Leaf defiency?

Hi gents...got a couple defiencies going on with my outdoor plants and im unsure what it is ..im thinking its maganese?
Both plants show same sign but one is more progressed or something else is going on..
First photo is the worst and the pic i have outlined you can see its the same on second plant.
Second plant

Any ideas ........ Happy new year guys..

Tas devil said:

Hi gents...got a couple defiencies going on with my outdoor plants and im unsure what it is ..im thinking its maganese?
Both plants show same sign but one is more progressed or something else is going on..
First photo is the worst and the pic i have outlined you can see its the same on second plant.View attachment 4258033 View attachment 4258034
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Any ideas ........ Happy new year guys..

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Others will chime in.
I'm just guessing the 1st thing that comes to mind.
Russet Mites.

Kushash said:

Others will chime in.
I'm just guessing the 1st thing that comes to mind.
Russet Mites.

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That was my first thought particularly the first few pictures but I can't see any spots? Something's curling those leaves but I can't see it so idk yet, how closely have you inspected those leaves with a loop?

Beachwalker said:

That was my first thought particularly the first few pictures but I can't see any spots? Something's curling those leaves but I can't see it so idk yet, how closely have you inspected those leaves with a loop?

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It was the 1st two pictures that I am going by also.
Check out the big leaf at 12 o'clock in the second picture.
The yellow between the veins.
I thing that is from the mites feeding on the underside of the leaves.

If it's not bugs, it's probably early mag def with a little heat stress.

Ive checked the worst one and found nothing..the first plant has had it half its life .i thought it was something to do with the soil.so i just gave it water hoping for it to b released from roots .it start clearing up then it came back ...and suddenly..i have 3 other plants in same area same ammendments etc and are growing well..i did think it was heat stress with the sides curling.but ive given it ample watering.half the plant has it mostly on one side...heres the first plant then second one..

I can't see anything that gives me more information in this last pics. I will say that I'm extremely anal about weeds growing around my plants, it just invites bugs that you don't want. Being proactive and staying on top of potential issues beats chasing your tail, trying to figure out what happened.

Its def not bugs as the area has been pyrethium sprayed and with flyspray etc..theres grasshoppers atm thats my main concern..i did have aphids early on but got them under control using de and aphid spray...its def a def but the only one i can think itis is magnesium..all holes got one cup of oyster shell at start so it shouldnt need calcium..
Say if it mag how long should i give it to it ?a couple days then see if it clears up over a week?

Oyster shell flour or crushed? Flour will go to work right away, and crushed will take time. If you have both, add both. The flour will be available quick, and the crushed will help you long term. Epsom salt is a good option too, and if you foliar feed it, it can turn a def around in a hurry.

Tas devil said:

Its def not bugs as the area has been pyrethium sprayed and with flyspray etc..theres grasshoppers atm thats my main concern..i did have aphids early on but got them under control using de and aphid spray...its def a def but the only one i can think itis is magnesium..all holes got one cup of oyster shell at start so it shouldnt need calcium..
Say if it mag how long should i give it to it ?a couple days then see if it clears up over a week?

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OK!
I'm going to follow along.
Magnesium is what is your concern is not manganese as stated in the 1st post.
Could be.

Keep in mind these mites are microscopic and not easily seen.

Not sure how magnesium is causing the twisting leaves.

Time will tell.
Good Luck!

It was in flour form.plants are great beside whats wrong.. the sec plants has only had it near a week.they have been getting aloe and kelp ferment npk around 1.5 to 1.9 als has 5% cal mag.they have had it a week or so ago then some bat guarno fortnite before that.only had that once to give them a boost npk 10/10/2 .one thing though i have a blue lab soil pen and ground had a little moisture but when i checked soil it was like 5.8 and other plant 6.1 so i gave them water which was 6.3 then phd that to 7.2 to bring ph up and was going to do that till i see it come up..but when i checked later it was saying 7.2 lol ..

Kushash said:

OK!
I'm going to follow along.
Magnesium is what is your concern is not manganese as stated in the 1st post.
Could be.

Keep in mind these mites are microscopic and not easily seen.

Not sure how magnesium is causing the twisting leaves.

Time will tell.
Good Luck!

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Thanks bud..i reckon it could b heat as it was hot 30deg..

Yesterday they had water phd to 6.8..my tank rain water is 6.3

You growing organic and ph-ing your feed?

The reason i done that was because it was showing low ph of 5.8 so i phd only water to bring it up i phd water to 7.2 and was expecting the ph of soil to climb a litte but did not expect it to b 7.2 lol..i sorta dont understand why it said it was low when im giving it organic nutes.it should b around 6.8 ..the pen was calibrated before i tested soil..its like because the soil is dry it gave an incorrect reading so im stumped how to test it..if i say use the tank water at 6.3 is the soil going to read that ph?..ill go out shortly and test again and see where its at...

Kushash said:

OK!
I'm going to follow along.
Magnesium is what is your concern is not manganese as stated in the 1st post.
Could be.

Keep in mind these mites are microscopic and not easily seen.

Not sure how magnesium is causing the twisting leaves.

Time will tell.
Good Luck!

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^ Exact what I was wondering ?

Hey guys..ive taken some more pictures for you to have a bit of a look.you can see in pics one plant shows more on the lower leaves in places and in other spots on the sec set from the top..the plant thats worse off shows it aswell ..i ph the really crook one and is at 6.8 6.9 and other 6.5 6.6 in the 2 spots i done..is there a possibility its mn and fe on the crook plant and just fe on the other...ive seen a pic on sensi garden that resembles what i have on one plant.the lightening of the leaf on inside at base ..and looked at a ph chart showing mn and fe out of the ph of plants..

The worse off plant now...you can see in one pic it has the same symtom on some leaves as the first..this one was 6.8 6.9

i have given the plants aloe and kelp ferment on 27th with fas,fulvic acid supplement
foliar sprayed yesterday on both plants. it can b used twice a week ..i usually give it to them once a fortnite...was thinking it is magnesium so ive tried that and waiting to see if any improvement..

There you go, you dug up some good info and I'm sure you will remember what you learned here down the road and it will come in handy.... Sounds like calmag should take care of it, most calmag that I know of has iron in it. I would check that plant over again real close just to see why those leaves are tacoed like that. Double triple check for bugs, just to make sure.