Kellogg Palm, Cactus & Citrus potting mix (undiscovered secret?)

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az2000

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I was at Lowe's yesterday and paused to look at this soil: Kellogg Palm, Cactus & Citrus (All-Purpose Indoor & Outdoor Potting Mix). This stuff looks like ideal soil to me. Zero nutrients, sandy. The texture looks right. It has zero peat.

Just holding a handful of it it feels right. I'm thinking: mix it with 30% Pro-Mix HP (for peat) and 20% perlite.

I've been using Kellogg Patio Plus (60% Pro-Mix, 20% Kellogg, 20% perlite). It works well, but seems a little barky to me. That cactus/palm soil has bark. I think this would reduce the use of Pro-Mix (expensive) and create a nicer (more natural) texture of soil.

I'm going to buy a bag and play with it. It's cheap $6 US for 1 cu. ft. I wanted to mention it in case anyone else might want to experiment with it. I googled and couldn't find anyone using it. That surprises me because it really feels good. If I used it by itself, I'd do 20-30% perlite. I think some peat would help.
 
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tropicalcannabispatient

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az2000 said:
I was at Lowe's yesterday and paused to look at this soil: Kellogg Palm, Cactus & Citrus (All-Purpose Indoor & Outdoor Potting Mix). This stuff looks like ideal soil to me. Zero nutrients, sandy. The texture looks right. It has zero peat.

Just holding a handful of it it feels right. I'm thinking: mix it with 30% Pro-Mix HP (for peat) and 20% perlite.

I've been using Kellogg Patio Plus (60% Pro-Mix, 20% Kellogg, 20% perlite). It works well, but seems a little barky to me. That cactus/palm soil has bark. I think this would reduce the use of Pro-Mix (expensive) and create a nicer (more natural) texture of soil.

I'm going to buy a bag and play with it. It's cheap $6 US for 1 cu. ft. I wanted to mention it in case anyone else might want to experiment with it. I googled and couldn't find anyone using it. That surprises me because it really feels good. If I used it by itself, I'd do 20-30% perlite. I think some peat would help.
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Looks good i will look for it to give it a try., i will maybe use it straight with perlite so i can really tell if any difference. Toke on ====~~
 
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CC Dobbs

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az2000 said:
I was at Lowe's yesterday and paused to look at this soil: Kellogg Palm, Cactus & Citrus (All-Purpose Indoor & Outdoor Potting Mix). This stuff looks like ideal soil to me. Zero nutrients, sandy. The texture looks right. It has zero peat.

Just holding a handful of it it feels right. I'm thinking: mix it with 30% Pro-Mix HP (for peat) and 20% perlite.

I've been using Kellogg Patio Plus (60% Pro-Mix, 20% Kellogg, 20% perlite). It works well, but seems a little barky to me. That cactus/palm soil has bark. I think this would reduce the use of Pro-Mix (expensive) and create a nicer (more natural) texture of soil.

I'm going to buy a bag and play with it. It's cheap $6 US for 1 cu. ft. I wanted to mention it in case anyone else might want to experiment with it. I googled and couldn't find anyone using it. That surprises me because it really feels good. If I used it by itself, I'd do 20-30% perlite. I think some peat would help.
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Interesting observations. You say the soil feels right but you immediately mention that you will need to amend it. Not just by a little, first you are going to amend it with an equal amount of something else and then you change your formula to 20-30% amendment.

You will be posting in the Problems section very soon asking WTF happened.
 
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az2000

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tropicalcannabispatient said:
Looks good i will look for it to give it a try., i will maybe use it straight with perlite so i can really tell if any difference. Toke on ====~~
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I should have bought a bag just to see what the drainage is like. With pumice, it should be pretty good. I think it can be improved with more organic material (like I do with my Pro-Mix, adding Kellogg Patio Plus). It just looks like a better starting point. Instead of a lot of perlite, the pumice should accomplish some of the drainage.

