Lansing Sept 7th

there is no tension, they are crooks and i am trying to show people that are nothing but a bunch of money hungry people with a website, lol.

Go to their website and look under victims of the system.
First the title, you are not a victim of the system, the system works for 99% of us out there. the title should read victims of their own stupidity.
they are rallying around a guy that sold to undercover cops with NO card, sold and maintained a drug house within a school system (500ft) and was over weight in amount processed and # of plants.

The wife went to jail and they called for a letter campaign to send her .25 cents to be added to her account daily, wasting and making someones job that much harder.

REALLY??
THis is what the MMMA is advocating?
More ill will toward the MMJ community?

We do not need the MMMA.
 

hic

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We do not need to be governed or lead by the mma that's for sure. Michigan needs a board of leaders now. If no one does anything the mma will help make the laws and become one of the only voices the state hears.

Now I do not know much about this MMA, but my gut tells me it is full of preppy over educated cock suckers. They feel as though they are of the same breed that runs all these towns and cities and school board members "not all but the mass percentage" is of a breed I feel is un attached from realities and are blind as bats to reality and will not ever shove selfishness aside if it means sacrifice of anything.

There are breeds of men like there are breeds of dogs. We are letting the wrong breeds lead us in more ways then marijuana growing, but yet marijuana growing is the topic. So give me transparency and a new breed to send my extra cash cause I ain't going to be sending it to this MMA.
 
but my gut tells me it is full of preppy over educated cock suckers. They feel as though they are of the same breed that runs all these towns and cities and school board members "not all but the mass percentage" is of a breed I feel is un attached from realities and are blind as bats to reality and will not ever shove selfishness aside if it means sacrifice of anything.
a few are lawyers that are making or trying to make an name for themselves. their whole business plan shifted when they let go of the core group that held this organization go and told them to take a flying leap. go find a guy named Malamute, he is pretty much the underground face of MMJ in these wood sup here/
 

hic

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Norml is not for me either. Do I have any more options that are MI based? I like what the Stanton Compassion Club is trying to do! They seem to be leaning towards the light. Damn secratary needs to work on her approach to the hic but whatta do?
 

jonnynobody

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it is us republicans that are for less government oversight and more power to the people, more individual responsibility.

How many weeks of unemployment should you get? why live on the governments titty?
You cant complain from both sides of your mouth about the government, it makes you look silly.
I agree with the republican ideology of limited government and more individual protections for the citizens but republicans of today are for tax breaks for the rich, corporate welfare, prolonging unnecessary wars, union busting, and screwing the middle class as a whole. Dems are no better but the lesser of 2 evils...I would consider myself an independent because I don't need a party to tell me how to think like some sheeple do.

That's a pretty arrogant brash statement you made about unemployment, don't you think joc? Do you not understand how unemployment insurance works? It's not a hand out as you make it sound (i.e. live on the governments titty?). People pay into the system through their payroll taxes and are entitled to unemployment payments only if they are unemployed due to no fault of their own and have paid into the system over an extended period of time and can prove their case through an arbitration process facilitated by the state. To answer your question joc, I think they should get as many weeks as their entitled to and not 1 week less. I do not speak from both sides of my mouth either. It makes you look silly to throw around baseless accusations.
 
I agree with the republican ideology of limited government and more individual protections for the citizens but republicans of today are for tax breaks for the rich, corporate welfare, prolonging unnecessary wars, union busting, and screwing the middle class as a whole. Dems are no better but the lesser of 2 evils...I would consider myself an independent because I don't need a party to tell me how to think like some sheeple do.

That's a pretty arrogant brash statement you made about unemployment, don't you think joc? Do you not understand how unemployment insurance works? It's not a hand out as you make it sound (i.e. live on the governments titty?). People pay into the system through their payroll taxes and are entitled to unemployment payments only if they are unemployed due to no fault of their own and have paid into the system over an extended period of time and can prove their case through an arbitration process facilitated by the state. To answer your question joc, I think they should get as many weeks as their entitled to and not 1 week less. I do not speak from both sides of my mouth either. It makes you look silly to throw around baseless accusations.
tax breaks for everyone that make over $100,000 was the original starting point.
Corporate welfare?? coming from a democrat and you cry corporate welfare? lol how many welfare recipients vote democrat?
Obama said he was closing Guantanamo bay? under his watch we are bombing Libya, Iran and whoever is against Israel is his friend. try again

There was a time for unions and that time has past as has unemployment insurance
if you cant find a job, nothing is tying you down, move. and yes it is that simple.
People will do alot when they are forced to fend for themselves and not rely on the government.

