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This Grow strarted in August with some seeds from attitude. Started with a 4' flor. Hood with 2 grow bulbs and a hand full of CFL's. Was adding more and more CFL's form soft white to daylight spectrum. We stumbled across a LED grow and saw that the yeild was very close if not better than HPS with only 20-30% of the cost. We Fab together a LED hood with 250 bulbs 40% blue 40% red and 20% uv were getting roughly 1.6-1.7 million lumen intensity (MCD) off of a 12 volt 75 watt power supply There is only 3 weeks left in flowering on the plant shown with the cola that is the 1024 medical she smell intoxicating the othere pic isnt very good but it is of the Alaskan Ice she is starting here flowering stage nicely. We have them staggerd since its only for personal smoke and not sell so we dont really need a massive crop. And its fun to watch then grow like a kid not a sweat shop
 

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PLease feel free to post opinons an or comments, advise or what ever. The more of you there areposting the more it makes me want to take those pics and post them. HOPE YOU ENJOY
 

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Perfect 10mm LED replacement bulbs for those small DYI mod jobs. Specifications:
  • Typical Voltage (vf): 3.0-3.6
  • Current (mA): 20
  • Luminous Intensity (mcd): 11,000-13,000
  • View Angle (degrees): 11
  • Wavelength (nm):465-470
 

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Perfect 10mm LED replacement bulbs for those small DYI mod jobs. Specifications:
  • Voltage (v): 1.9 -2.1
  • Luminous Intensity: 2,500-3,000 MCD
  • View Angle: 18-20
  • Wavelength: 625-630nm
 

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thats the red and here is the uv
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Perfect 10mm LED replacement bulbs for those small DYI mod jobs. Specifications:
  • Voltage (v): 3.2-3.4
  • Luminous Intensity: 150-300 MCD
  • View Angle:18-20
  • Wavelength: 400-410nm
 

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I hope to order the whites when they are in stock
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Perfect 10mm LED replacement bulbs for those small DYI mod jobs. Specifications:
  • Voltage (vf): 3.0-3.6
  • Current (mA): 20
  • Luminous Intensity (MCD): 10,000 - 25,000
  • View Angle (degrees): 15
  • Wavelength (k): 5000-8000
 

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So I took that 11-13,000 and times it by 100 cause thats how many blues i have which is 1,100,000 - 1,300,000 just off those blues then add the 100 red @ 2500-3000 250,000 - 300,000 then those little uv 50 @ 150-300 12,500 - 15,000 so 1,475,000 - 1,615,000 Ok so i was wrong only 1.4-1.6 million my mistake i will edit the opening post right now.
 

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Notes on LEDs

LED Parts


LEDs come in all shapes and sizes, but the 3mm T-1 or 5mm T-1¾ are probably the most common.
The die is an itty bitty cube of semiconductor, the composition of which determines the color of the light given off. It sits in the bottom of the die cup, which has reflective sides to reflect the light emitted by the die toward the dome end of the LED. The epoxy body is shaped to act as an inclusion lens and focus the light into a beam. The distance from the die cup to the domed end of the lens determines how tightly focused is the resulting beam of light. Some LEDs have flat or even concave ends to dispurse the light into a wide beam. LED Color

Visible LEDs


Wavelength
nmColor
NameColor
Sampleover 1100Infrared 770-1100Longwave NIR 770-700Shortwave NIR 700-640Red 640-625Orange-Red 625-615Orange 615-600Amber 600-585Yellow 585-555Yellow-Green 555-520Green 520-480Blue-Green 480-450Blue 450-430Indigo 430-395Violet 395-320UV-A 320-280UV-B 280-100UV-C LED colors are often given in "nm", or nanometers, which is the wavelength of the light. The wavelength given is the wavelength of the peak output - LEDs are not perfectly monochromatic, but rather produce wavelengths over a small region of the spectrum. The graph on the left shows color vs. intensity for a typical green LED - the peak is at about 565 nm, but it is emitting light over a range of about 520 nm to 610 nm. Spectral line half-width is the width of this curve at 50% intensity (0.5 on the Y-axis) - for this LED, it is about 30 nm - and is a measure of the "purity" (monochromaticity) of the color.
Notice the temperature given in the upper right corner of the graph - LEDs emit slightly different colors at different temperatures. They also emit different colors at different currents, especially white LEDs which depend on phosphors to change the colored light of the die to white light. Infrared LEDs


