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Vancouver police use of 'Stingray' mass-surveillance device concerns civil liberties group
Geordon Omand, The Canadian Press
Published Wednesday, August 10, 2016 7:22PM EDT
VANCOUVER -- The Vancouver Police Department's revelation that it has indeed employed a controversial mass-surveillance device despite initially insisting it had no documentation of its use raises serious legal and public accountability concerns, a civil liberties group says.
The department said it received help from the RCMP in using a so-called StingRay device during a 2007 investigation in an attempt to track down the cellphone of a person they believed had been abducted.
The admission comes after a protracted back-and-forth battle waged by both the British Columbia Civil Liberties Association and PIVOT Legal Society into whether the Vancouver police have ever used StingRay, an intelligence-gathering tool widely adopted in the United States.
StingRay mimics a cellular communications tower to trick all mobile devices within range to connect to it, giving police text and audio communication as well as the device's location.
Micheal Vonn of the B.C. Civil Liberties Association said it was only after a freedom-of-information request, direct questioning and the prospect of an inquiry by the province's privacy commissioner that the Vancouver police were willingly disclosed any information.
"This certainly raises a number of further questions," Vonn said.
"How, if they've actually used the RCMP's StingRay, could there be no documents: no memorandum of understanding with the RCMP, no policies and procedures, no communications, nothing. This seems deeply problematic."
Vonn said that without regulation it's impossible to know whether police are trampling on civil rights, such as storing the data it collects on innocent people caught in an otherwise indiscriminate intelligence-gathering net.
Const. Brian Montague of the Vancouver police said in an email Wednesday that context is important in order to understand the role played by StingRay in investigations. (but what is more important to know is you could be next - it is not if you are guilty or innocent that matters. What matters is what the government wants you to look like, remember they will do what it takes to reach their end.)
In the 2007 case, the device was used in "exigent circumstances" to investigate the disappearance of a person in a case that has since become a possible homicide, he said.
"It is disappointing to see the BCCLA failed to provide any context regarding that investigation, (and) continues their attempt at public fear mongering," he wrote.
Montague added that disclosing sensitive investigative techniques could compromise officers' ability to fight crime, an argument Vonn dismisses. ( they had a problem before and learned. maybe a trip to the ovens will shut you up too?)
Vonn cited Germany as an example of a country where a rigorous regulatory framework around cell tower simulators hasn't hindered law enforcement.
"That the device was used appropriately once in no means addresses what our constitutional right is," she said.
"To be clear, our constitutional right is to be protected against unreasonable search and seizure. 'Trust us' is not a protection." (bill c51 is constitutional - so what are you going to do ???)
Vonn said it's likely the RCMP have offered similar StingRay services to other jurisdictions across Canada, but it's difficult to know without the requirement for public transparency.(it is very transparent - most choose to not know)
"It's almost mysterious why there has been this just unfathomable amount of secrecy in relation to StingRays," she said.
Public Safety Canada declined a request for an interview with the minister, but in an email statement it says sensitive investigative tools used by the RCMP are classified and that releasing details could harm the public, officer safety and the integrity of the justice system. (bill c51 in your face public bitches)
In a statement, RCMP spokeswoman Annie Delisle said the Mounties don't generally comment on specific investigative methods, tools and techniques outside of court. (that is so you the public are unaware of their Hitler like methods)
"The use of any investigative tools by the RCMP is governed by the Charter and subject to appropriate judicial processes," the statement reads.(just like MMJ is)
"By law, such court orders are limited, specific, and proportionate to the seriousness of the crime under investigation."
BEWARE !!!!!
THIS EQUIPMENT IS BEING USED ALL ACROSS CANADA - CELL PHONES ARE NOT SAFE
'State of Surveillance' with Edward Snowden and Shane Smith (FULL EPISODE) - Duration: 26:56.
VICE
IT IS HAPPENNING AGAIN ~ HEIL TRUDEAU
History repeats itself - look around YOU....
