LED Without LEDs -My First T5 Grow

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We do not have a spectrum graph for this lamp, only the specific peaks in nm spectrums.
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The freshwater flora T5HO lamps peaks at 405nm, 550nm and 640nm.
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Is there a reason you guys are going with the Badboys over fixtures such as the Hydrofarm? Are they driving the lights that much more?

pr0fesseur said:

i think im going to mix one or two of these with my fiji purps in flowering(maybe remove an actinic and replace with these?!!).. i love the even DEEPER red! from what i have researched deep infra red will be very beneficial to flowering...

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I like the idea, but why would you replace the pure blue actinic bulb with the blue/red combo Coral Wave? Wouldn't the more logical bulb to be swapped be the FIJI PURPLE, also a blue/red combo bulb? Just wondering...

not to speak for pr0f, but he is talking about using this bulb during flowering only... You wouldn't want to remove any Fuji Purples during flowering! He can take a pure actinic 420 out (I think he uses UVL Super Actinic) during flowering and replace it with this bulb. This would still give him the actinic 420 (to a lesser intensity... which is fine... this is during flowering...) and add the desired far red in the 700-800...

Well i purchased a hydrofarm T5 4' 8 bulb fixture today, i have a few 6-9 inch plants i've been keeping outdoor in pots from mid summer to now turning fall weather here. it'll be a week or two until i get the new bulbs that you suggested. I have waterfarm buckets too, is it worth trying to transplant these plants into a hydro bucket or just leave them in soil and start from clones with the buckets when i get them. I know its not ideal but i'm sure these bulbs will at least kick the plant back into veg since it's starting to try to flower because of the weather/day changes here.

OK guys, I seriously don't mean to be lazy here but I just got some KILLER outdoor bud sugar coated in trics so I'm pretty baked right now, Ive been reading through pages and pages of this thread and I can't seem to find what I'm looking for so can the OP or someone please help me here??? I just want to know how well the T5 setup in the OP with the different color bulbs has been working out?? Have you completed a grow with them and if so what are the results IE: Node spacing, Yield, Trichome density, Potency etc? And how would you compare it to LED and HID? Thank you.

SativaMe@420 said:

OK guys, I seriously don't mean to be lazy here but I just got some KILLER outdoor bud sugar coated in trics so I'm pretty baked right now, Ive been reading through pages and pages of this thread and I can't seem to find what I'm looking for so can the OP or someone please help me here??? I just want to know how well the T5 setup in the OP with the different color bulbs has been working out?? Have you completed a grow with them and if so what are the results IE: Node spacing, Yield, Trichome density, Potency etc? And how would you compare it to LED and HID? Thank you.

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This as not a comparison grow, nor is it a better than grow.. it was a scientific plausibility grow "does this work".
I yielded a small amount and that according to the scientific method I was expecting 0 yield...
This method is all about method not yields .. this was only to measure the efficacy of the bulb.. and efficiency. It works and from the pics I have rec'd many a
Question about my grow.. if you want to do a side by side I will help however I can.. I was just trying to prove the method nothing else.. yield is irrelevant.. I know I can veg and bloom with a single method and that speaks volumes... I urge you the reader to experiment with the method and provide more results. I will be doing another grow here shortly with 3 strains maybe 9 plants to show viability in my method. Remember that the scientific method demands I fail. If I have any other result that's icing on the cake.

Ya im not locked into the bulbs I use but from the documentation im trying to stay with a specific curve that gives the best bang for $
Yes fiji purps are suspect but the light they emit is obviously a great base to build on.
I accept these as my base and build from there..
Yes nlite purpose bulbs have the same spectrum.. but no one supplies them.. maybe oz bought.them..? Let's just go with what we can find...

Lucius Vorenus said:

Is there a reason you guys are going with the Badboys over fixtures such as the Hydrofarm? Are they driving the lights that much more?

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Bad boys are great quality and light!

novice11 said:

I like the idea, but why would you replace the pure blue actinic bulb with the blue/red combo Coral Wave? Wouldn't the more logical bulb to be swapped be the FIJI PURPLE, also a blue/red combo bulb? Just wondering...

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Good question... if i replace the sctinic plus with this bulb i get actinic like the actinic & i get the far infra red... this provides 700nm and the fiji add 630nm more spectrum...
remember its not about the color its about the NM range i can get from each bulb in order to complete the PAR were after.

Psytranceorgy said:

not to speak for pr0f, but he is talking about using this bulb during flowering only... You wouldn't want to remove any Fuji Purples during flowering! He can take a pure actinic 420 out (I think he uses UVL Super Actinic) during flowering and replace it with this bulb. This would still give him the actinic 420 (to a lesser intensity... which is fine... this is during flowering...) and add the desired far red in the 700-800...

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THanks +rep

ohiogrown03 said:

Well i purchased a hydrofarm T5 4' 8 bulb fixture today, i have a few 6-9 inch plants i've been keeping outdoor in pots from mid summer to now turning fall weather here. it'll be a week or two until i get the new bulbs that you suggested. I have waterfarm buckets too, is it worth trying to transplant these plants into a hydro bucket or just leave them in soil and start from clones with the buckets when i get them. I know its not ideal but i'm sure these bulbs will at least kick the plant back into veg since it's starting to try to flower because of the weather/day changes here.

