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Bullethead21 · Aug 22, 2009

I give up....tired of trying to point out something that is so freakin obvious if they would only spend the time and LEARN!

You guys will be caught up in a bout 5 years maybe if your lucky. Personally never seen such moronic statements made by people that are just bored I guess so they decide to make up some shit they have no idea what they are even talking about or light spectrums or anything.......I forgot the golden rule.....you cant fix stupid!

Sorry, I tried to enlighten some of the peeps that honestly came to this thread to learn about the future uses of LED lighting for growing..but this just aint worth it.......

Good luck in the future guys with whatever you decide to use or grow!

Peace!

Mindmelted · Aug 22, 2009

See that is the problem.The future,you stated that they are better NOW.Which is not the future.
So which is it,bettter now or the future.

littlegrower2004 · Aug 22, 2009

Bullethead21 said:
I give up....tired of trying to point out something that is so freakin obvious if they would only spend the time and LEARN!

You guys will be caught up in a bout 5 years maybe if your lucky. Personally never seen such moronic statements made by people that are just bored I guess so they decide to make up some shit they have no idea what they are even talking about or light spectrums or anything.......I forgot the golden rule.....you cant fix stupid!

Sorry, I tried to enlighten some of the peeps that honestly came to this thread to learn about the future uses of LED lighting for growing..but this just aint worth it.......

Good luck in the future guys with whatever you decide to use or grow!

Peace!

hahhahahha wat have you tried teaching anyone?? all you have said is that some ppl r using super powerful high wattage LEDs and are getting good results. no body on this forum has used said LEDs so what the hell is the point of bringing them up in a thread where ppl r trying to learn from others that have grown with LEDs. ya we all believe that LED is going to be a big part of growing tech in the FUTURE, but right now its not for any one on this site. this thread is LED light users by the way, not LED is the future. he never asked if anyone knew about what the future held for LED.

Nocturn3 · Aug 22, 2009

xesvuli420 said:
Actually there are reasons why people can't do things.
Lets look at the cons of HID systems...

Heat-What if you can't allow much heat buildup, closet grow, cabinet grow, any grow where lack of ventilation could be a problem.

Heat will still be a problem with LEDs, and lack of ventilation will make your plants suffer.

xesvuli420 said:
Power increase-A safe grow is a happy grow, It is a fact that any HID light will increase the users power bill. a 150w will raise it 4-12 dollars, a 250 from 15-30, and a 400 from 30-60. (these are estimates when using the HID only 12 hours. so If you use it more, then guess what) Some people are paranoid about power company narc's, or just can't let a grow go noticed to the payer of the power bill.

If you think an extra 150 watts will get you noticed, you are obviously far to paranoid. Added to this, your last statement speaks volumes about your situation. I'm guessing you are a kid who still lives with your parents, right?

xesvuli420 said:
Price- Guess what, now-a-days the led's can actually be cheaper than HPS systems. As long as you make sure the specs are the same as the more expensive units, then IMO you are getting the a product that should work just as good.

Not a chance in hell of this being true.

xesvuli420 said:
Quiet-Again, in a place where stealth is the key, you don't hear any BZZZZZZZZ coming from under the door.

You mean from an HPS ballast, or from a fan? Most decent ballasts don't buzz, and if you are planning to run any kind of grow with no fans, you are a fool, whether you use leds or hids.

xesvuli420 said:
Long story short, just because you can get away with it, doesn't mean everyone can! Sometimes people have to do things they don't want to do, (like me). Coming here to tell them that they are stupid just doesn't work for me. Most people here are out of options, and its either use LEDs or don't grow. Of course some are here just because they want to try something out. I shouldn't even submit this post because this thread is for those who are looking to make the right investment decision in a quality LED product. We are not debating which one is better. Oh well! have a nice day

Here's another option for you: CFLs. They are low wattage, cheap as hell, and most importantly, proven to work. Don't waste your money on gimmicks for the sake of some "dandelion bud".

Above all else, get some ventilation sorted. If you can't, then you have picked a bad grow spot, and your plants will yield very little, if they even make it to harvest.This advice applies whether you use LED, CFL or HID. Plants need fresh air.