Geordon Omand, The Canadian Press
Published Wednesday, August 10, 2016 7:22PM EDT
VANCOUVER -- The Vancouver Police Department's revelation that it has indeed employed a controversial mass-surveillance device despite initially insisting it had no documentation of its use raises serious legal and public accountability concerns, a civil liberties group says.
The department said it received help from the RCMP in using a so-called StingRay device during a 2007 investigation in an attempt to track down the cellphone of a person they believed had been abducted.
The admission comes after a protracted back-and-forth battle waged by both the British Columbia Civil Liberties Association and PIVOT Legal Society into whether the Vancouver police have ever used StingRay, an intelligence-gathering tool widely adopted in the United States.
StingRay mimics a cellular communications tower to trick all mobile devices within range to connect to it, giving police text and audio communication as well as the device's location.
Micheal Vonn of the B.C. Civil Liberties Association said it was only after a freedom-of-information request, direct questioning and the prospect of an inquiry by the province's privacy commissioner that the Vancouver police were willingly disclosed any information.
"This certainly raises a number of further questions," Vonn said.
"How, if they've actually used the RCMP's StingRay, could there be no documents: no memorandum of understanding with the RCMP, no policies and procedures, no communications, nothing. This seems deeply problematic."
Vonn said that without regulation it's impossible to know whether police are trampling on civil rights, such as storing the data it collects on innocent people caught in an otherwise indiscriminate intelligence-gathering net.
Const. Brian Montague of the Vancouver police said in an email Wednesday that context is important in order to understand the role played by StingRay in investigations. (but what is more important to know is you could be next - it is not if you are guilty or innocent that matters. What matters is what the government wants you to look like, remember they will do what it takes to reach their end.)
In the 2007 case, the device was used in "exigent circumstances" to investigate the disappearance of a person in a case that has since become a possible homicide, he said.
"It is disappointing to see the BCCLA failed to provide any context regarding that investigation, (and) continues their attempt at public fear mongering," he wrote.
Montague added that disclosing sensitive investigative techniques could compromise officers' ability to fight crime, an argument Vonn dismisses. ( they had a problem before and learned. maybe a trip to the ovens will shut you up too?)
Vonn cited Germany as an example of a country where a rigorous regulatory framework around cell tower simulators hasn't hindered law enforcement.
"That the device was used appropriately once in no means addresses what our constitutional right is," she said.
"To be clear, our constitutional right is to be protected against unreasonable search and seizure. 'Trust us' is not a protection." (bill c51 is constitutional - so what are you going to do ???)
Vonn said it's likely the RCMP have offered similar StingRay services to other jurisdictions across Canada, but it's difficult to know without the requirement for public transparency.(it is very transparent - most choose to not know)
"It's almost mysterious why there has been this just unfathomable amount of secrecy in relation to StingRays," she said.
Public Safety Canada declined a request for an interview with the minister, but in an email statement it says sensitive investigative tools used by the RCMP are classified and that releasing details could harm the public, officer safety and the integrity of the justice system. (bill c51 in your face public bitches)
In a statement, RCMP spokeswoman Annie Delisle said the Mounties don't generally comment on specific investigative methods, tools and techniques outside of court. (that is so you the public are unaware of their Hitler like methods)
"The use of any investigative tools by the RCMP is governed by the Charter and subject to appropriate judicial processes," the statement reads.(just like MMJ is)
"By law, such court orders are limited, specific, and proportionate to the seriousness of the crime under investigation."
BEWARE !!!!!
THIS EQUIPMENT IS BEING USED ALL ACROSS CANADA - CELL PHONES ARE NOT SAFE
'State of Surveillance' with Edward Snowden and Shane Smith (FULL EPISODE) - Duration: 26:56.
VICE
IT IS HAPPENNING AGAIN ~ HEIL TRUDEAU
History repeats itself - look around YOU....