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Dont stress your plants place them under a flowering regimen.. if you hold them back you may hermie them... you can take some clones NOW and reveg them.... NP they will just take longer to veg out... maybe 3 weeks or so you can take cuttings from them too... and so on..
DO NOT GO FROM SOIL TO HYDRO!!!!! you will shock your plants.. not worth it.. leave them in soil top dress(add soil to the top) if you have to.. give the roots plenty of room...to grow into the new soil they will bush out as the new roots take hold..

Has someone made a list yet of the bulbs and places to buy them in one post yet? That would be awesome while compiling a shopping list for veg and flower.

4 BULB - VEG = FIJI / RED / BLUE / FIJI ................................................BLOOM/FLOWER=SAME

6 BULB - VEG = FIJI / BLUE1 / 75.25 / FIJI / RED / BLUE2 .....................BLOOM/FLOWER = Replace 75.25 with RED

8 BULB - VEG = FIJI / RED / BLUE1 / 75.25 /FIJI / BLUE2 / RED / FIJI .....BLOOM/FLOWER = Replace 75.25 with RED

BLUE1 = UVL Super ACTINIC @ 420nm
BLUE2 = UVL 454nm
RED = UVL RED SUN 630nm
FIJI = KorallenZucht FIJI PURPLE 630nm & 440nm
75.25 = UVL 75.25 (VEG ONLY)

I think for 16 bulb you just double the 8 bulb, and they're available at a www.aquariumspecialty.com.

Grimbsy said:

4 BULB - VEG = FIJI / RED / BLUE / FIJI ................................................BLOOM/FLOWER=SAME

6 BULB - VEG = FIJI / BLUE1 / 75.25 / FIJI / RED / BLUE2 .....................BLOOM/FLOWER = Replace 75.25 with RED

8 BULB - VEG = FIJI / RED / BLUE1 / 75.25 /FIJI / BLUE2 / RED / FIJI .....BLOOM/FLOWER = Replace 75.25 with RED

BLUE1 = UVL Super ACTINIC @ 420nm
BLUE2 = UVL 454nm
RED = UVL RED SUN 630nm
FIJI = KorallenZucht FIJI PURPLE 630nm & 440nm
75.25 = UVL 75.25 (VEG ONLY)

I think for 16 bulb you just double the 8 bulb, and they're available at a www.aquariumspecialty.com.

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Please note that in addition to what I originally posted - the pr0fesseur has added a new bulb, the WAVE POINT CORAL WAVE bulb. This bulb is to be swapped in during flowering/bloom in place of BLUE1 (UVL Super Actinic). This bulb keeps the 420nm actinic and adds the very far red spectrum. He talks about this just a few posts back.

This bulb is also available @ aquarium specialty.

I also wondered about the ATI Pro color, where would that be in the setups?

Anyone else have any photos from their grows using this for Flowering?

Grimbsy said:

I also wondered about the ATI Pro color, where would that be in the setups?

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You cannot get the Pro Color in 48" and the pr0fesseur has just substituted the Wave Point CORAL WAVE.

You really ought to read the thread to get an idea of how this has evolved, no offense intended.

To: Proffesor
I've been a fan of your idea for a few years even before I found your thread (you really dialed it in on the bulb outputs from prospective companies). Unfortunately with the small grow space I have available 2'x4'x5' with two centrifugal fans one clip on fan and an inline duct fan through a hepa filter and a carbon filter in a Mylar lined tent in a closet. For lighting I have an 8bulb fixture hanging vertically and two 4bulb fixtures hanging vertically on the right and left of the tent. I also use a homemade hybridized DWC system. My temps during warmer months have no problems elevating into the mid 90's or higher. It's got be really considering scrapping my big 8light fixture for some led's of some sort probably blackstar's hopefully some GLH spectra's. I grow 4 plants at a time and was wondering with the light spectrum tailoring do you think the 8bulb joint could carry 4 Indica's (lollipop-ed and heavily manicured) through their flowering phase? It's rated at 18,000 lumens even though I'm not sure how that converts to PAR. The reason being that i'm able to maintain a temp in the high 80's when i run just 8 bulbs instead of all 16. Also room temp outside of the closet is maintained at 72 degrees. Intakes & exhaust run outside of the tent. I've had heat ruin two crops making the buds so thin and wispy. I even pulled 76 grams off of one plant but it was only good for butter or extractions (best butter I ever had, though not something for the vaporizer). It's been a constant learning curve dealing with temps from reservoir and ambient room. I even learned to beat and reverse root rot because of it. Now I ask your opinion because I don't want to learn this through trial and error. Your input is greatly appreciated Note just finished reading another 500 page thread and just returning to this thread only on page 32 gotta read through & see what I missed. So could you or anyone else pm me a link as to where I can purchase all of your specified bulbs in/at one place. Thanks in advance!

Lucius Vorenus said:

Anyone else have any photos from their grows using this for Flowering?

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I posted my pics a few pages back check in the 40's or check my album or my Advanced T5 growers community thread ALL my pics are there..

novice11 said:

You cannot get the Pro Color in 48" and the pr0fesseur has just substituted the Wave Point CORAL WAVE.

You really ought to read the thread to get an idea of how this has evolved, no offense intended.

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As soon as i get my new setup i will be purchasing the coral wave just cant buy 1 bulb at a time.. it WILL get broken.. and $$$ to expensive..
Aquarium Specialty.com
reefgeeks.com i think thats how its spelled... any aquarium wholesaler has SOME of these bulbs..