The infrared band can be divided into Near Infrared (NIR) and Far Infrared (IR). Far infrared is the thermal infrared used to detect hot objects or see heat leaks in buildings, and is way beyond the range of LEDs. (NIR can be further divided into two bands, longwave and shortwave NIR, based on how film and CCD cameras react, which I'll get into elsewhere, elsewhen, and elsewhy.)
Infrared LEDs are sometimes called IREDs (Infra Red Emitting Diodes). Ultraviolet LEDs


Ultraviolet light is divided into three bands: UV-A, which is fairly innocuous; UV-B, which causes sunburns; and UV-C, which kills things. Most UV-B and all UV-C from the sun is filtered out by the ozone layer, so we get very little of it naturally. LEDs emit UV-A.
400 nm is a pretty common wavelength for UV LEDs. This is right on the border between the violet and ultraviolet, so a significant portion of the light emitted is visible. For this reason 400 nm UV LEDs are sometimes rated in millicandela, even though as much as half of their energy is invisible. LEDs with lower wavelengths, such as 380nm, are usually not rated in millicandela, but in milliwatts.
DO NOT STARE INTO AN ULTRAVIOLET LED. White LEDs


White light is a mixture of all the colors. Color Temperature is a measure of the relative amounts of red or blue - higher color temperatures have more blue.
Color
TemperatureExample2000°Gaslight2470°15 watt incandescent bulb2565°60 watt incandescent bulb2665°100 watt incandescent bulb2755°500 watt incandescent bulb2900°500 watt Krypton bulb3100°Projector type filament bulb3250°Photo Flood3400°Halogen3900°Carbon arc4200°Moonlight4700°Industrial smog5100°Hazy weather5500°Sun 30° above horizon6100°Sun 50° above horizon6700°Electronic Flash7400°Overcast sky8300°Foggy weather30,000°Blue sky
Remember that this is a measure of color, not brightness, so don't freak out because moonlight is "hotter" than a carbon arc! It just means that the color is bluer, that's all.
White LEDs have a color temperature, but monochromatic LEDs do not. LED Brightness


The total power radiated as light is radiant power or radiant flux, and is measured in watts. How bright the object appears, however, will depend on two additional factors:
  • how much radiant flux is emitted toward the observer; and
  • how sensitive the observer is to the wavelength(s) of the light.
To quantify the first, we must introduce the concept of the steradian, a solid (3-D) angle. Think of a cone with the apex at the emitter.
If the radiant flux of a source is radiated uniformly in all directions, the radiant intensity will be simply the total radiant flux divided by 12.57 (4π) steradians, the solid angle of a complete sphere. In the case of LEDs, the radiant flux is usually concentrated into a beam, however, so the radiant intensity will be the radiant flux divided by the solid angle of the beam. Beam angles are usually expressed in degrees, while radiant intensity is usually expressed in mW/sr, making a conversion from beam angle to steradians necessary:
sr = 2 π (1 - cos(θ/2)) where sr is the solid angle in steradians, and θ is the beam angle.