I look silly anyway.
 

jonnynobody

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tax breaks for everyone that make over $100,000 was the original starting point.
Corporate welfare?? coming from a democrat and you cry corporate welfare? lol how many welfare recipients vote democrat?
Obama said he was closing Guantanamo bay? under his watch we are bombing Libya, Iran and whoever is against Israel is his friend. try again

There was a time for unions and that time has past as has unemployment insurance
if you cant find a job, nothing is tying you down, move. and yes it is that simple.
People will do alot when they are forced to fend for themselves and not rely on the government.

I look silly anyway.
Dude save the political rhetoric...this is not the sean hannity show and I am not a democrat as you like to suggest. Both parties are pieces of shit as far as I'm concerned. I don't even know what you're talking about with this $100,000 tax break thing. And if you need any finer example of corporate welfare you need look no further than GE who made $14.1 billion in profits in 2010, $5.1 billion of which came from its US operations and paid ZERO income tax. The oil industry gets the same grease-ball deal in subsidies they don't deserve or need. How many welfare recipients vote democrat? I don't have any clue as I don't hangout with welfare recipients and discuss their political affiliations nor do I care. Guantanamo bay? Why do I care?

As for the 3 wars this country is involved in right now; I support none of them. Why go to war with countries that didn't even attack us and perpetually waste hundreds of billions of dollars that we don't have? That's called military industrial complex welfare. Are you against that as a self identified frugal republican? If not, I may be inclined to call you a hypocrite. I'll give you time to prove me wrong though.

You don't seem to understand the ramifications of sudden unemployment for the typical responsible taxpaying citizen who has financial responsibilities (i.e. children, mortgages, etc..) which is why the rest of us who do consider those ramifications support the unemployment insurance system as it is. Not only did those taxpayers pay into the system for that very insurance but it would be incredibly detrimental to the economy as a whole if all of a sudden families could no longer pay their mortgage payments, car payments, insurance premiums, utility bills, shop for groceries, etc....you see, sudden unemployment effects the community as a whole, NOT just the individual which is what is referred to as a ripple effect. That is why we as a society know it's best to maintain unemployment insurance for responsible taxpayers who become unemployed due to no fault of their own for a reasonable amount of time so that they can again find employment and keep the big wheels of the economy turning. It's not as simple as you claim. More simple minded than anything.

and I don't mind if you look silly...it entertains me :)
 

stumpjumper

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I have to agree, Moving and getting a job somewhere else isn't always an option, some of us actully happen to be tied down.
 

panhead

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it is us republicans that are for less government oversight and more power to the people, more individual responsibility.

How many weeks of unemployment should you get? why live on the governments titty?
You cant complain from both sides of your mouth about the government, it makes you look silly.
First off unemployment isnt the governments titty,the program is fully funded by employee & employer contributions,that means no government freebies.

Employers who have above state assesed levels of unemployement pay a larger tax over assesed levels & employees who collect unemployement pay tax on the monies they recieve from unemployement.

Whats free with the unemployment program.

Seasonal workers all rely on unemployement as part of their yearly income & being lazy dont have shit to do with it,construction workers,road & bridge builders,farm workers ect,all these jobs are in the top 10 most dangerous jobs in the country as well as being the 1st jobs to go when the economy takes a shit,all seasonal workers work their asses off way harder than their year round counterparts in the work force,why ? Beacuse the work season gets even shorter for lazy people,seasonal workers bust their ass every work day & you'd deny them the program that was designed with seasonal workers in mind.

