K.I.S.S. Method

driel

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I had pretty good results though some plants showed yellowing lower leaves and on subsequent runs I've found increasing the ppms to 1200+ was required to maintain healthy growth through flower. My girl scout cookie strain in particular is a heavy feeder & my congo also likes more than what KISS calls for but other strains of kush's do fine with just the 7g/gal.
 

im4satori

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damn

more than 7 grams

your getting yellow leaves cuz the N is low in the lucas and that's why I prefer the Hoagland mix cuz it has the N that the lucas is lacking

if your nutrient ratio wasn't low in N you wouldn't be pushing the EC/grams per gallon up in search of more N
 

horribleherk

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consider this

if you buy maxibloom and maxi grow and fulvic acid and kelp and amino acids what will all that cost?

the compare it to the floranova and flora grow which already has all that in it

unless your running a big grow its likely not much of a savings
it's not so much the cost as it is the hassle of mixing all the ingredients at one time or another I've used the gh 3- part , floranova & the maxi I like floranova best I grow 3 plants at any given time so expense isn't much of a factor
 

TheChemist77

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i use maxi grow in veg, at 1/2-1 tsp per gallon,, then for bloom i mix 1/2 tsp maxi grow w/ 1/2 tsp maxi bloom for the first 2 weeks,, i had yellowing going straight from grow in veg to bloom in bloom so the mix really does the trick keeping plants nice and green.. then from week 3-finish i use maxi bloom alone at 1 tsp per gallon..i always try to add 3-5 days of flush w/ gh kleen at 1tsp per gallon,,not only does it remove the white salt build up on the table, but it gets the fall colors in the plants leaves i like..

when i was using flora,, i used 1 tsp per gallon flora grow in veg then 1 tsp per gallon of flora nova bloom for bloom and never had to mix,, never had any yellowing.. no big difference in finished product or yield between maxi and flora,,however i feel if your using floras series a flush is not needed,, i think the flora gives the finish product a more organic taste,,, ive had friends agree the flora left that earthy organic taste to the weed,, maxi needs a flush to get out that chemical taste,,, has anyone else found this to be true??? could just be me,,,idk??
 

vertnugs

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For you fellas on the maxibloom that are going by weight.Especially if your in a highly humid area.

Keep that stuff sealed up well.Do what ya gotta do with it and close it bask up.If it is able to absorb any moisture you're not going to get the true amount of grams of nute.So over time it will slightly change.

Used it in coco and PMHP with nice results.

On Floranova bloom again with mixed strains.4-5 mil per gl every feed every day.Every 2 weeks one good watering with 2 mil per 5 gl with ample runoff.One of my sativas didn't like that much....3 mil is good enough.

My 2 cents.....to me the maxi gave me nicer/healthier lookin plants.But FNB seems to give me better tasting and smelling product.
 

MickFoster

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For you fellas on the maxibloom that are going by weight.Especially if your in a highly humid area.

Keep that stuff sealed up well.Do what ya gotta do with it and close it bask up.If it is able to absorb any moisture you're not going to get the true amount of grams of nute.So over time it will slightly change.
I don't know why anyone would weigh out 7 grams each time they mix a batch of nutes? You only have to measure it out one time and find a teaspoon that holds 7 grams. The teaspoon included in the MaxiBloom package only holds 5 grams - my kitchen teaspoon holds 6.8 grams - close enough.
 

im4satori

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I don't actually have the fertilizer on hand so I cant check it to see what a tsp weighs

so the only way I can speak to it is by weight

but that's a good point about it holding moisture... I think it wouldn't really change anything about the ratio and its likely a small difference... if it was a lot it would show up in the EC/PPM readings
 

Bakersfield

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I don't know why anyone would weigh out 7 grams each time they mix a batch of nutes? You only have to measure it out one time and find a teaspoon that holds 7 grams. The teaspoon included in the MaxiBloom package only holds 5 grams - my kitchen teaspoon holds 6.8 grams - close enough.
A teaspoon of MaxiBloom is 5 grams. I use a scale when mixing dry nutes because I use a 95 gallon reservoir. That's a lot of teaspoons.
 

vertnugs

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I don't know why anyone would weigh out 7 grams each time they mix a batch of nutes? You only have to measure it out one time and find a teaspoon that holds 7 grams. The teaspoon included in the MaxiBloom package only holds 5 grams - my kitchen teaspoon holds 6.8 grams - close enough.