38-11 Illumination
We have defined the intensity of light and other electromagnetic radiation as power per unit area, measured in watts per square meter. Similarly, the total rate of radiation of energy from any of the sources of light discussed in Sec. 38-2 is called the radiant power or radiant flux, measured in watts. These quantities are not adequate to measure the visual sensation of brightness, however, for two reasons: First, not all the radiation from a source lies in the visible spectrum; and ordinary incandescent light bulb radiates more energy in the infrared than in the visible spectrum. Second, the eye is not equally sensitive to all wavelengths; a bulb emitting 1 watt of yellow light appears brighter than one emitting one watt of blue light.
The quantity analogous to radiant power, but compensated to include the above effects, is called luminous flux denoted by F. The unit of luminous flux is the lumen, abbreviated lm, defined as that quantity of light emitted by 1/60 cm² surface area of pure platinum at its melting temperature (about 1770°C), within a solid angle of 1 steradian (1 sr). As an example, the total light output (luminous flux) of a 40-watt incandescent light bulb is about 500 lm, while that of a 40-watt fluorescent tube is about 2300 lm.
When luminous flux strikes a surface, the surface is said to be illuminated. The intensity of illumination, analogous to the intensity of electromagnetic radiation (which is power per unit area) is the luminous flux per unit area, called the illuminance, denoted by E. The unit of illuminance is the lumen per square meter, also called the lux:
1 lux = 1 lm/m²
An older unit, the lumen per square foot, or foot-candle, has become obsolete. If luminous flux F falls at a normal incidence on an area A, the illuminance E is given by
E = F ÷ A
Most light sources do not radiate equally in all directions; it is useful to have a quantity that describes the intensity of a source in a specific direction, without using any specific distance from the source. We place the source at the center of an imaginary sphere of radius R. A small area A of the sphere subtends a solid angle [omega] given by [omega]=A÷R². If the luminous flux passing through this area is F, we define the luminous intensity I in the direction of the area as
I = F ÷ [omega]
The unit of luminous intensity is one lumen per steradian, also called one candela, abbreviated cd:
1 cd = 1 lm/sr
The term "luminous intensity" is somewhat misleading. The usual usage of intensity connotes power per unit area, and the intensity of radiation from a point source decreases as the square of distance. Luminous intensity, however, is flux per unit solid angle, not per unit area, and the luminous intensity of a source in a particular direction does not decrease with increasing distance.
EXAMPLE: A certain 100-watt bulb emits a total luminous flux of 1200 lm, distributed uniformly over a hemisphere. Find the illuminance and the luminous intensity at a distance of 1 m, and at 5 m.
SOLUTION: The area of a half-sphere of radius 1 m is
(2[pi])(1 m)² = 6.28 m²
The illuminance at 1 m is
E = 1200 lm ÷ 6.28 m² = 191 lm/m² = 191 lux
Similarly the illuminance at 5 m is
E = 1200 lm ÷ 157 m² = 7.64 lm/m² = 7.64 lux
This is smaller by a factor of 5² than the illuminance at 1 m, and illustrates the inverse-square law for illuminance from a point source.
The solid angle subtended by a hemisphere is 2[pi] sr. The luminous intensity is
I = 1200 lm ÷ 2[pi] sr = 191 lm/sr = 191 cd. The luminous intensity does not depend on distance.
There. Now, isn't that better? Would you like an asprin? LED Brightness - IR and UV LEDs


Question: How bright is an IR LED?
Answer: 0 mcd.
Editorial Comment: Duh.
Since candela and lumen are units that are adjusted to compensate for the varying sensitivity of the human eye to different wavelengths, and IR and UV are totally invisible (by definition) to the human eye, all IR and UV LEDs are automatically zero lumens and zero mcd. These units of measure, used for visible-light LEDs, can't be used for UV and IR LEDs (despite the "3000 mcd IR LED" currently on eBay).
IR and UV LEDs are measured in watts for radiant flux and watts/steradian for radiant intensity. A fairly typical "bright" IR LED will put out about 27 mW/sr, though they go up to 250 mW/sr or so. Signaling LEDs, like for TV remotes, are considerably less powerful.
HOWEVER - keep in mind that LEDs are not perfectly monochromatic. If their peak output is close to the visible spectrum, then their bandwidth may overlap the visible spectrum enough to be visible as a dim cherry-red light. Furthermore, some people can see further into the red region than can others, seeing as deep-red colors that to others are invisible infrared. While it would be possible to give such an LED a rating in millicandella, it would be misleading.
This dim red glow, by the way, is often claimed - wrongly - to differentiate good illumination IR LEDs from much dimmer IR LEDs. Which LED is better for such a purpose is totally dependant on the wavelength at which the receiver is most sensitive. Using LEDs