BTW, here's where I got the "dandelion bud reference" from. This thread is written by a grower who was objective about LEDs, did everything right, and still got terrible results (just like 99% of the others do). I think it gives a pretty good idea of what the current generation lights are capable of:

180w jumbo ufo grow(in progress)

Bullethead21 · Aug 23, 2009

WOW...your so far behind, and your head so far up your ass.... I would not know where to begin....like I said earlier, all you LED's haters will be eatin shit very soon..as NOW as in TODAY...not lights of the FUTURE!!

You wouldn't know the "point" if it was stuck up your ass idiot!

If you had read or are even capable of reading I was talking about PRICING in the future numnutz...not the LED technology which you obviously know NOTHING about!

Thanks for reminding me why I stopped posting on public boards......people like you! I can do without!

littlegrower2004 said:
hahhahahha wat have you tried teaching anyone?? all you have said is that some ppl r using super powerful high wattage LEDs and are getting good results. no body on this forum has used said LEDs so what the hell is the point of bringing them up in a thread where ppl r trying to learn from others that have grown with LEDs. ya we all believe that LED is going to be a big part of growing tech in the FUTURE, but right now its not for any one on this site. this thread is LED light users by the way, not LED is the future. he never asked if anyone knew about what the future held for LED.

Nocturn3 · Aug 23, 2009

Bullethead21, you still haven't told us what light setup you are using. :lol:

littlegrower2004 · Aug 23, 2009

Bullethead21 said:
I give up....tired of trying to point out something that is so freakin obvious if they would only spend the time and LEARN!

You guys will be caught up in a bout 5 years maybe if your lucky. Personally never seen such moronic statements made by people that are just bored I guess so they decide to make up some shit they have no idea what they are even talking about or light spectrums or anything.......I forgot the golden rule.....you cant fix stupid!

Sorry, I tried to enlighten some of the peeps that honestly came to this thread to learn about the future uses of LED lighting for growing..but this just aint worth it.......

Good luck in the future guys with whatever you decide to use or grow!

Peace!

Bullethead21 said:
Did not say they were at current. I was stating they ARE superior to ANY HID lighting made and they ARE the future!

Maybe you should re-read not only what I posted but this entire thread.

YOu can build them yourself if you wanted to use one now, BTW.

Just another negative type post agaisnt LED lighting from people who do not know better.

i could find about 3 more posts just like this from you bullet. all your saying is a single company is making high power LEDs and that they will be the future once they hit market. and if you seriously think one company will be able to supply the whole growing community with these LEDs your stupider than you seem. mayb you should realize ive used current LEDs that are in the market right now and i still am using them. u havent shown any proof of you using or even seeing LEDs grow. all you have said is these new lights can out grow HID and yuo have to see to believe. if only one company is using them how did you get your dumb ass to see them??

Crimble · Aug 23, 2009

One of the bigger problems I see with the "Are L.E.D. lights a true alternative to using HID lights?" debate is the generlization of what kind of L.E.D.'s can be applied to a grow.

Just saying "I grown with an L.E.D." is too general for me, you could be using LED Christmas lights for all we know, and in the end, your statement of "LED'S suck for growing" would seem valid

What about the type of company and spectrum and wattage and genetics, hydro, soil, air, reflection, ect... so many other factors to just have people post "LED's suck man".

Not many people talk about the feature of simplicity that an LED option offers over any HID option. The elimination of ballasts, hoods, extension cords from the ballasts to the hoods, excessive heat, weight (in case needing to break down shop real quick) come into considderation for me at least.

Is anyone using GROWL L.E.D.s or are you using that UFO product? Homemade and DIY's should be put in another thread. I only want to know about real established company's, what ones besides Growl and UFo exist?

I think GROWL company is on the right track, maybe not today but they seem to be doing everything right to get the best science and best product produced. (I have nothing to do with them other than buying a veg light from that I have yet to use)

From everything I can see, and have done research on, it seems to me that at the VERY least, the "all blue" veg lights from Growl that I have seen seem to be a REAL alternative to using HID for vegetation. That to me IS a positive point and one that the LED industry should be happy to build on. If you can eliminate the need for ballasts, hood ventilation, and extra wiring in your veg room, its a start and it will help with simplifying your operation.

