smokefrogg
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...crimble sounds like a salesman to me too, just sayin'
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Kaptain Kron
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I wasnt worried about that when i bought mine because im not going to ever be using it for a veg longer than 30 days, i think i will stick with cfl for my mothers or maybe a new led with more blue spectrum havent done any research on it yet because i dont need it but im pretty sure i know where i need to go. As of right now im not veging under the led longer than 2 weeks so im golden the switch has already been flipped. I gave the mother to a friend who threw some clones in a fog ponics system and he said his little sour d super silver haze clones off the mother were rooted in 4 days.Yeah, I figured you must've robbed a bank the way you've been buying out the stores.So, you're going to send for some of the bulbs? You're going to be amazed.
BTW- LEDs are every bit as good for flowering as vegging. The new, quality ones anyway. One problem with the Blackstar I bought is it tends to throw plants into flowering early. Maybe it's just because it leans on that end of the spectrum?
So that's what your avatar means? Too much!
not fully rooted but you could see like eigth inch roots comin out lol. I got some strong ones and they're off and running. I hope to get out of the spot im in with this partner ship where i have to share a room, once i do that im moving on to water farm and scrog with just 2 plants under 2 240w panels i think maybe 2 500's if i have the cash to spend. I also may decide to pick up some kessil's its just time to play that waiting game and see how much i have to gross before i can get out of there.crimble=salesman
ahhh i will look more into induction lighting for the next one as well so many options to choose from. So far these black stars are kickin ass for me since i dont need a long veg. How much you think i will get off of thirty plants that were twelve inches when the switch was flipped and are known to be heavy yielders from your experience with the blackstars viagro? It can be a WAG (wild ass guess) im figuring at least bare minumum is 7 grams a plant but im thinkin more like a half? I've seen these plants as five footers flowered out so i know what it can do but that is under a 1000 HPS the five footers in 7 gal pots bring in 10-12 zips
plsfoldthx
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Learn to spell.
Kaptain Kron
Well-Known Member
lol ^^^^^^^^^^
smokefrogg
Active Member
word up, i'll be the sunshine systems sales man hehe. seriously though, i did just get a package in the mail with 3 of the glowpanel 45s, one for a friend, one for a christmas present for a caregiver that's shown me much love, and one for me, it will go into my veg area alongside one of the older glowpanel 45 models
if i were to have a great amount of cash to throw around, my money would be on kessil lighting
p.s. i am using my old crappy $40 ebay panel in a different area where 1 single male plant is hanging out, i figure with that panel along with the bathroom incandescent light and an old PURple 2' t8 it should be enough to keep him going till the plants i want to pollinate are done...my point here is that the cheapo ebay panel does have a use still
p.s.s. the cheapo ebay panel also has been used in a transport box i setup in my car, i had to move some clones to a caregiver and the plants were in the trunk for several hours, the cheapo ebay panel provided enough light so everything stayed happy in veg and we had zero stress issues with those, i had the panel running off of a camping battery backup in the trunk of the car
if i were to have a great amount of cash to throw around, my money would be on kessil lighting
p.s. i am using my old crappy $40 ebay panel in a different area where 1 single male plant is hanging out, i figure with that panel along with the bathroom incandescent light and an old PURple 2' t8 it should be enough to keep him going till the plants i want to pollinate are done...my point here is that the cheapo ebay panel does have a use still
p.s.s. the cheapo ebay panel also has been used in a transport box i setup in my car, i had to move some clones to a caregiver and the plants were in the trunk for several hours, the cheapo ebay panel provided enough light so everything stayed happy in veg and we had zero stress issues with those, i had the panel running off of a camping battery backup in the trunk of the car
stoneyluv
Well-Known Member
A grow trunk huh?? clones on wheels could be a good buisness...
Crimble
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bwahahaha, spelling IS NOT my strong point tahts for sure, could be also the huge amounts of cannabis I smoke. No I'm not a salesman AT ALL, thats what my father did for a living and I will never do go there, maybe I sound like a salesman because I love their products so much. nor do I get a kick back, I just love GROWL and they produce the best lights and the best quality manufacturing. I want LEDs to succeed and some people out there are making Shit, I say support a company that is doing it right. Thats my only reason for saying to checkout GROWL. The comparison you gave - a difference of $35 and 60W and the GROWL units are way better in quality and durability. But you said the unit was priced at 845, yet their site states $945, You are comparing a Tri-band Height Solid States without ANY IR with a GROWL 5-BAND, a few questions if you think both those 300W LEDs are on the same level of Quality.