As a rule of thumb, different color LEDs require different forward voltages to operate - red LEDs take the least, and as the color moves up the color spectrum toward blue, the voltage requirement increases. Typically, a red LED requires about 2 volts, while blue LEDs require around 4 volts. Typical LEDs, however, require 20 to 30 mA of current, regardless of their voltage requirements. The table on the left shows how much current a typical red LED will draw at various voltages.
Notice that this LED draws no current under 1.7 volts; the LED is "off". Between 1.7 volts and about 1.95 volts, the "dynamic resistance", the ratio of voltage to current, decreases to 4 ohms. Above 1.95 volts, the LED is fully "on", and dynamic resistance remains constant. Dynamic resistance differs from resistance in that the curve isn't linear. Just remember that this non-linear relationship between voltage and current means that Ohm's Law doesn't work for LEDs.
Notice how steep the slope is - almost vertical. LEDs have a much more vertical slope than do normal diodes (but not as bad as laser diodes).This means that a tiny increase in voltage can produce a large increase current, and lots of smoke. In the above-mentioned LED, 2 volts is required to drive the LED properly, but as little as 2.04 volts could destroy it. To keep the current down to a reasonable level, a series resistor must be included in the circuit.
The formula for calculating the value of the series resistor is:
Rseries = (V - Vf) / If
where Rseries is the resistor value in ohms, V is the supply voltage, Vf is the voltage drop across the LED, and If is the current the LED should see.
For example, the above LED would run very nicely off 12 volts with a 500 ohm series resistor. Since 500 ohms is an odd value, you could do almost as well with a 470 ohm resistor, which would let the LED draw 21 mA.
You can use a single resistor to control the current to a series of LEDs, in which case Vf is the total voltage drop across all the LEDs. You can sometimes get away with using a single resistor to control the current to a group of LEDs in parallel, but it's not generally a good idea - if there is any variation in the LEDs, they won't each draw the same current, resulting in differences in brightness - or in smoke. Is A Series Resistor Really Necessary?


In a word, no. However, neither is a seat belt. Both are "cheap insurance" against disaster.
A series resistor is not necessary if the voltage can be regulated to match the LEDs Vf. One way to do this is to match a battery to the LEDs. If your LED's Vf is 1.2 volts, you can string ten of them (10 x 1.2v = 12v) in series and power them from a 12 volt battery with no series resistor.
However, you must be sure that the battery is capable of supplying the expected voltage - not only do batteries often supply a bit more than the rated voltage (a "12v" car battery for example, reaches 13.8v at full charge), but different types of batteries have different internal resistance, which results in different voltage "sag" under different load conditions.
A friend of mine gave a good example of this problem in an email a while ago.
My "Tri-Star Phazer" LED flashlight has 1 ohm resistors in series with each of its three diodes, both for the "operating voltage range" issue that you mentioned, and so that nickle-metal-hydride or NiCad batteries can be used in it. The original design had no resistors. The designer found that the voltage from four normal alkaline "C" batteries, even though their no-load voltage is a full 1.5 volts as opposed to only 1.2 volts from NiCads and NiMH's, will decrease under load to the safe operating voltage of the LED's, because of the alkaline battery's higher internal resistance. But when he tried loading the flashlight with NiMH or NiCad batteries, all three LED's smoked nearly instantly. The rechargeable batteries put out less no-load voltage, but their internal resistance is so low that under the load of the three LED's, the batteries don't "sag" nearly as much as the alkalines will, resulting in a higher voltage across the LED's and their quick destruction. So, he added the resistors.
Here is a small table giving typical internal resistances of different types of battery. Notice how the alkaline AA battery has five times the internal resistance of the NiMH AA battery, and how the alkaline D battery has eleven times the internal resistance of the NiCad D battery.
Battery TypeInternal Resistance
(Ohms)9V Zinc-Carbon359V Lithium16-189V Alkaline1-2AA Alkaline0.15AA NiMH0.03D Alkaline0.10D NiCad0.009D Lead-Acid0.006Note: internal resistances shown above are at full charge and room temperature.

