LED Without LEDs -My First T5 Grow

pr0fesseur

pr0fesseur

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Undercover Cop said:
My main issue from the very start was the heat (Its been above 90 all week, and my grow is upstairs/south facing...) I started with a 400wHPS in a cool tube and I was able to get the tube right down onto the tops and got a good yield, but in the dead of winter the ambient temps in the room were approaching 90. I was pulling air from my house through the room and exhausing at 800cfm! I had to keep my entire house below 60 to be able to cool the room down to 73 and inside my 6hx6wx3d box is was 87. But I could run 864w of T5 and the box was only 79 with the other variables the same. Thats why I went to T5 exclusive... that and the fact that with equal amounts of wattage, the T5 yeilds were sooooo much stickier!



Im running 1054w, some digital HID ballasts actually draw more than what they're rated at so for our purposes Ill say Im equal to a 600+400... but in my small space theres no way I could squeeze both of them into my hx6wx3d box at 4-5" above tops and still manage the heat... absolutely utterly impossible... if they were in cool tubes I could put them at that distance but I would hardly get any coverage beyond 1-2 plants per bulb, and I could never cool my room down even with the AC I have now. For small/medium sized personal grows, Im gonna say T5's are tits. Commercial Grows with wide open growing spaces with large AC's can grow for yield with monster HID's but wont ever get that connoisseur grade sticky like flypaper shit that people tell their friends about.
All variables the same (nutes, environment, medium/ph etc) feed one of your favorite strain 1000w of HID for 8 weeks and another 1000w of T5 PAR for 8 weeks, you may get a larger yield from the HID but the better resulting flavor and smell and resin production and overall bag-appeal from the PAR crop may be worth more to the small time personal grower or medical patient. I got some experience growing using both and became very educated on the subject and my HPS is sitting in the corner now.
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EDIT: a 16bulb badboy consumes 864W on a single fixture.. it fits in a 4x4 area.
sounds like a winner!

 
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infinitalus

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Undercover Cop said:
My main issue from the very start was the heat ... I started with a 400wHPS in a cool tube and I was able to get the tube right down onto the tops and got a good yield, but ... I was pulling air from my house through the room ... I had to keep my entire house below 65 to be able to cool the room down to 73 and inside my closet was 85-90. But I could run 432w of T5 + 108w of T8 and the closet went to 78-82. Thats why I went to fluorescent exclusive ...



... Im gonna say T5's are tits. Commercial Grows with wide open growing spaces with large AC's can grow for yield with monster HID's but wont ever get that connoisseur grade sticky like flypaper shit that people tell their friends about ... I sold my HPS to buy more T5 equipment.
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Edited to invoke my own circumstances, but UCC you really hit the nail on the head. Far too much electricity being wasted on heat production even with premium hortilux lamps which is both harmful and useless even with more than adequate ventilation. Forget about using CO2, it will be wasted being pumped out of the room. I only got bud from my first and only run with HID lamps which was decent at best.

Personally, Ive only ever had sticky stuff like that ONCE and it was the best I have ever had in my entire life. The price reflected as much and I would gladly pay it again for the value it brings, its rarity and exclusiveness. In my region, it is RARE to see something of that calibur even at dispensaries. To me, its the mystical unicorn that I am aiming to find and continue to have available for myself and my patients. I am willing to spend the extra in equipment cost and maintenance to get the best medicine.

EDIT: Was able to give rep again! +1 UCC
 
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pedro420

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kpmarine said:
Beware of large streams and larger bodies of standing water. That's where they hunt for grows. I don't have any guerrilla experience though. That may not even be an issue where you're going.
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Well at first to do a test run I have 2 auto seeds don't get very tall and flower fast I accualyy haven't been on the lake yet but I don't think cops would be interested its mainly older people that use there house on the lake as a vacation home for winter months in outher states - good thing about most areas in FL that's mainly what they are

But the security of the grow well that's where the military training comes in I know the places they would look for so I can go places they wouldn't think of and me being only 21 I can do some things the older cops can't or might not want to
 
kpmarine

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pedro420 said:
Well at first to do a test run I have 2 auto seeds don't get very tall and flower fast I accualyy haven't been on the lake yet but I don't think cops would be interested its mainly older people that use there house on the lake as a vacation home for winter months in outher states - good thing about most areas in FL that's mainly what they are

But the security of the grow well that's where the military training comes in I know the places they would look for so I can go places they wouldn't think of and me being only 21 I can do some things the older cops can't or might not want to
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Yeah, wish I had "tactically acquired" some cammie net from supply before I got out.
 
kpmarine

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You can buy it, but it's always expensive from what I've seen. My only concern is that they do provide a good bit of shade.
 
polyarcturus

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though i would bring my own brand of hateraide to the table. i agree with you guys to an extent, but i have been pulling DANK! with HID for a long time not to say T5 doesnt make quality, but the "best" quality i have ever seen has been grown under HID and LED combos, but im sure you could gat the same results using any light if you know what you doing with it well her an update did some remodeling of my room switched VEG with my flower and moved my inside my TENT around took the table out added a shelf moved my filter and my temps and RH are PERFECT! plus i can fit 7 more plants into flower!