I'm sorry to not have first hand knowledge of how an LED will produce bud, that to me is the real question... Can you get just as Dense, Potent Bud, with an LED as you can with an HID?

littlegrower2004 · Aug 23, 2009

ok im not sure why ppl think that LEDs dont come with ballasts??? both my LED UFOs have ballast so why do ppl keep saying they dont?? if they dont have a ballast then i would doubt they even have enough power to truely need one. for answering the ? can you get dense... from my experience the bud doesnt compare to that of HPS. yes its dense and potent but quantity and the amount of dense buds is less than HPS. the top nugs are nice and dense for my strains GDP, Killer Queen, and Grape Ape but lower than 6in the buds get real airy and weak. i have taken the same strains under HPS and the results blew the LEDs to shame. with LEDs not producing much heat they can be placed closely to the plants which increases the light intensity to the direct tops, imo causes the dense nugs. with HPS the lights can b a foot away and still got a foot of dense buds.

jay510 · Aug 23, 2009

i will be the first my L.E.D works nice so far on my shorter plant nice dense buds as for my taller plants they look nice to they youger than my shorter one i will say get an led its works you be the judge for yourself and these are real pic grown from led thank let me know what you think

Nocturn3 · Aug 23, 2009

Crimble said:
One of the bigger problems I see with the "Are L.E.D. lights a true alternative to using HID lights?" debate is the generlization of what kind of L.E.D.'s can be applied to a grow.

Just saying "I grown with an L.E.D." is too general for me, you could be using LED Christmas lights for all we know, and in the end, your statement of "LED'S suck for growing" would seem valid

What about the type of company and spectrum and wattage and genetics, hydro, soil, air, reflection, ect... so many other factors to just have people post "LED's suck man".

Not many people talk about the feature of simplicity that an LED option offers over any HID option. The elimination of ballasts, hoods, extension cords from the ballasts to the hoods, excessive heat, weight (in case needing to break down shop real quick) come into considderation for me at least.

Is anyone using GROWL L.E.D.s or are you using that UFO product? Homemade and DIY's should be put in another thread. I only want to know about real established company's, what ones besides Growl and UFo exist?

I think GROWL company is on the right track, maybe not today but they seem to be doing everything right to get the best science and best product produced. (I have nothing to do with them other than buying a veg light from that I have yet to use)

From everything I can see, and have done research on, it seems to me that at the VERY least, the "all blue" veg lights from Growl that I have seen seem to be a REAL alternative to using HID for vegetation. That to me IS a positive point and one that the LED industry should be happy to build on. If you can eliminate the need for ballasts, hood ventilation, and extra wiring in your veg room, its a start and it will help with simplifying your operation.

I'm sorry to not have first hand knowledge of how an LED will produce bud, that to me is the real question... Can you get just as Dense, Potent Bud, with an LED as you can with an HID?

I agree with you that LEDs seem to perform very well during veg. I wouldn't spend that much on a veg light myself, but if I had a lot of disposable income, I would be happy to get one, based on what I have seen them do.

Flowering is a different story entirely. There is not a chance in hell I would consider any of the current, commercially available setups as my sole means of flowering. If I was growing lettuce I would, but not weed.

Speaking of which, check out this site for the procyon 100. This will show anyone who labels me as a "hater" or HPS fanboy that I am aware of what LEDs are potentially capable of. If that was a budded weed plant rather than a lettuce, I would be sold. :-P

I think the development of LED grow lights stalled when NASA was satisfied with the range of crops they were growing. If they were interested in growing weed in space, we would have decent LED flowering lights by now.

littlegrower2004 · Aug 23, 2009

jay510 said:
i will be the first my L.E.D works nice so far on my shorter plant nice dense buds as for my taller plants they look nice to they youger than my shorter one i will say get an led its works you be the judge for yourself and these are real pic grown from led thank let me know what you think

haha holy shit!!! how much did u spend on getting all those LEDs?? looks like a few UFOs with a pyrocon in there possibly. along with a bunch of CFLs. all that money and you could have got one HPS and done just as good if not better.

haha and im not even a LED hater, i grow with these and still think thats absurd to have all that in there.