Also, as the battery discharges, the voltage will drop significantly. Because of the steep voltage/current curve (see the graph under "Using LEDs" above), small changes in voltage will result in large changes in current.
Adding resistance to the circuit will help stabilize the voltage across the LED. In a sense, an LED and resistor in series act as a voltage regulator.
In series with a resistor, an LED will see the entire voltage drop across the circuit if it is not conducting. As soon as it starts to conduct, however, its resistance drops to almost nothing - just a few ohms. The voltage drop across the resistor rises, and the voltage drop across the LED remains almost fixed. The voltage drop across the LED cannot drop, as the LED would turn back off, which would raise the voltage drop across it and turn it back on again. Instead, the voltage drop across the LED remains just above the threshhold voltage even as the supply voltage rises. Any further increase in supply voltage increases the voltage drop across the resistor, but not the LED.
Look what happens when the voltage, supplied to a 150 ohm resistor in series with an LED ( , varies from 4.5v to 5.5v.
VoltageVeIVseriesVled4.502.600.0172.521.984.602.700.0172.621.984.702.800.0182.721.984.802.900.0192.811.994.903.000.0192.911.995.003.100.0203.011.995.103.200.0213.111.995.103.200.0213.202.005.303.400.0223.302.005.403.500.0233.402.005.503.600.0233.492.01

You can see how flat the Vled curve is - it varies only 0.03 volts even as the supply voltage varies by 1.0 volt. Even with this small rise in Vled, Iled increases 6mA.
The LED in question has a threshold voltage (Vthreshold) of 1.9v, above which it has a dynamic resistance (Rdynamic) of 4.55 ohms, and draws 20 mA at 2.0v. (This is an example of a real LED, see the graph under "Using LEDs" above) The supply voltage is 5v, and Rseries is 150 ohms. Here are the formulae:
Ve = Vsupply - Vthreshold
I = Ve / (Rseries + Rdynamic)
Vseries = Rseries / (Rseries + Rdynamic) * Ve
Vled = Vsupply - Vseries
Ve is the voltage above the threshhold, I is the current through the circuit, Vseries is the voltage drop across the resistor, and Vled is the voltage drop across the LED.
The only time it is really worth driving an LED without a series resistor is when you need absolute maximum efficiency - a series resistor wastes power (P = I2R) - and variations in brightness can be tolerated.
There are other ways to control the current through an LED, however. A voltage regulator will do the job nicely, but perhaps a current regulator, such as this one, is better:

LEDs driven by a simple current regulator
A current-regulated switching power supply is the best of both worlds - constant current to keep the LEDs happy, and pretty good efficiency as well. Driving LEDs with AC


