop it really.

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pretty sure all congress has to do is simply allow for individual state laws under the condition that the only cannabis 'cultivars' legal under each state law would be FDA approved /registered/permitted etc and i'm guessing that there would be some mechanism which would give genetically engineered plants the exclusive advantage within that process...just my opinion...and considering that Monsanto has done gene ohm mapping of cannabis under fed anti-bio-terrorism programs (at least) it seems they might be plenty ready for such a change in the law that in my opinion they are pushing hard for under the radar...

further if folks suddenly had a choice between further oppression and going to jail etc or just using legal gmo weed i think most would choose the road not leading to jail...

You make a good point. Someone would choose a legal option over an illegal one in most cases. Especially as time progresses. Right now most people would have no problem doing illegal things to get weed because that's what most people are used to, but once there's a legal option you give them a choice. And as time goes by people become accustomed to doing things in a comfortable way, not a way that discomforts them.

My problem is that you seem to think there's an evil cabal of Monsanto and senators or congressmen/women that are trying to poison us or something.

[h=1]‘Monsanto Protection Act’ Killed In Senate: Controversial Provision Removed From Spending Bill[/h]
They don't seem to have as much influence as you suspect.

Right now the current administration has signaled that the federal justice department won't interfere with state laws, barring several pretty sensible conditions. Such as no growing in national forests, no going over state lines, no selling or advertising to minors, etc. All very wise decisions as I saw it.

They would have to go back on some of these decisions to "control" it as you think. States are pretty much doing their own thing right now and the federal government has to deal with it. They don't have the money or the manpower to go into every state and enforce a laundry list of conflicting laws, depending on the state, to try to enforce a single standard. It's practically and economically impossible.

I think we can agree that we both love the fact that the federal government is somewhat befuddled right now. Their response has been less than draconian.

bro i didn't use that word 'evil', its not a word i use...im sorry if what i wrote led you or anyone else to interpret that...
and no one loves 'befuddling' gov more than me im guessing...(so we certainly agree on that)
but to me its all just big business plain and simple...

"They would have to go back on some of these decisions to "control" it as you think. States are pretty much doing their own thing right now and the federal government has to deal with it."

policy is not law...gov flip flops on policy whenever necessary or convenient etc, but all policy goes out the window when an authoritative law is passed which supplants any given policy...
please dont get the impression that im trying to argue here with you because im not, im just stating my opinion based on my own experience etc...

DNAprotection said:

bro i didn't use that word 'evil', its not a word i use...im sorry if what i wrote led you or anyone else to interpret that...
and no one loves 'befuddling' gov more than me im guessing...(so we certainly agree on that)
but to me its all just big business plain and simple...

"They would have to go back on some of these decisions to "control" it as you think. States are pretty much doing their own thing right now and the federal government has to deal with it."

policy is not law...gov flip flops on policy whenever necessary or convenient etc, but all policy goes out the window when an authoritative law is passed which supplants any given policy...
please dont get the impression that im trying to argue here with you because im not, im just stating my opinion based on my own experience etc...

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Well yeah, we're both doing that. And I think it's funny we're arguing in two different threads right now. High five.

Government does flip flop, but right now, in real life, the response has not been negative. You're worrying about what-ifs in the future, but right now I'm telling you the reality is the government is relaxing laws. Why can't you enjoy that based on very recent history?

The wheel turns, sure, but it always keeps on turning. Whatever nightmare scenario you envisage will still change eventually.

I know you didn't use the word evil, I just like to embellish things.