What is the threshhold for the sedative effects, last night when I consumed it felt super uppity at first (like a caffeiene buzz, then I felt tired). What gram dosage in powder would give me a nice easy sedative feeling, like I dont want to blackout right away, but a nice pain killing buzz that will assist in sleep sounds good tonight-so what dosage in powder would you recommend?
Kratom, anyone use it?
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LIBERTYCHICKEN
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That answer is going to be different for everyone
Are you refering to the dose dependant stimulant/sedative effects thing ??? If so all I can tell you is that does not work that way for me , for me it's more dependant on strain , as far as doseage it either works or does not
Im more into the stimulant type effects but for a sedation type try a red vein, borno, or bali, indo, or mayabe a maylay , green maylay is my favorite strain I find it to be stimulating but many find it more relaxing . It's also debateably one of the strongest strains out their it's commonly sold as maega da sometimes mixed with a white sumatra or thai
Are you refering to the dose dependant stimulant/sedative effects thing ??? If so all I can tell you is that does not work that way for me , for me it's more dependant on strain , as far as doseage it either works or does not
Im more into the stimulant type effects but for a sedation type try a red vein, borno, or bali, indo, or mayabe a maylay , green maylay is my favorite strain I find it to be stimulating but many find it more relaxing . It's also debateably one of the strongest strains out their it's commonly sold as maega da sometimes mixed with a white sumatra or thai
LIBERTYCHICKEN
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Check out kratom conisours , they have tons of vendor product reviews , and lots of great kratom info.
I will definitely do some more research! I took 3 grams of powder, and followed with a drink to get rid of taste, nice numbing feeling again-but no heavy sedation, will bump dose to 5 grams next time-But if I am going to try Kratom extensively I will need to buy pills or something, the taste is horrible!
Also I am assuming this plant cant easily be grown alongside my marijuana, Kratom gets super tall correct?
**Edit 2**
Bumped my dosage up by 3 grams, definitely heavy sedation feeling. Also have that itchy kind of feeling that alot report online-tho its not uncomfortable, about to smoke a bowl to go with my dose of Kratom!
Also I am assuming this plant cant easily be grown alongside my marijuana, Kratom gets super tall correct?
**Edit 2**
Bumped my dosage up by 3 grams, definitely heavy sedation feeling. Also have that itchy kind of feeling that alot report online-tho its not uncomfortable, about to smoke a bowl to go with my dose of Kratom!
LIBERTYCHICKEN
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Kratom is a full size tree that needs temps over 50 deg F and humidity , it can be pruned short but the root ball will never get large enouth to produce potent leaf
I curently have 2 plants 1 large that I will likely have to harvest/kill come winter and a small clone I took last fall, It took several atempts to keep 1 alive the soil must be light yet rich and moist
I reguraly use 6-12 grams of powder , The grind of the leaf can make a huge difference , generally the finer the better, also the amount of stem and vein in the leaves can make a huge difference . You can try a secondary screening of powder to remove some stem and veign material most agree this will make the powder more potent but also tends to make it more of a stimulant , however the screened stem and vein acts more like a sedative . I have noticed some vendors add finely ground stem and vein back into the powder of bali's and borneo's and charge a premium for it ( stem and vein is usually cheaper)
When I first started taking kratom I thought capping was the way to go also, but it's a pain capping all that up - I mix my K with choclate milk , take a sip of choclate milk then drink down the K+ choclate milk . The choclate milk not only partly masks the flavor but psycologicly it's not as bad becouse with the choclate milk your expecting something Thick. Also I find just a little milk (fat) on a empty stomach helps activate your digestive system and processes the K faster making it more potent
The only time I use caps now is when Im at work
I curently have 2 plants 1 large that I will likely have to harvest/kill come winter and a small clone I took last fall, It took several atempts to keep 1 alive the soil must be light yet rich and moist
I reguraly use 6-12 grams of powder , The grind of the leaf can make a huge difference , generally the finer the better, also the amount of stem and vein in the leaves can make a huge difference . You can try a secondary screening of powder to remove some stem and veign material most agree this will make the powder more potent but also tends to make it more of a stimulant , however the screened stem and vein acts more like a sedative . I have noticed some vendors add finely ground stem and vein back into the powder of bali's and borneo's and charge a premium for it ( stem and vein is usually cheaper)
When I first started taking kratom I thought capping was the way to go also, but it's a pain capping all that up - I mix my K with choclate milk , take a sip of choclate milk then drink down the K+ choclate milk . The choclate milk not only partly masks the flavor but psycologicly it's not as bad becouse with the choclate milk your expecting something Thick. Also I find just a little milk (fat) on a empty stomach helps activate your digestive system and processes the K faster making it more potent
The only time I use caps now is when Im at work
Drksdfmn138
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Kratom has an upper effect in the beginning normally. It works on those Delta opioid receptors and produces an opiate like effect in higher doses. I have gotten there by brewing the tea up and reducing the liquid needed to ingest. Brew up potent batches. I have also washed the powder down with water. Lemme tell ya how awful both are, but when you need relief, you'll do just about anything.
TexasHank
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I'm using kratom right now to taper off suboxen (which i was using to taper off of H).
I had to take a damn half oz yesterday after being dry for just 1 day..
I'm taking kratom as slow as i can.. (started with 6 grams dried leaf this AM).. after I run out (1/2 oz left), if I don't feel well enough to work then I am giving up.. I'll get back on H for 1 wk to be able to pee dirty for the methadone clinic.. then I'm going to just get methadone for life.
Don't have time to fuck with this anymore.. Been sick on and off for a year straight.. life is too short too live with PAWS for months. Don't have time..