The first, and most obvious question is: why? But we'll skip that one, assuming that you've got a reason.
There are several factors to consider. One is that the LED will only conduct during that portion of the positive half of the cycle during which the voltage is above the threshold voltage of the LED. This means that the LED is conducting less than half the time, which will effect brightness.
Second, even when the LED is conducting, the average voltage will be far less than the peak voltage. The average voltage of the positive half of a sine wave is only 64% of the peak voltage. (Think "area under the curve.") Brightness is therefore further reduced.
This is what I mean. The X axis is time, the Y axis is voltage. The blue line is the supply voltage; the red line is the LED threshold. In this case, the peak voltage is 5 volts, and the threshold is 1.2 volts (typical for a red LED). The "effective voltage" (my term), is the voltage that is above the threshold voltage, the voltage that actually lights the LED; the rest of the voltage does nothing, either because it is under the threshold, or it's of the wrong polarity. Effective voltage is shown in the graph by the gray areas. The light gray area is the average effective voltage for an AC supply voltage; here, 1.04 volts. The dark gray area is the average effective voltage for a DC supply, 3.8 volts, that the AC supply voltage misses. The light gray area is a mere 27% of the area of both gray areas combined. If the LED had a threshold voltage of zero (wouldn't that be nice?) the effective AC voltage would still be only 32% of the effective DC voltage. As threshold voltage rises, the "duty cycle" goes down from there.
The effective voltage is the (V-Vt) term from the formula given above, and can replace it for calculating the value of the desired resistor.
You could increase the effective AC voltage toward the theoretical maximum of 32% of the effective DC voltage by increasing the supply voltage - this makes the threshold voltage a smaller portion of the peak voltage, so the LED turns on sooner in the cycle and stays on longer. But you have to avoid using a peak voltage greater than the reverse voltage that the LED can tolerate - typically only 5 volts. Remember that when the LED isn't conducting, all the voltage drop will be across the LED. You can sidestep this problem by including a separate diode - silicon diodes can withstand far more reverse voltage than LEDs can, although an additional diode will impose a second threshold voltage. Incorporating a full-wave bridge rectifier would let you drive the LED with both halves of the cycle, increasing the maximum possible effective voltage to 64% of that of DC, at the price of two additional threshold voltages.
Some white LEDs require forward voltages (typically 3.5 or 4 volts) very close to their maximum reverse voltage (typically 5 volts), so the LED will only be on for a very small fraction of the cycle, making it very dim. For example, an LED requiring 3.5 volts driven on 5 volts AC would only see an effective AC voltage of only 0.25 volts, only 17% of the effective DC voltage of 1.5 volts.
To compensate for the low average effective voltage, we'd want to drive the LED pretty hard to get the average current up to 20 mA. If the effective voltage is only 0.25 volts, then the resistor should be 13 ohms, and the peak current will be 120 mA. Can the LED stand a peak of 120 mA? Probably not.
One possible solution is two LEDs in reverse-parallel, that is, one polarized to light during the positive half of the cycle, and the other polarized to light during the negative half. Right off the bat, this doubles the light output, since we're now using both halves of the cycle. Furthermore, since the only reverse voltage each LED will see is the forward voltage drop of the other LED, you can drive them with just about any voltage you want, so the "duty cycle" can approach 64% pretty closely. Using square-wave AC instead of sine-wave AC would let you reach almost 100%, either by using two reverse-parallel LEDs, or using one LED driven at twice the normal current for half the cycle.
 

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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Category: LED Technical Information[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Lumens, Illuminance, Foot-candles and bright shiny beads….[/FONT]