How many hours is that $945 300w unit rated for? The $875 300W Full Cycle GROWL model is rated for 50,000 hours.
Do those Haight Solid States have Color Control Switches to turn each color spectrum on/off?
The "fanless technology", is that because they have found a way to cool the LEDs which gives them the 5 year lifetime, or are they going to burn out in 2 1/2 years by not having the heat dissipate?
You are comparing Height's 1 year limited warranty to GROWL's 3 year?
They are using 6W LED's, I have personally done the research and more 1w in the same area will out produce a higher watt LED, ANY DAY.
I'm just sayin' Ive done the research myself and to me, GROWL is the top of the line, and remember - You get what you pay for!
Viagro
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Crimble- Your criticisms are ubfounded. Some of the spectral bands you think are so important are useless to plants. There are test comparisons and explanations of the true nature of quality LEDs out there, but it's up to anyone interested to do the fact-checking. Kessil and Lumigrow have some interesting technical info at their websites.. And, btw, the quality lights are rated at maximum output, while some have been dialed back to last much longer.
Growl just has an inflated sense of their own worth, as reflected in their prices, as do you. There are many lights, comparable in quality, for better deals.
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An individual in England is building quality LED lights and providing kits. He gives the real lowdown and is putting together a website that will not ony sell quality LED lights, but explain them.
There is some interesting info about the truth about claims made by LED manufactures, and other interesting LED facts here.
For example:
...watts just measures how much power is consumed NOT how much light is produced...
PLEASE NOTE!!! The claims made by other light manufacturers are pure fantasy. They claim that a 90 watt UFO is sufficient for 1, 2 or even 4 square meters, which is a complete lie and is one of the reasons people have no success with these types of led lights. You really need 200 watts to 300 watts of high quality leds for 1 square meter of plants if you want the same results as a 600W conventional grow light. This light kit is for a 70 watt light which produces enough light for 4 square feet (1/3 square metre). This is enough for 2 - 4 large plants or 12 – 16 plants using sea-of-green type growing. This is more than enough for most home growers!
And:
...5) You need 5 different leds to get plant growth equal to a standard metal halide/HPS light. As well a standard red and blue (640 Nm and 460 Nm) you need 660 Nm red to promote flowering, 430 Nm blue for the hard resinous buds (without it you get 'fluffy' buds with no weight) and warm white which provides far red out to about 800 Nm, again for flowering.
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Notice no orange, etc.
Growl just has an inflated sense of their own worth, as reflected in their prices, as do you. There are many lights, comparable in quality, for better deals.
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An individual in England is building quality LED lights and providing kits. He gives the real lowdown and is putting together a website that will not ony sell quality LED lights, but explain them.
There is some interesting info about the truth about claims made by LED manufactures, and other interesting LED facts here.
For example:
...watts just measures how much power is consumed NOT how much light is produced...
PLEASE NOTE!!! The claims made by other light manufacturers are pure fantasy. They claim that a 90 watt UFO is sufficient for 1, 2 or even 4 square meters, which is a complete lie and is one of the reasons people have no success with these types of led lights. You really need 200 watts to 300 watts of high quality leds for 1 square meter of plants if you want the same results as a 600W conventional grow light. This light kit is for a 70 watt light which produces enough light for 4 square feet (1/3 square metre). This is enough for 2 - 4 large plants or 12 – 16 plants using sea-of-green type growing. This is more than enough for most home growers!
And:
...5) You need 5 different leds to get plant growth equal to a standard metal halide/HPS light. As well a standard red and blue (640 Nm and 460 Nm) you need 660 Nm red to promote flowering, 430 Nm blue for the hard resinous buds (without it you get 'fluffy' buds with no weight) and warm white which provides far red out to about 800 Nm, again for flowering.
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Notice no orange, etc.
benjamin alexander
Active Member
viagro- shame that guy still doesnt have adjustability in his panels or id have gotten them off him instead.
Viagro
Well-Known Member
Yeah, Ben, I really wanted to try his lights, too. I like the double power supply and the resistance to power surges that are the Achilles heel of most LED designs.
When he gets his website going, I might buy a kit, just for fun.
Crimble
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"spectral bands you think are so important are useless to plants."
THAT IS FALSE INFORMATION YOU ARE SPREADING, ALL wavelengths are important to plant growth, go back and don't just read what a website tells you, do your OWN research, Even Green, YES GREEN is an important spectrum for the plant. This is why the LED revolution is having a hard time overthrowing HID, the info and the science is just not being quoted accurately, this is like watching FOX News.