I had to take a damn half oz yesterday after being dry for just 1 day..
I'm taking kratom as slow as i can.. (started with 6 grams dried leaf this AM).. after I run out (1/2 oz left), if I don't feel well enough to work then I am giving up.. I'll get back on H for 1 wk to be able to pee dirty for the methadone clinic.. then I'm going to just get methadone for life.
Don't have time to fuck with this anymore.. Been sick on and off for a year straight.. life is too short too live with PAWS for months. Don't have time..
high|hgih
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Here's what I do(lazy mans route) since you have to eat so much and it's gross:
for one dose:
1) put your dosage in a cup
2) pour hard liquor on it until it covers the kratom(should be around a shot, maybe a little more, higher proof the better)
3) mix it
4) keep mixing it and letting it sit
5) mix, and immediately pour through a cheese cloth/shirt/sock whatever and squeeze alcohol into a new cup
6) you'll have green kratom alcohol, drink it. Use a chaser, but it isn't near as bad as eating it or swallowing a large number of caps.
For multiple doses: do the same process, however add way more kratom and alcohol. I'd use a milk gallon, fill it up half way with kratom if you can. Whatever large amount that you have in there, put just enough alcohol to go maybe a half inch over the top of the kratom(You don't need more than this, more alcohol = less kratom potency.). Id shake it, and personally, to make large brews, I let it sit for awhile in my fridge and agitate it whenever I think about it.
The alcohol is kind of gross, has a kratom taste. And it has this green stuff in it, it's not plant matter, it looks like an oil but has no substance.
If you have a soda or some orange juice and chase it, the kratom taste is non existent. One shot should be enough. If it doesn't work like you wanted it to, take another I guess. Really just wait, it'll kick in. If I take a kratom shot it takes less than 5 minutes to feel it(could be the alcohol warming my stomach haha).
Only down side to this method: If you do too many shots, you'll get drunk.
And the negative side effects of over doing kratom.
This is really the only method that I use. I do cap it though. I have 10 caps left from my last bag and do it maybe once every couple weeks when I'm bored now. Taking those 10 caps gives me a nice buzz.
for one dose:
1) put your dosage in a cup
2) pour hard liquor on it until it covers the kratom(should be around a shot, maybe a little more, higher proof the better)
3) mix it
4) keep mixing it and letting it sit
5) mix, and immediately pour through a cheese cloth/shirt/sock whatever and squeeze alcohol into a new cup
6) you'll have green kratom alcohol, drink it. Use a chaser, but it isn't near as bad as eating it or swallowing a large number of caps.
For multiple doses: do the same process, however add way more kratom and alcohol. I'd use a milk gallon, fill it up half way with kratom if you can. Whatever large amount that you have in there, put just enough alcohol to go maybe a half inch over the top of the kratom(You don't need more than this, more alcohol = less kratom potency.). Id shake it, and personally, to make large brews, I let it sit for awhile in my fridge and agitate it whenever I think about it.
The alcohol is kind of gross, has a kratom taste. And it has this green stuff in it, it's not plant matter, it looks like an oil but has no substance.
If you have a soda or some orange juice and chase it, the kratom taste is non existent. One shot should be enough. If it doesn't work like you wanted it to, take another I guess. Really just wait, it'll kick in. If I take a kratom shot it takes less than 5 minutes to feel it(could be the alcohol warming my stomach haha).
Only down side to this method: If you do too many shots, you'll get drunk.
And the negative side effects of over doing kratom.
This is really the only method that I use. I do cap it though. I have 10 caps left from my last bag and do it maybe once every couple weeks when I'm bored now. Taking those 10 caps gives me a nice buzz.
LIBERTYCHICKEN
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Every time I stoped sub's , I would have to wait at least 3 days for any effect from kratom, I would not get full effects for close to a month
FourZeroTwo
Active Member
Be careful with Kratom, it you are prone to seizures.
Ah, what is the problems?
TexasHank
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That might explain why I needed 1/2 oz to get just a little bit of temporary relief. Really though, I was surprised that it offered the relief that it did..
Normally on those kind of nights I don't sleep much. I was able to get 5 or 6 hrs in thanks to the kratom.
1/2 oz of leaves was a little rough on the stomach.. anxiety and emotional stress was relieved though.. making it well worth it..
randybishop
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FYI: Kratom can be addictive.
https://www.erowid.org/plants/kratom/kratom_journal3.shtml
https://www.erowid.org/plants/kratom/kratom_journal3.shtml
high|hgih
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In my experiences, at one point I became mentally addicted to kratom for some time. I didn't notice, I just took it every day for anxiety, and pruction purposes. It makes me work a lot better and be a lot more friendly.
I ran out one time and was just always anxious and lazy.
I took it daily for a matter of more than just a few months.
So as far as addiction goes, phhh. Whatever.
I ran out one time and was just always anxious and lazy.
I took it daily for a matter of more than just a few months.
So as far as addiction goes, phhh. Whatever.
newbbillion
Member
It's a pretty natural alternative narcotic feeling to kicking harder substances, in no way do I think you should drop all your cash on it, but if your in pain it does work wonders for a lot of people. I've seen hardcore spice heads and bangers walk away completely clean
FourZeroTwo
Active Member
Kratom has been known to cause seizures. Even if a person has no history of them. Apparently it effects the central nervous system (clearly lol)
If you are smoking weed, you shouldn't have any problems. Due to its anti-seizure effects. Just be careful.
bushwickbill
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Man, I was cleaning out my "drug" cabinet in my office. Found a whole bag of kratom that I forgot completelty about. Thought I was out. anywho... good times ahead.