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In defining how bright something is, we have two things to consider.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]1. How bright it is at the source- How Bright is that light?
2. How much light is falling on something a certain distance away from the light.
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Lets' do some definitions now……[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]We're in America, so we are going to talk about units of measurement that concern distance in feet and inches. So, we will use some terms that folks in Europe don't use. We're going to talk about "foot-candles".[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]This one's simple. Get a birthday cake candle. Get a ruler. Stick the candle on one end of the ruler. Light the candle. Turn out the lights. Sing Happy Birthday to Doc. It was his 47th on the 23rd. OK, quiet down. Enough of that nonsense. One foot-candle of light is the amount of light that birthday cake candle generates one foot away.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]That's a neat unit of measurement. Why? Say you have a lamp. You are told it produces 100 foot candles of light. That means at one foot from the lamp, you will receive 100 foot candles of light.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]But here's where it gets tricky. The further away you move the light from what you want to illuminate, the less bright the light seems! If you measure it at the light, it's just as bright. But when you measure at the object you want illuminated, there is less light! A Physics teacher is going to tell you that light measured on an object is INVERSELY PROPORTIONAL to the distance the object is from the light source. That's a very scientific and math rich way of saying, the closer you are to the light bulb, the brighter that bulb is. Or, think of it this way. You can't change how much light comes out of your light bulb. So, to make more light on an object, you have to either move the light closer, or add more lights. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Now, lets get to LUMENS.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]A LUMEN is a unit of measurement of light. It measures light much the same way. Remember, a foot-candle is how bright the light is one foot away from the source. A lumen is a way of measuring how much light gets to what you want to light! A LUMEN is equal to one foot-candle falling on one square foot of area.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]So, if we take your candle and ruler, lets place a book at the opposite end from the candle. We'd have a bit of a light up if we put the book right next to the candle, you know. If that book happens to be one foot by one foot, it's one square foot. Ok, got the math done there. Now, all the light falling on that book, one foot away from your candle equals both…….1 foot candle AND one LUMEN![/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Ahh, we've confused you. Let's split off from this and talk about the difference between RADIANCE and ILLUMINANCE. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]RADIANCE is another way of saying how much energy is released from that light source. Again, you measure it at the source. Unless you're talking about measuring the radiance of something intensely hot, like the Sun. Then you might want to measure it at night, when it's off.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]ILLUMINANCE is what results from the use of light. You turn your flashlight on in a dark room, and you light something up. That's ILLUMINANCE. Turning on a light in a dark room to make the burglar visible gives you ILLUMINANCE. It also gives you another problem when you note the burglar is pointing your duck gun at your bellybutton.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Illuminance is the intensity or degree to which something is illuminated and is therefore not the amount of light produced by the light source. This is measured in foot-candles again! And when people talk about LUX, it's illuminance measured in metric units rather than English units of measure. To reinforce that, LUX is the measurement of actual light available at a given distance. A lux equals one lumen incident per square meter of illuminated surface area. They're measuring the same thing, just using different measurement units.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Pretend you're an old photographer, like O. Winston Link, or Ansel Adams. These two gods of black and white photography (and a print made by either can fetch quite a hefty sum of money these days) used a device called a light meter to help them judge their exposure. (There is another way of judging exposure-that's when someone whispers in our ear at a cocktail party, "You silly twit, your fly's come undone!").[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]These light meters were nifty devices. You could use it to show how much light was falling on an object, light from the sun, and reflected light energy from every thing else. Or you could use it to show how much light energy was reflected off the object itself.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]All this brings back two points. Well, three.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The first point is if we measure the output of a light at the source that gives us one thing. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The second point is that we use an entirely different unit of measure if we are measuring the results of that light's output.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The third point is the instructor is right off his trolley, isn't he?[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Now back to the book at the end of the ruler.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]We've measured two different things. We have a unit of measure for how much light is produced. We Yankees express that as a foot-candle. Being lazy, we use it all over the
place.
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]More Confusion! Candlepower! [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Candlepower is a way of measuring how much light is produced by a light bulb, LED or by striking an arc in a Carbon-Arc spotlight. Is it a measure of how much light falls upon an object some distance away? No. That's illuminance. Is it a measure of how well we see an object that is illuminated by that light source? No. That's something all together different, and we are not going there![/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Nowadays we use the term CANDELA instead of candlepower. Candlepower, or CANDELA is a measure of how much light the bulb produces, measured at the bulb, rather than how much falls upon the thing you want to light up. Further confusing the matter is beam focus. That's how much candlepower can be focused using a reflector/lens assembly. Obviously, if you project all your light bulbs intensity at a given spot, or towards something, it will be more intense, and the illuminance will be higher. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]And here comes the confuser! A candlepower as a unit of measure is not the same as a foot-candle. A candlepower is a measurement of the light at the source, not at the object you light up.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]And a candela is the metric equivalent of the light output of that one candle, based on metric calculations. And since using a candle is rather imprecise, the definition was amended to replace a light source using carbon filaments with a very specific light source, see the following:
The candela is the luminous intensity, in a given direction, of a source that emits monochromatic radiation of frequency 540 x 1012 hertz and that has a radiant intensity in that direction of 1/683 watt per steradian.