That's what i was doing.......some only use by weight on a scale....but my post was focused on moisture and weight....from experience.
 

im4satori

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arguably I would imagine if the powder is holding moisture it also might be slightly swollen and even a tsp might be a slightly lower EC in that case

but again, personally I don't see it as much of an issue... if it takes an extra pinch to get the target EC so be it
 

driel

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damn

more than 7 grams

your getting yellow leaves cuz the N is low in the lucas and that's why I prefer the Hoagland mix cuz it has the N that the lucas is lacking

if your nutrient ratio wasn't low in N you wouldn't be pushing the EC/grams per gallon up in search of more N
I'll have to check it out. I'm doing another run with maxi to get some more experience with it and I'm getting yellowing again except this time I mixed 1 plant with more compost/additives and it stayed green. It seems you're right that maxibloom alone doesn't have enough nitrogen unless pushing it to much higher ppms which depending on the strain may cause P toxicity. Is there a breakdown of the chemistry of the various grow mixes like how many ppm of N/P/K Mg/Ca/etc per gallon? It feels like too much guesswork when it comes to trying a product out on a strain because not every company is forthcoming with more detailed information.

Some strains seem to do fine with it though. All my Kush strains have maintained color at 7g/gal. I also think it needs to be flushed at least 2 weeks before harvest. 1 plant from my last grow I didn't flush to get an idea of what 2 week flushing, 1 week flushing & no flush taste differences would be for an identical strain and 1 and no flush have a small distinct difference that most people who you hand a joint to wouldn't notice but smoking them day in & day out you can tell.
 

im4satori

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I'll have to check it out. I'm doing another run with maxi to get some more experience with it and I'm getting yellowing again except this time I mixed 1 plant with more compost/additives and it stayed green. It seems you're right that maxibloom alone doesn't have enough nitrogen unless pushing it to much higher ppms which depending on the strain may cause P toxicity. Is there a breakdown of the chemistry of the various grow mixes like how many ppm of N/P/K Mg/Ca/etc per gallon? It feels like too much guesswork when it comes to trying a product out on a strain because not every company is forthcoming with more detailed information.

Some strains seem to do fine with it though. All my Kush strains have maintained color at 7g/gal. I also think it needs to be flushed at least 2 weeks before harvest. 1 plant from my last grow I didn't flush to get an idea of what 2 week flushing, 1 week flushing & no flush taste differences would be for an identical strain and 1 and no flush have a small distinct difference that most people who you hand a joint to wouldn't notice but smoking them day in & day out you can tell.
if your in soil and using only maxibloom you can make up the difference in the N using high N guano or fish to boost your N...and maybe a little tea

or you can mix the maxigrow and maxibloom 50/50 for most of bloom. either way as long as you get some more N in there...

personally I don't flush, imo if your not over fertilizing theres no need for it for either hydro or soil

also, I have noticed my og kush strain that im currently growing is N sensitive... I got some plants screaming yellow for more N and the OG kush is dark green as is

last time I grew here she got N tox easily so keep in mind some varieties may have lower N requirements
 

tampee

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I'm a Jack's Classic man myself don't get any cheaper or simpler you ain't growing any better with Advanced Nutrients I've tried. Lol
 

sidewing

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I know this thread is a little old but just to chime in for what it's worth, I've ran a few rounds with just Maxigrow powder all through veg and flower and the quality and plant health is through the roof. I make my own Silica mixture from AgSil (100g of AgSil to 1liter of RO water and apply at a rate of 2.25ml per gallon - 9ml for 4 gallons in my case).. used with 3tsp of maxigrow in 4 gallons of water my PH is perfect and my plants are extremely healthy. I run beneficial bacteria as well (this is DWC by the way) so I don't have to worry about keeping things clean and the beneficial bacteria allow a wider range of uptake.

2 weeks before harvest I drop down to 1tsp of maxigrow in 4 gal of water and water only the final week.

Extremely simple and very very high quality buds.
 
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