Nocturn3 · Aug 23, 2009

jay510 said:
i will be the first my L.E.D works nice so far on my shorter plant nice dense buds as for my taller plants they look nice to they youger than my shorter one i will say get an led its works you be the judge for yourself and these are real pic grown from led thank let me know what you think

That seems like a potentially expensive setup mate. Looks nice though. What wattage are you running in total? How much of it is CFL?

Also, have you had a harvest from these lights yet?

jay510 · Aug 23, 2009

littlegrower2004 said:
haha holy shit!!! how much did u spend on getting all those LEDs?? looks like a few UFOs with a pyrocon in there possibly. along with a bunch of CFLs. all that money and you could have got one HPS and done just as good if not better.

haha and im not even a LED hater, i grow with these and still think thats absurd to have all that in there.

hahaha back at you i got money to play with hater and i also have 2 1000w hps and 2 600w hps setup hater i seen your fuckups with L.E.D ur dont know what the fuck your doing with L.E.D grow get ur weight up then holla at me

jay510 · Aug 23, 2009

Nocturn3 said:
That seems like a potentially expensive setup mate. Looks nice though. What wattage are you running in total? How much of it is CFL?

Also, have you had a harvest from these lights yet?

i have 3 90w ufo and a 120w panel and 3 68w cfl i guess totally 530w i one little fan room stay around 82 degrees without a/c im saving money on electric bill thats why i switch to LED and this will be my first grow with them ill let you know foreal on the dry harvest

Nocturn3 · Aug 23, 2009

jay510 said:
i have 3 90w ufo and a 120w panel and 3 68w cfl i guess totally 530w i one little fan room stay around 82 degrees without a/c im saving money on electric bill thats why i switch to LED and this will be my first grow with them ill let you know foreal on the dry harvest

Cool, I'd be interested to see the results. I think you're in with a better chance than LED-only growers by implementing the CFLs. I hear they help make up some of what the LEDs are lacking, spectrum-wise, and the 2 types of light combined has the potential to yield better than either type alone would.

Keep us posted. How long do your girls have left?

Crimble · Aug 23, 2009

"ok im not sure why ppl think that LEDs dont come with ballasts??? both my LED UFOs have ballast so why do ppl keep saying they dont?? if they dont have a ballast then i would doubt they even have enough power to truely need one."

The Growl LED's say they don't need one, they just plug into a 120v outlet, just like a CPU or a TV.

"yes its dense and potent but quantity and the amount of dense buds is less than HPS"

Thank you, that is the feed back I think this thread was intended for.

So it seems to me that the general consensus is that:
Light penetration to the lower/under canopy during flower is one main draw back?

Can reflective material solve or signifigantly reduce this issue? One solution I have seen, for my friends who use the Growl LED units, is mount a unit not only from the ceiling but also the 4 sides (walls) as well. With LED's you have more mounting placement options I would think because of the reduced heat and small size of the LED unit.

Nocturn3 · Aug 23, 2009

The growl lights may or may not be good, but their website alone does little to inspire confidence. They make the same bullshit claims about what their lights are supposed to replace, and have nothing to back this up. There is also a distinct lack of any kind of technical information. Just marketing BS. It seems like they are trying to appeal to impulse buyers, rather than serious growers.

As for the lights themselves, the lumen ratings seem abysmal, and whilst I know the "lumens are for humans" bullshit, that's the only measurement of light they give you on their site, and 12000 lumens for 300 watt seems shocking to me. Is this normal for LEDs?

jay510 · Aug 23, 2009

Nocturn3 said:
Cool, I'd be interested to see the results. I think you're in with a better chance than LED-only growers by implementing the CFLs. I hear they help make up some of what the LEDs are lacking, spectrum-wise, and the 2 types of light combined has the potential to yield better than either type alone would.

Keep us posted. How long do your girls have left?

the smaller ones in about 2 weeks the taller ones the end of sept ill let you know

mipbar · Aug 23, 2009

I purchased 2 UFO Tribands from High Tech Garden off Ebay for ~$200 a piece, and vegged 8 plants flawlessly with MG soil. 5 weeks, no nutes, and different strains ranged from 14-21 inches tall, blue mystic, shortest, and strawberry haze tallest. I was going to wait 6 weeks, but they grew too tall as it is.

I just put them into 12/12, but with a 400w hps and one LED UFO, with the other LED doing a clone job at the moment.

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