The above from the National Institute of Standards Reference on Constants, Units, and Uncertainty.
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Candlepower is a measure of light taken at the source-not at the target. Foot-candles tell us how much of that light is directed at an object we want to illuminate.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Now, lets convert the lumens, a metric unit of light measurement, to candlepower.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]We understand a candle radiates light equally in all directions, its output, in this consideration is not focused by any mechanical means (lenses or reflectors). Pretend for a moment that a transparent sphere one meter in radius surrounds your candle. We know that there are 12.57 square meters of surface area in such a sphere. Remember your Solid Geometry classes?[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]That one candle (1 Candlepower/Candela) is illuminating equally the entire surface of that sphere. The amount of light energy then reflected from that surface is defined thusly:[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The amount of energy emanating from one square meter of surface is one lumen. And if we decrease the size of the sphere to one foot radius, we increase the reflected energy 12.57 times of that which fell on the square meter area.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]LUX is an abbreviation for Lumens per square meter.
Foot-candles equal the amount of Lumens per square feet of area.
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]So, that one candlepower equivalent equals 12.57 lumens.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]And for you figuring out LED equivalents, first you must know how many lumens your LED's each produce. Then divide that value by 12.57 and you have candlepower of the LED. You don't have foot-candles, remember foot-candles are illuminance. And we are measuring radiance.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Summing it all up:[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Candlepower is a rating of light output at the source, using English measurements.
Foot-candles are a measurement of light at an illuminated object.
Lumens are a metric equivalent to foot-candles in that they are measured at an object you want to illuminate.
Divide the number of lumens you have produced, or are capable of producing, by 12.57 and you get the candlepower equivalent of that light source.
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]We've now converted a measurement taken some distance from the illuminated object, converted it from a metric standard to an English unit of measure, and further converted it from a measure of illumination to a measure of radiation![/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]This has been an ideal proof of the superiority of the metric system. Then again, the metric system is a product of those wonderful folks that brought us:[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Renault, Peugeot, Citroen, and Air busses. Not to mention simply awful Bordeaux.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]And, if you're happy with this, send those little gems to:[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Robert H (Doc) Bryant
3408 Thomas Ave
Midland, Texas 79703-6240
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]I hope you have enjoyed this as much as I have. You ought to see me up in front of a classroom. My classes are absolute laugh riots. But people learn![/FONT]
 

darkdestruction420

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So I took that 11-13,000 and times it by 100 cause thats how many blues i have which is 1,100,000 - 1,300,000 just off those blues then add the 100 red @ 2500-3000 250,000 - 300,000 then those little uv 50 @ 150-300 12,500 - 15,000 so 1,475,000 - 1,615,000 Ok so i was wrong only 1.4-1.6 million my mistake i will edit the opening post right now.
eh, we all make mistakes, lol. im still reading through the info but damn, 1.4-1.6 million is amazing still, a 1000w hps doesnt even come close to that.! its incredible, those little leds really put out that much? wow man, if your correct on all this (not saying you arent or anything) it blows my mind.
 

Greenthumbwannabe

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eh, we all make mistakes, lol. im still reading through the info but damn, 1.4-1.6 million is amazing still, a 1000w hps doesnt even come close to that.! its incredible, those little leds really put out that much? wow man, if your correct on all this (not saying you arent or anything) it blows my mind.


Sorry if you took it like that, I was jut over explaining i guess. I was pretty pumped we built this hood for under 200 bucks. I wish we would have put in more lights but, really wanted to start the led grow. Maybe later on we can start another hood with 2 times the light, Only need to buy 250 more led's($75)
 

Greenthumbwannabe

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OK so last night we stumbled across these 2 clones in horible shape. the other few clones are doing wonderful BUT they also have little flower cola's these two have no flowers no buds no hairs.. I started adding a blooming nute and i beleive i used to much, so a possibity is that the flowering nute is fucking up my lowerless nodes, the fan leaves are looking good still. The othere possibility IS the organic bug spray i used but then again its only the 2 clones that show no sex. PLEASE HELP
 

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Greenthumbwannabe

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Yeah I know but what can you do, trial and error i totally didnt think about what the blooming nut might do to my growing clones it didnt do much harm to my Medical plant but it is 9 1/2 weeks into flower and quit getting all nutes 2 days before the wilting started(it barely missed the over feeding) the Alaskan Ice plant wasnt as far ito flower and so it got shat on the next day. i super fushed (OVER FLUSHED) and clipped alot of of shitty looking leafs,im gonna wait a couple days before i put the plants back on sup thrive. today it looks alot better but my two clone are looking funny as hell, I will take some pics. The little one looks like a green purple stick thats shoved in the ground, the othere clone was larger and didnt need to go as surgical on it.
 
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