IMG472.jpglights.jpgtubes are only 3 in from tops sometimes less
temp RH flo.jpgcanopy.jpgnice lokking V canopy som plants got vegged to long
veg.jpgmothers.jpgveg RH temp.jpgbushy mothers
top of tall plan.jpgbottom of tall plant.jpgthis tall mfr made me have to work all night.. but the room looks even better than b4 i didnt think that was possible
purple.jpg PURPLE unkown strain bag seed, 1 word DANK!
 
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falcon223

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You got kept the bugs , and the lake monster from getting your crop. And then there is always undercovercop, he might be around your area. The other thing is oldpeople , they are so nosy, nothing to do all day but snup around. And some of us old farts where in the war, and can sneak up on deer. Hell i startled a moos when I was in ,Germany, it scared me more then I scared him.
 
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pedro420

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falcon223 said:
You got kept the bugs , and the lake monster from getting your crop. And then there is always undercovercop, he might be around your area. The other thing is oldpeople , they are so nosy, nothing to do all day but snup around. And some of us old farts where in the war, and can sneak up on deer. Hell i startled a moos when I was in ,Germany, it scared me more then I scared him.
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Well on one side they state only there in the winter time the outher side he seems nice but I'll know more after I do my snooping on them
 
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falcon223

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I think undercovercrop, may be in Florida, so you know he will smoke your stuff, and then do a smoke report. I wouldn't trust him.
 
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pedro420

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I like criticism on my crop lol that's why I was a supplier for my whole county when I was growing up had different strains for different levels of customers the more I trusted you the better quality you could get

It was all gravy to I couldn't get in trouble for shyt nobody knew my real name unless you was close to me I had a bunch of haters try and turn me in but the cops never could do anything because they always gave the cops a different name than the name on my I'd so they couldn't prove it was me
 
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pedro420 said:
I like criticism on my crop lol that's why I was a supplier for my whole county when I was growing up had different strains for different levels of customers the more I trusted you the better quality you could get

It was all gravy to I couldn't get in trouble for shyt nobody knew my real name unless you was close to me I had a bunch of haters try and turn me in but the cops never could do anything because they always gave the cops a different name than the name on my I'd so they couldn't prove it was me
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Are you Keyser Söze ?!
 
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infinitalus

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Day 16 under T5. My UVB lights came in: One was broken and the one that was intact was an incorrect fit. Pretty irritating that the product dimensions listed on amazon were of the PACKAGE, not of the lamp. No matter, Im returning them for a refund and will hit up local pet stores tomorrow to see if they have any of the R'zilla T5's in stock before ordering again.

Placed an order for 2 of the exhale CO2 generator almost two weeks ago and have yet to get them. At this point, boost buddy is the way to go. Exhale customer service has gone down. By the time it gets here, the mycelium will already be developing. The boost buddy only had tiny spots of white when they got here. They arent amazon prime supported for 2 day shipping, but theyre $30/ea shipped and got here in 4 business days. The two that are in there have been making notable differences. With the other two when they finally get here, the differences will be substantial. Combined with UVB.. these buds are gonna start getting sticky soon.

Im venting 4x a day @ 15min/ea for humidity reasons. Heat hasnt been so bad, hottest its been was 87 in there but the CO2 is keeping them happy.

Bud porn :)
 

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infinitalus

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Lucius Vorenus said:
Save your money on the Exhale. Worthless.
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I used two in a 6x4x10 space and it increased growth a LOT. Problem is last time they got to my house quickly and this time they havent. Boostbuddy is essentially the same product, slightly cheaper, and gets here faster. Not as accurate as a CO2 tank but just as effective and sooooo much easier to maintain then a 20 or 50lb tank. Having to lug that thing to the store once or twice a grow to refill it may also be inconvenient with my work schedule.

People say T5s are ludicrous and swear by MH/HPS.

People say CO2 methods are ludicrous and swear by tanks.

Shrug.
 
polyarcturus

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they are ludacris if i run out of co2 my fans are so strong i hardly notice the difference(other than the temps) plus my plants are right next to the water heater im sure if i turn my big filter on 24/7 od get some of that co2.
6x4x10= 240 cft a 20 lb tank should last you around 3months if you fill the room 4x a day roughly. i vent b4 i fill i dont really believe in the whole "sealed" room thing. maybe at the most all 12 hours of lights on but i couldnt keep my room sealed all night too thats how you get mold. but i love my tanks fill mine up once every 5 months inject 5x a day.
 
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polyarcturus said:
they are ludacris if i run out of co2 my fans are so strong i hardly notice the difference(other than the temps) plus my plants are right next to the water heater im sure if i turn my big filter on 24/7 od get some of that co2.
6x4x10= 240 cft a 20 lb tank should last you around 3months if you fill the room 4x a day roughly. i vent b4 i fill i dont really believe in the whole "sealed" room thing. maybe at the most all 12 hours of lights on but i couldnt keep my room sealed all night too thats how you get mold. but i love my tanks fill mine up once every 5 months inject 5x a day.
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The ones I got worked about 12 weeks before they were exhausted and theyre always 'on'. To me, it is well worth not having to lug a tank around. I get double the amount recommended to make sure the PPMs are up there. I do notice that when I first open the hut at night and the smell wafts right into my face that I get an acute but mild head rush from increased CO2 concentration.

I counted 15 top colas at 3'8" for a single plant, middle right under the Grosite, and its going to have 30-50 microwatts of UVB hovering nearby most likely tomorrow night. Guesstimates for yield?
 
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