I'll be interested in hearing what you think. Something about the texture feels more like sandy dirt, not the fluffy peat-bog stuff most of us use. I try to change that using Patio Plus, but it seems wood-chippy. It works perfect, but still seems not right to me. Something about this cactus soil seems like the right base.

It struck me as so right that I was surprised someone hasn't already discovered it. I was surprised no google results to that effect. (Of course, that could mean I'm entirely wrong about it, and it's not suitable for growing.).
 
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tropicalcannabispatient

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az2000 said:
I should have bought a bag just to see what the drainage is like. With pumice, it should be pretty good. I think it can be improved with more organic material (like I do with my Pro-Mix, adding Kellogg Patio Plus). It just looks like a better starting point. Instead of a lot of perlite, the pumice should accomplish some of the drainage.

I'll be interested in hearing what you think. Something about the texture feels more like sandy dirt, not the fluffy peat-bog stuff most of us use. I try to change that using Patio Plus, but it seems wood-chippy. It works perfect, but still seems not right to me. Something about this cactus soil seems like the right base.

It struck me as so right that I was surprised someone hasn't already discovered it. I was surprised no google results to that effect. (Of course, that could mean I'm entirely wrong about it, and it's not suitable for growing.).
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U will never know until u try it., i will say go for it, im actually gonna look for it and give it a try. Actually i have to go to lowes today to get some locks and stuff i will look for it. Get a bag and do one plant with it.
 
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az2000

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tropicalcannabispatient said:
Get a bag and do one plant with it.
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Cool! One thing off my "so many things to try, so little time" list. :) Just keep in mind it may need improvement. I'm just thinking the resulting mix would look more like soil and less like the fluffy chocolate, perlite-heavy, barky stuff we often see. More sandy. Seems like it could be a better starting point. $6, what the heck?

I looked at it a year or two ago. But, the other day I saw a bag someone had torn open. That's the first time I saw what it actually looked/felt like. It felt pretty good to me.

You know the deal, I don't need to explain it to you. But, drainage is key. It may need 10-20% perlite. And, some organic material might help. It already has bark (not alot). I'm thinking 20% peat would help. It would be like the typical soil we see all the time, but tilted more toward sand. That's what I've always felt was missing.
 
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tropicalcannabispatient

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az2000 said:
Cool! One thing off my "so many things to try, so little time" list. :) Just keep in mind it may need improvement. I'm just thinking the resulting mix would look more like soil and less like the fluffy chocolate, perlite-heavy, barky stuff we often see. More sandy. Seems like it could be a better starting point. $6, what the heck?

I looked at it a year or two ago. But, the other day I saw a bag someone had torn open. That's the first time I saw what it actually looked/felt like. It felt pretty good to me.

You know the deal, I don't need to explain it to you. But, drainage is key. It may need 10-20% perlite. And, some organic material might help. It already has bark (not alot). I'm thinking 20% peat would help. It would be like the typical soil we see all the time, but tilted more toward sand. That's what I've always felt was missing.
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So u think adding 10% perlite, 20% peat, 10% pumice, and 60% Kellogg palm cactus and citrus? What u think?
 
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az2000

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tropicalcannabispatient said:
So u think adding 10% perlite, 20% peat, 10% pumice, and 60% Kellogg palm cactus and citrus? What u think?
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Just from what I remember seeing/feeling, I'd say 60% cactus, 20% perlite, 20% peat. (maybe 50-25-25). It already felt airy and loose.

I have to go back soon, I'll look at it again. (I should just spend the $7 so I can pour some water through it and see what it looks like.).
 
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simpleleaf

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I know this is an old thread, however I'm preparing to use Kellogg's Palm Cactus & Citrus. I found that the drain water pH was 6.1, so figure that it should be alkalized. I'll either use dolomitic lime, or an alkaline topsoil as a mix.
 
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Blondey1

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I live in Az and have a lot of succulent plants. This is by far the best soil. I had just transplanted about 50 and put outside on a table. Then it got cold. So I covered them with the plastic drop cloth. It’s been less than a month and had to transplant again. The plastic was like a green house effect but the soil even in plants in the house I believe is the key. I won’t use anything but this soil.
 
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