thanks for the advice i guess it makes sense, i know people that have been busted but mainly from running off there mouth and actually telling people in the pub etc which has led to them being investigated that way, i don't have worries with anyone finding out any other way, all i'm mainly wondering is if they "happen" to fly over with a flir and see patch of hot air coming from a random spot on the roof and no where else would they try to investigate this as some times "pigs" get a bit bored and want to show off lol and is there any way to actually avoid pumping hot air out the roof
LED LIGHTS Vs HPS Help!!
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thanks for the advice i guess it makes sense, i know people that have been busted but mainly from running off there mouth and actually telling people in the pub etc which has led to them being investigated that way, i don't have worries with anyone finding out any other way, all i'm mainly wondering is if they "happen" to fly over with a flir and see patch of hot air coming from a random spot on the roof and no where else would they try to investigate this as some times "pigs" get a bit bored and want to show off lol and is there any way to actually avoid pumping hot air out the roof
I got a thing in my journal about flir...
I think ...here: https://www.rollitup.org/Journal/Entry/understanding-f-l-i-r.30122/
I wonder from the pics how much lighting they were using to show up that bright, I'm guessing a 600w would no way be that bright?
hmm the apache tech seems quite pricey for the operation i'd be running, what are your thoughts on hybrid lights e.g a lower power HPS like 300 / 400w and a LED or CFL to go with it? would that be the best of both?
vostok
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Not so much the size of the light,
but the amount of heat expelled
from that light over a given period of time!
400-1000w is average?
but the amount of heat expelled
from that light over a given period of time!
400-1000w is average?
Smoken-n-Token
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Couldn't you pump it through your cold air return vent? After scrubbing it of course. The theory is that you will pump it through your cold air return and it will push out through entire house there for dissipating the heat signature.
If you have a pillar and beam type of house you can pump it literally underneath the house.
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If you have a pillar and beam type of house you can pump it literally underneath the house.
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Grandmah
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You're completely true. Quality is not better under a hid. In greengenes grow he grew the same strain under a 1000w light and one under his Apache660. Higher thc% under led. The 1000w did yield a little more than the Apache 660 but barely. That's my proof
http://www.bmlhorticulture.com/spydr-1000-grow-max-spectrum/
The best LED on the market The only one that truly beats the 1000 Walt bulb. There's been studies done at a university that says the spydr 1000 is the best led light in the world. I have 2 of them. The Best thing about the The company that sells them is they build to order you can call them and get them to Taylor it to Best fit your needs.
The best LED on the market The only one that truly beats the 1000 Walt bulb. There's been studies done at a university that says the spydr 1000 is the best led light in the world. I have 2 of them. The Best thing about the The company that sells them is they build to order you can call them and get them to Taylor it to Best fit your needs.
Smoken-n-Token
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The one thing that gets me is the arbitrary numbers that they come out with with LED power levels. Energy cannot be created nor destroyed it must go somewhere. You can't purchase a 600 watt LED array and it only pull 250 300 watts And be able to make a fair comparison between a standard HPS light. Which in a way, its a standardized power level and therefore more consistent and most importantly reproducible. Unlike these arbitrary numbers that are thrown out to describe LED power levels. Its not consistent and not reproducible.
So how can anyone say with any certainty that one is better than the other without any standard reference point. I hope I'm getting my thoughts cross I know I tend to talk too much. But that's where I think the problem lies in LED technology, it's just not consistent between manufacturers specifications and advertisements.
Keep it Geen
Smoken-n-Token
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Thats LED PornNow, that is an LED grow light! that's all I can say about that
Ace Yonder
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I understand the fear, my understanding though is that even if they saw a random hotspot, they still have to fill out paperwork that states why they have probable cause to effect a search and seizure, and I doubt that the heat generated by one 600w light would quialify for PC in most jurisdictions, there are just too many other things that could make similar levels of heat. Now, if you were running a 6K op in your garage, that might look a little but more suspect, but one 600w light seems like it wouldn't make an exceptionally large heat footprint.
Ace Yonder
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I almost feel like it's an issue mostly because of the integrated ballasts. HPS lights are also sold based on their maximum wattage, but what wattage they actually run at is up to us because we use separate ballasts and can pick one that puts out the levels we want, we can go magnetic or digital, if we want our 1000w light to pull 1000w we run a ballast at 1000w. With LEDs, the ballast/driver is usually integrated, and as such we don't get to actually regulate the juice that's flowing through the light. Of course it's more complex than that, but in principal I think that's where the problem stems from.The one thing that gets me is the arbitrary numbers that they come out with with LED power levels. Energy cannot be created nor destroyed it must go somewhere. You can't purchase a 600 watt LED array and it only pull 250 300 watts And be able to make a fair comparison between a standard HPS light. Which in a way, its a standardized power level and therefore more consistent and most importantly reproducible. Unlike these arbitrary numbers that are thrown out to describe LED power levels. Its not consistent and not reproducible.
So how can anyone say with any certainty that one is better than the other without any standard reference point. I hope I'm getting my thoughts cross I know I tend to talk too much. But that's where I think the problem lies in LED technology, it's just not consistent between manufacturers specifications and advertisements.
Keep it Geen
Cannasutraorganics
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Recent studies show the brightness of the light on the leaf is what grows the biggest and best. My thought would be to run a 750 hps and in the hood through the reflector put 7 to 10 watt LED about 250 watts. Makes a 1000 watt that will out perform every other 1000 watt light. Make it with 2 sets of LED, one for veg and one for bud. Flip a switch. Also make a high IR setting for end of bud for increased resin and more color in bud.
Smoken-n-Token
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Yeah that would be cool. But in practice it wouldn't be practical. One of the main problems with LED lighting is cooling. Unlike CFLs and fluorescent in lights that have a large surface area, LEDs light source is concentrated in one area and that heat needs to be dissipated. Being attached to a hood of an HPS light wouldn't very effective unfortunately.
Smoken-n-Token
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The funny thing is it's so easy to control the power output of LEDs with a "adjustable constant current circuit" it's very simple . I'm not sure why they don't incorporated it.
Grandmah
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The better led companies tell you what the draw is at the plug. The Apache tech 660 pulls about that in wattage, I don't remember the info from the thread. He shows the work. I guess the thing is you have to find those good companies. Good LEDs aren't cheap thoughThe one thing that gets me is the arbitrary numbers that they come out with with LED power levels. Energy cannot be created nor destroyed it must go somewhere. You can't purchase a 600 watt LED array and it only pull 250 300 watts And be able to make a fair comparison between a standard HPS light. Which in a way, its a standardized power level and therefore more consistent and most importantly reproducible. Unlike these arbitrary numbers that are thrown out to describe LED power levels. Its not consistent and not reproducible.
So how can anyone say with any certainty that one is better than the other without any standard reference point. I hope I'm getting my thoughts cross I know I tend to talk too much. But that's where I think the problem lies in LED technology, it's just not consistent between manufacturers specifications and advertisements.
Keep it Geen
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