"There are many lights, comparable in quality, for better deals."
- You have YET to show me one example of a brand that is better in quality and design than GROWL, I shot down your Height comparison pretty easily, what else ya got?
".5) You need 5 different leds to get plant growth equal to a standard metal halide/HPS light. As well a standard red and blue (640 Nm and 460 Nm) you need 660 Nm red to promote flowering, 430 Nm blue for the hard resinous buds (without it you get 'fluffy' buds with no weight) and warm white which provides far red out to about 800 Nm, again for flowering.
Notice no orange, etc."
- THAT "INFORMATION" IS OUTDATED AND INCOMPLETE. For real? Your scientific "research" is cutting and pasting from a DIY site from the UK, REALLY?
"...watts just measures how much power is consumed NOT how much light is produced..."
- You have yet to mention PAR, go ahead, I'll wait while you look it up.... Yeah, thats what you measure for plant response to light. 5 @1W LEDs will give off more PAR, LUMENS, whatever measurable unit you want, than a 5W LED, this has nothing to do w/ growing, this is just the science of an LED, not growers opinions. What you want for more canopy penetration is not a "BIGGER WATT LED", you would want 1W with different degree focused lenses.
The fact is, GROWL makes the top quality and best results lights. I'm not trying to argue with other LED users out there, we need to make this take over HID so in-fighting does no one any good. Go to the GROWL facebook page and see the results, what other site has Cannabis results posted in picture and video?
http://www.facebook.com/pages/GrowL-LED-Inc/222963509269?v=photos
I just know what I speak because I have been using LED and been on this site for 1 1/2 years and you sound like you haven't been around these parts all that long based on how you respond, you kinda come off like a PT Phish kid. Don't get me wrong, if we were ever at a show, I'd buy ya a beer (we are both LED growers) But to each his own, you have fun "saving money" and in about a year when your shit breaks and you can't seem to figure out who to talk to for customer service and repair and you have to shell out more money for a new panel, don't say I didn't warn you. You get what you pay for, you'll remember that in about a year.
THAT IS FALSE INFORMATION YOU ARE SPREADING, ALL wavelengths are important to plant growth, go back and don't just read what a website tells you, do your OWN research, Even Green, YES GREEN is an important spectrum for the plant. This is why the LED revolution is having a hard time overthrowing HID, the info and the science is just not being quoted accurately, this is like watching FOX News.
"There are many lights, comparable in quality, for better deals."
- You have YET to show me one example of a brand that is better in quality and design than GROWL, I shot down your Height comparison pretty easily, what else ya got?
".5) You need 5 different leds to get plant growth equal to a standard metal halide/HPS light. As well a standard red and blue (640 Nm and 460 Nm) you need 660 Nm red to promote flowering, 430 Nm blue for the hard resinous buds (without it you get 'fluffy' buds with no weight) and warm white which provides far red out to about 800 Nm, again for flowering.
Notice no orange, etc."
- THAT "INFORMATION" IS OUTDATED AND INCOMPLETE. For real? Your scientific "research" is cutting and pasting from a DIY site from the UK, REALLY?
"...watts just measures how much power is consumed NOT how much light is produced..."
- You have yet to mention PAR, go ahead, I'll wait while you look it up.... Yeah, thats what you measure for plant response to light. 5 @1W LEDs will give off more PAR, LUMENS, whatever measurable unit you want, than a 5W LED, this has nothing to do w/ growing, this is just the science of an LED, not growers opinions. What you want for more canopy penetration is not a "BIGGER WATT LED", you would want 1W with different degree focused lenses.
The fact is, GROWL makes the top quality and best results lights. I'm not trying to argue with other LED users out there, we need to make this take over HID so in-fighting does no one any good. Go to the GROWL facebook page and see the results, what other site has Cannabis results posted in picture and video?
http://www.facebook.com/pages/GrowL-LED-Inc/222963509269?v=photos
I just know what I speak because I have been using LED and been on this site for 1 1/2 years and you sound like you haven't been around these parts all that long based on how you respond, you kinda come off like a PT Phish kid. Don't get me wrong, if we were ever at a show, I'd buy ya a beer (we are both LED growers) But to each his own, you have fun "saving money" and in about a year when your shit breaks and you can't seem to figure out who to talk to for customer service and repair and you have to shell out more money for a new panel, don't say I didn't warn you. You get what you pay for, you'll remember that in about a year.