Welfare is the governments tit not unemployement.
 

staple

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MMMA is full of conspiracy theorists and hippys trying to find a witch hunt i have heard blueberry speak at a few of my local township meetings he sounds like a televangelist, we don't need the MMMA there is a great community of MJ patients out there you just have to meet them, i have met many. The mmma has not been effective and will not ever be effective their methods are out dated and stale. If the people of michigan didnt want it and the state really wouldnt allow it then we wouldnt have medical mj its not going anywhere but i will agree clarity is needed. MMMA only exists because their is money to be made. This is exactly why i starte mmm network and been trying this year to get mmmlounge to be a bigger community i dont want the mmma to be the #1 online resource for michigan medical mj fuck them imo

I have lived in Michigan all of my life i love this state its where i raise my kids no need to complain about how its ran they are doing better than i could corruption is everywhere State of Michigan start taxing i got my checkbook ready. Our state needs the money!
 
fuck blueberry. they had a member that had a house burn down east or west of GR. I was going down there to see an old friend so I packed all my old clothes and some of my wifes old stuff she wanted to donate to this family, I mean 3-55 gallon garbage bags full of clothes. I told BB where i was staying and that they could go into to the front desk and pick up the clothes. I was there for 3 days and noone came to pick up the clothes. I ended throwing them away.

But he is like Miracl-Gro. some people like it and some dont.
 

hic

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I know you ain't talking about the seasonal workers that steal the children and smuggle coke. I know you are talking about american citizen seasonal workers cause if you are talking about the migrants you are sadly mistaken.
 

Murfy

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how about this-

if we quit acting like monkeys, throwing shit, and more like humans, we will instantly have gained.

fuck the mmma, if you want.

lets take advantage of their marketing and use their event to have OUR voices heard. alot of their grievances are valid. as a matter of fact i share some of them.
we need to quit the infighting and verbal one upamnship.
some of the best ideas i've ever heard in my life came from the simplest people. this simple person is saying movement towards a united front would be advantageous. one of prosperity, and health.
very few of the techniques my grandfather taught me fail.
 

panhead

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There was a time for unions and that time has past as has unemployment insurance
if you cant find a job, nothing is tying you down, move. and yes it is that simple.
People will do alot when they are forced to fend for themselves and not rely on the government.

I look silly anyway.
Silly or not you made some very ignorant statements.

The days of unions being needed are over you say,why is that ? Has corporate greed lessoned ? has your job become safer ? Is there somebody at your place of business looking at the books from both sides making sure the employees get a fair wage increase based on profit & loss ?

Here are the most important questions of all.

Are your children going to have a better way of life than you ?

Are your children going to be able to spend as many off work hours with their family as you ?

Are your children going to be able to afford to raise a family where there is enough money in the household so one parent can stay home to raise the children ?

If your childrens spouses do decide to work full time carrers as my wife did will the extra income be mandated to help feed the family & for bills,or will the extra income be used to pursue the american dream of family vacations,paid off cars & homes before retirement,a real savings portforlio instead of the more common modern day portfolio of debt ?

The upcomming generations are the 1st not to be assured a better life than the previous generation,your children will work more hours than you for less pay,they will spend more time working & less time with their family,they will work more hours yet be deeper in debt & have less salary from jobs requiring much more at home or after salaried hour non paying work than you.

You can thank the anti union spirit that has swept the usa,most see unions for what they personally do not get from their current job,then out of jealousy & spite bash something they have little or no experience with.

Before i retired my job designation was a journeyman operating enjineer,i ran the big tower construction cranes before i was promoted to site superintendant,my union contract demanded that i be paid no less than $32 an hour,plus another $7 an hour as vacation pay,plus another $8 an hour paid into my pension,plus just over $9 an hour twords health insurance,that put my total minimum base pay package at $56 an hour & thats before bonuses,my base salary was roughly $80,000 a year on average.

My non union counterparts pay ranges from $17 an hour up to $25 an hour,health insurance that has a $1,500 deductable per member,no dental,no hearing or eye care & a shitty ass 401k plan that requires money out of the allready sub par salary to fund the retirement.

The differences between my non union counterpart & myself on an hour per hour basis is over $30,000 per year,both men doing the exact same work,both men having the same job requirements & skillset,yet one man has a wage where he can save & live a good life while the other man lives from week to week his whole life.

