Left out constitutional challenge

GrowRock

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smoked way to much blue cheese and Skywalker tonight and got to thinking if the mmpr was found unconstitutional.. Shouldn't the people who were forced into an unconstitutional program by there government be able to form a class action. I am not a left out nor a lawyer so. Please discuss peace
 

VIANARCHRIS

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I'm not sure of the legal ins and outs, but in a perfect world patients should be entitled to some compensation for the extra costs. The left outs forced to use LP's and 'the included' who could not move their gardens both deserve to be reimbursed, but I don't think it's going to happen. I hate to think of what it cost me to travel 75 minutes each way to tend to mine.
 

bcbreeder

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Well it would be an interesting class action, but class action lawyers typically only represent
Slam dunk cases.
I would save the legal rumbling to putting together a save your mmpr ass grow your own paperwork kit
For your mmpr grow your own while we wait for the new regs
Nice original or notarized copy of your current mmpr script,
Copy of old mmar plant count calculator,
Copies of relevant sections of the allard decision,
All nicely on display should there ever be a popo drop by to check out your grow with a warrant,
Waive your right to remain silent and argue with the cop that no charges will stick
Amd crown wont pursue a case bla bla,
If you get charged anyways,
Start a constitutional challenge which wont see the light of day
Keep tousaw on speedial
 

JungleStrikeGuy

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smoked way to much blue cheese and Skywalker tonight and got to thinking if the mmpr was found unconstitutional.. Shouldn't the people who were forced into an unconstitutional program by there government be able to form a class action. I am not a left out nor a lawyer so. Please discuss peace
When filing a Charter challenge, it's about the laws and how they affect the citizenry, and not based on the effect alone.

So now that the MMPR has fallen, if I understand you correctly you're wanting to propose an action that would say 'the govt as found to have acted unconstitutionally in this situation, so am I entitled to damages?'


As far as civil litigation, that's not my strong suit when it comes to Canadian law. But the threshold for something like the privacy-breaking mailouts is much different than the MMAR being 'retired' and the MMPR coming in.


In the case of the mailout, specific privacy breaches (similar to the student loans privacy breach) were alleged (and in my view sustained), so that was kind of a no brainer. In the case of the MMPR, at the time, there was no findings of a 'right' to grow or that the MMPR was unconstitutional, so there's really nothing to go after here.


Keep in mind that the legal system is about balance, which goes back to what I've said about the injunction, that in Manson's view it was not meant to cover everyone who was losing their grow, but to strike a balance that would not upset the balance of convenience. Most of the reason behind that being it was pre-trial.


Now that we're at the point where it's on the government to fix it, a remedy of all approved MMAR patients being allowed to grow regardless of location seems reasonable, where it may not have in a pre-trial situation.
 

jafro daweedhound

Well-Known Member
Well it would be an interesting class action, but class action lawyers typically only represent
Slam dunk cases.
I would save the legal rumbling to putting together a save your mmpr ass grow your own paperwork kit
For your mmpr grow your own while we wait for the new regs
Nice original or notarized copy of your current mmpr script,
Copy of old mmar plant count calculator,
Copies of relevant sections of the allard decision,
All nicely on display should there ever be a popo drop by to check out your grow with a warrant,
Waive your right to remain silent and argue with the cop that no charges will stick
Amd crown wont pursue a case bla bla,
If you get charged anyways,
Start a constitutional challenge which wont see the light of day
Keep tousaw on speedial
Very good advice.
If the worse should happen let people know here and I for one will do what I can to help...
 

GrowRock

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When filing a Charter challenge, it's about the laws and how they affect the citizenry, and not based on the effect alone.

So now that the MMPR has fallen, if I understand you correctly you're wanting to propose an action that would say 'the govt as found to have acted unconstitutionally in this situation, so am I entitled to damages?'


As far as civil litigation, that's not my strong suit when it comes to Canadian law. But the threshold for something like the privacy-breaking mailouts is much different than the MMAR being 'retired' and the MMPR coming in.


In the case of the mailout, specific privacy breaches (similar to the student loans privacy breach) were alleged (and in my view sustained), so that was kind of a no brainer. In the case of the MMPR, at the time, there was no findings of a 'right' to grow or that the MMPR was unconstitutional, so there's really nothing to go after here.


Keep in mind that the legal system is about balance, which goes back to what I've said about the injunction, that in Manson's view it was not meant to cover everyone who was losing their grow, but to strike a balance that would not upset the balance of convenience. Most of the reason behind that being it was pre-trial.


Now that we're at the point where it's on the government to fix it, a remedy of all approved MMAR patients being allowed to grow regardless of location seems reasonable, where it may not have in a pre-trial situation.

I see what you're saying. But from what I read on pages 20 & 21 of the Allard judgement.The wording sounds like Canda knew that the MMPR was going to infringe on our constitutional rights from viewing prior court rulings but still went ahead with the mmpr regardless. Fully aware of the Charter violations...Just my understanding
 
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JungleStrikeGuy

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I see what you're saying. But from what I read on pages 20 & 21 of the Allard judgement.The wording sounds like Canda knew that the MMPR was going to infringe on our constitutional rights from viewing prior court rulings but still went ahead with the mmpr regardless. Fully aware of the Charter violations...Just my understanding
Yep, this is actually an interesting point as it's been brought up in court (the case name escapes me atm) in that a plaintiff asked the court to impose sanctions of some nature for knowingly passing non-compliant legislation, and as far as I remember that was rejected.

Given a justice department lawyer leaked that Nicholson would basically rubber stamp anything even if it had a 97% chance of being unconstitutional, there's certainly fault to be found with him and the department, it'd be interesting to see if there's a civil angle to pursue (I kind of doubt it but again pretty fuzzy on the civil area of law as it pertains to Canada).

But in the context of a straight 'constitutional challenge', there's really nothing to challenge, as the regulations that caused the harm are now of no force and effect,and you're into the area of liability which is definitely in the civil sphere.
 

Gquebed

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Harper was a bully. He bullied everybody and everything all his way to the PMs office. And while in office he bullied everybody there too. He got used to getting his way and he tried to bully the courts on several occasions.

That worked to some degree in the lower courts. When some of his issues ended up in the big leagues (supreme court) he found out very quickly that this judicial arm of government is a very independant arm, as is was always intended. Bullying his minions to write bad law only to have it overturned on more than one occasion.

This occassion was the best one. And i am sure the Supreme Court thoroughly enjoyed burning him on it.
 
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