Fogdog
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When do you see ability to consent as out of the question for a child.-- three? five? eight? Do you thing a two year old is able to consent?
Legal to grow and possess illegal to sell
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Harrekin
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A thirteen year old is hardly a two year old...I don't think kids should have sex but claiming teens for example are incapable of understanding the complexities of sexual relationships is ridiculous.
They may think they're immune to the "negatives", but they still understand them.
Rob Roy is stating there is a difference between the legal age of consent and the age a person can "consciously agree to" an act.
For example, two 17 year olds are in a relationship, they were able to consent freely but one turns 18...
Does it magically become statutory rape?
ChesusRice
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Uhm. No
Rob Roy
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If you want to discuss consent that's fine. Sooner or later I'd rather return the conversation to a more generic discussion of consent in terms of what consent itself is and not the various acts that seem to remain in the minds of the trolling jackals and prohibitionists etc.
The original diversion here, has been entertaining, but it's getting a little weather beaten. When the topic first came up a few months back when Uncle Buck and I were fucking with each other I had a point to make about consent in general, but again the topic ran a little off course. I am partially to blame for that.
To answer your question, I do not think a child possesses the wherewithal that they will likely develop later on in life. So in that regard, generally speaking the younger a person is, the more likely that individual is unable to fully understand the consequences or particulars of what they might be agreeing to or engaging in. I say agreeing, because if they are young enough that they are unable to understand the consequences, their "agreement" may not be actual consent.
If you were asking about when a person can consent to a sexual relation, I'd say the older a person is the more likely they can give real and bonafide consent. I do not think that age is universal for everyone as some people remain in a retarded or undeveloped physical and mental state longer than others, . My personal feelings are I am uncomfortable with a large age discrepancy among people in sexual relationships, but that may be due, at least in part, by cultural learned behavior.
What do you think? Does the ability to consent happen magically at the same time for every person or does it develop at different rates in individual people?
When do you think you acquired the wherewithal to consent to a sexual relationship, how old were you?
Rob Roy
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Thank you. It's refreshing to read something posted by a person of your intelligence and ability to decipher the conversation in the proper context.
It's also possible that a person could be legally old enough to consent to sex and yet still be incapable of knowing what the fuck they are getting into. I heard there was a guy, aged 17 I think, that was so mentally deranged, rather than seeking the companionship of young ladies, a big night out for him was defecating on the floor of a public restroom.
Rob Roy
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I apologize. Most adults take some kind of responsibility for their own maintenance, I may have subconsciously assigned you some kind of "child like" status based on your lack of independence.
I do not harbor perverted lolbertarian fantasies, but if I did, would you wear your fedora?
londonfog
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Do you also feel a pedophile still has the right to live next to a elementary, middle or high school
Rob Roy
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If a person creates a victim by their actions, one question I would ask would be, Did the person restitute the victim?
When a person makes full restitution to their victim, wouldn't further penalty be a form of victimizing the original criminal?
I do have concerns about the perverts that administer and work within the various schools, but certainly I'd not want my kids in a potentially dangerous situation. So, if I knew there was a danger in the neighborhood, I'd give some thought to how to deal with it.
Sorry, I see you intended that question for Harrekin, I guess I answered reflexively.
abandonconflict
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Chill out, it ain't date night.
Rob Roy
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I can dream, sweetheart.
ChesusRice
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londonfog
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you do realize that was a yes or no question.
Do you think a pedophile has the right to live next to a elementary, middle, or high school
Grandpapy
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The poor 14 yr girl old didn't stand a chance of consenting.......Mother had no part in the situation.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/19-year-spend-25-years-registered-sex-offender/story?id=32783206
But, laws are laws, and some Judges are just lazy.
ChesusRice
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That's bullshit.
The governor should give him a full pardon
Grandpapy
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Thats bullshit, the publics moneys has been wasted, The Judge should be fired! But thats just my opinion.
ChesusRice
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Anyways
In States where currently prohibited
The fastest way to legalization is
Legal to possess And grow Illegal to sell
In States where currently prohibited
The fastest way to legalization is
Legal to possess And grow Illegal to sell
londonfog
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The guy should have took this to jury trial. Looks as though he pleaded guilty. The judge shitted on him
Grandpapy
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I agree with you under the current profit motivated environment, that may be the fastest way to legalization.
Anyways......sorry, just had to throw in my 2cents.
ChesusRice
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It's not the profit aspect. It just complicates things. And a lot of the people who would oppose sales would have no problem with personal use
And look what they did in Arizona
You cannot grow within 25 miles of a dispensary
UncleBuck
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Why do you refuse to say that 9 year olds cannot consent to sex with an adult?