Kaptain Kron
Well-Known Member
so been around for a year and a half huh got only 88 posts thought and over 90% of them are about Growl LED how does that not make u sound like a salesman. All you post about is your lovely growl led and yet you still feel the need to put someone down who has contributed greatly to LED's and their use. Your full of shit bro everyone on here knows it. Cool you continue to talk shit about companies that provide equivalent warranties and put out just as much power and are made the same damn way as your growl shit. Your one of those fucking kids that probably gets his money from mommy and daddy and just blew as much money as you could to try and make your setup "the shit" You have four times as much money into your setup as i have into mine probably and i would be willing to bet i can get more nug per square inch per watt than you.... That assumption is just from the way you talk on this forum... as you said about others....
you have started three threads since you have been on this forum one asking if your plant was a female (lol dood if you dont know what a female looks like you shouldnt be growing) another asking why you had nute lockout (duh......) and some other random one.... you dont contribute to this community... all you do is come around when someone talks about led's to try and sell your overpriced growl bullshit
you have started three threads since you have been on this forum one asking if your plant was a female (lol dood if you dont know what a female looks like you shouldnt be growing) another asking why you had nute lockout (duh......) and some other random one.... you dont contribute to this community... all you do is come around when someone talks about led's to try and sell your overpriced growl bullshit
Viagro
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Crimble- You are an insulting, pretentious, and presumptuous jerk. There was no need to get personal about this. I would put my research and understanding up against yours, anyday. Your diatribe just perpetuates the myths and fallacies that some manufacturers use to sell lights with bogus benefits.
Think what you want, you've been exposed for what you are and I'm done with you.
Think what you want, you've been exposed for what you are and I'm done with you.
benjamin alexander
Active Member
haha @ crimble, a year and a half? check your posts and check mine, ive only been here a coupla months and have contributed so much more than you already, viagro's research is not outdated, i have done the research you suggested many times over and it is viable, although simplified it is correct lol getting into the real science would involve far too much typing than i have time for atm.
and green? really? have you even looked into how different colours reflect different spectrums? why can you look at your plant during dark hours with a green light of this is the case?
viagro, pay no mind man, the opinion on this dude seems pretty consistent and solid, lets just see what results you and i get hey? my 4 panels should hopefully dispel a few myths!
and green? really? have you even looked into how different colours reflect different spectrums? why can you look at your plant during dark hours with a green light of this is the case?
viagro, pay no mind man, the opinion on this dude seems pretty consistent and solid, lets just see what results you and i get hey? my 4 panels should hopefully dispel a few myths!
Crimble
Well-Known Member
Not going to get into a war with 3 22 y/o's who know nothing. I have a + rep on here, come on here to get peoples opinions, and knowledge. I'll never stop helping people on this forum, and I WILL NEVER STOP telling people to avoid the crap LED's that are making the LED market look bad. Carry on KIDZ.
timeagain21
Member
I am looking at purchasing the 90W UFO from HTG and saw that there are 50W panels at comparable prices. Does anyone have a recommendation? I have a very small grow with only 2- 4 plants at a time and am looking for the best application of LED lights.
solarguy
Active Member
get the Haight solid state ppf 400 its 90 watts for 254.00 my website sells them u can pm me, it is perfect, the 90 can do 2 plants, 4 would be overkill and the 50 can do 0. lol.
pics of what its doing now with 2 plants see below... these guys are 24 inches tall this is my veg cab....i have the 180watt lamps in my flower tent
PurpleRhinoceros
Active Member
I don't actually have a recommendation. Looking for any ideas on whether this is a good deal or not. Tell me what you think?
http://www.positronicsgrow.com/ecommerce/led-lights/90-watt-ufo-led-grow-light.html
I've seen that HTG for 150. It just looks so cheap somehow, even though its the same thing. It's just that they have such a grainy image and poor webdesigns.
Then you see something like this http://www.positronicsgrow.com/ecommerce/led-lights/positronics-50-watt-ufo-led-grow-light.html
I haven't seen them in black before. I want it.
more links
http://shop.sunshine-systems.com/product.sc?productId=8&gclid=CMmGoOyo06UCFdVf2god1wJ7oA
http://www.ecogroled.com/servlet/the-3/grow-light-lamp-led/Detail
solarguy
Active Member
thjs is a good idea...ufo's are weak look at how much bigger this footprint is of this panel...