The commercial/industrial construction industry is extremely competitave,projects ranging up into several hunderd billion dollars are won or lost over less than $1,000 every day,the material costs,permit costs ect are equal for union & non union alike but labor is far cheaper on the non union side,this should give non union contractors such an unfair advantage that they would get every job but its not the case,non union construction charges the exact same price per sq ft as their union counterparts who make a substancialy higher salary.

Corporate greed is where its at & as long as young americans shit on unions out of envy or misconception you are driving the nails in the coffins in which your children will be in at an early age from working their lives away to just stay afloat.

Fyi of all anti unemployement forum members,there are major differences between illegal migrants & migratory workers,a person who regulary travels more than 2 county's from his home county for work is considered a migratory worker.
 

panhead

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http://youtu.be/XVmKyJXHXRE

the pursuit of happiness is guaranteed for everyone.
people in the unions are scared and have to have strength in numbers because their work ethics are so bad.
So let me retort,i post 40 years of personal experience & your come back is a slogan dreamed up by the right to work group of lobbiests & is posted in every wallmart across america,oh plus a youtube vid.

Pretty much the same parroting most youth across america who have low paying jobs & act thankfull spout,the next holiday you spend working ,or too broke to put your family on a plane & fly them to florida for the holiday weekend,just think of the big wigs in your corporate office,they aint too broke & they sure as hell aint working for overtime,they dont need overtime because they keep what they should be paying you,but your loyal to them,most likely thankfull too.

Does your wife's salary help pay the monthly bills,chances are the answer is yes,do you enjoy needing 2 full incomes just to make ends meet ? Thank the anti union lobby for your way of life,when i was working we only needed my income to live,all the wifes was saved for 27 years,retired now without a single concern about money,both of our pensions total over $6,000 a month after taxes,home paid off 100%,a sizeable savings portfolio & im only 54 years old,i attribute everything i own to my work ethic as well as my union forcing my employer to pay me everything they should have, based on yearly profit,not rehetoric like non union workers.

I would love to know your profession,if its blue collar chances are your paid 40% lower than your union counterpart,happy bout that ?
 

jonnynobody

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http://youtu.be/XVmKyJXHXRE

the pursuit of happiness is guaranteed for everyone.
people in the unions are scared and have to have strength in numbers because their work ethics are so bad.
You offer no relevant information to support your facts. I thought you were a respected person here but I'm beginning to think you may just be a blow hard with a large number of posts and distorted ideology. Sure hope you prove me wrong as we share some common ground but I hope your statements in the future reflect a higher degree of intellect than you've shown thus far.
 

jonnynobody

Well-Known Member
So let me retort,i post 40 years of personal experience & your come back is a slogan dreamed up by the right to work group of lobbiests & is posted in every wallmart across america,oh plus a youtube vid.

Pretty much the same parroting most youth across america who have low paying jobs & act thankfull spout,the next holiday you spend working ,or too broke to put your family on a plane & fly them to florida for the holiday weekend,just think of the big wigs in your corporate office,they aint too broke & they sure as hell aint working for overtime,they dont need overtime because they keep what they should be paying you,but your loyal to them,most likely thankfull too.

Does your wife's salary help pay the monthly bills,chances are the answer is yes,do you enjoy needing 2 full incomes just to make ends meet ? Thank the anti union lobby for your way of life,when i was working we only needed my income to live,all the wifes was saved for 27 years,retired now without a single concern about money,both of our pensions total over $6,000 a month after taxes,home paid off 100%,a sizeable savings portfolio & im only 54 years old,i attribute everything i own to my work ethic as well as my union forcing my employer to pay me everything they should have, based on yearly profit,not rehetoric like non union workers.

I would love to know your profession,if its blue collar chances are your paid 40% lower than your union counterpart,happy bout that ?
Hate to be assuming but he strikes me as the kind of person who has never had real struggle in his life yet chooses to act as though he has. Gotta love the outsider looking in who knows all. You aren't missing your sean hannity episode are yo joc?
 
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