Just placed an order with ATTITUDE SEED CO.

i went just wallet repacked souldnt that fit in a mailbox? Any1 ever gone w/ just wallet repacked?

I just wanted to say that I am the one who originally started this thread and ATTITUDE has been solid as a rock for me every time I place an orderl. I recently got 5 joint doctors autoflowering ak47 x lowrider #2 and 10 sensi seed super skunk feminised they threw in 4 free feminised seeds 3 are from greenhouse ( with all the bad press they are getting we will see what comes out of there seeds ) cheese, church , bubba kush. the other free seed was a dinafem white widow. I always pay for the shirt and I always get my order !!! I LOVE THE ATTITUDE SEED COMPANY !!!

Hey,
im just about to place a order with attitude. im looking for a short plant with med yeild but very potent bud any recommendations??forgot to say will be indoors. i think ill order the shirt too

cheers

there are alot of them. you will want a indica . violator kush comes to mind ..ive never grown it . then barneys farm has a strain called LSD. i havnt grown it out yet either.but will have it coming.
TGA jilly bean would be another good one.THseeds MK ultra and their HOG would be a couple of more for you to look at.

Im new to ordering seeds online have a couple bagseed outdoor grows under my belt and i figured it was time to step it up a notch this yeas still germinated and planted about 120 bagseed again this year but i have also placed multiple orders recently with two different seedbanks Nirvana and Attitude i ordered 10 snow white from Nirvana this order was dispatched on 4/14. I have placed four orders with Attitude the first with 5 lemon skunk 5 x-line iced grapefruit it also shipped on 4/14. This order has had the same msg on the t&t with usps it says origin post is preparing shipment. 3rd order has 5 super lemon haze, 5 ppp, 5 critical mass, 5 mama mia, 5 x-line white widow x big bud, also got 4 freebies cole train, sharksbreath, rocklock, lemon skunk it shipped 4/19. 4th order i made just to get all the 420 freebies 3 fast bud 3 G13 quicksilver got all these for free cole train, blue cheese, red diesel, white widow. Last but not least today i ordered 5 green-o-matic, 10 special kush #1, 4 northern lights and for freebies got bubba kush the church sweet deep grapefruit. Now its all up to the USPS i'm amped to get growing.

cool derek! the tude orders take about 10 working days to get to west coast USA - east coast get theirs a little faster.. i have done four orders this year and i am very satisfied - once they omitted my 5 UFO seeds, but i don't hold it against them..

Just ordered Jilly Bean and Jack the Ripper...free bubba kush, Church, and something grapefruit...bigger dollar order than usual, so I went with the shirt so it is guaranteed...and don't forget to use coupon code 420...saved me 18 bucks!

Hayduke said:

Just ordered Jilly Bean and Jack the Ripper...free bubba kush, Church, and something grapefruit...bigger dollar order than usual, so I went with the shirt so it is guaranteed...and don't forget to use coupon code 420...saved me 18 bucks!

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What day did you order im on day 10 of shipping on my first order and still waiting i was hoping to get them before the weekend but doubt thats gonna happen just ready to get my bean and usps tracking is just a waste of time it tells you nothing.

derekburnsalot said:

What day did you order im on day 10 of shipping on my first order and still waiting i was hoping to get them before the weekend but doubt thats gonna happen just ready to get my bean and usps tracking is just a waste of time it tells you nothing.

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Shipping information, including tracking numbers, are not a great deal of help when attempting to figure out what day a order should arrive on. U.S. Postal Service tracking information is not great because sometimes it works well and other times it does not, but it seems to beat other shippers tracking information.

The biggest value found in the information is when the order entered the hands of the Postal Service or other shipping service. If that was soon after an order was placed and the seeds arrived late then you know to blame the Postal Service(s)/shipping service and Customs if also involved, and not the seedbank. If a fair bit of time passed before the order was placed in the hands of the Postal Service or other shipper and the order is late then you can most likely blame the seedbank.

I have had orders where the shipping information/tracking number was updated very often and it was easy to have a fairly accurate idea of where the order was and when and when to expect it, and that was for both foreign Postal Services and the U.S. Postal Service. Other times I have had my order in hand and the tracking information still said my order was in the hands of Customs waiting to pass.

I do not know if the systems do not automatically update as regularly as possible or if some Postal or shipping employee and or Customs employees do not bother to scan every package the way they should and by doing so failing to update the system as to where a package is at the time and to where it is next headed.

All I know for sure is none of the shipper systems can be relied on for accurate timely updates. People have to try to remember that regardless of which seedbank an order was purchased from or what country it is in, once an order is handed to the local Postal System or other shipper, after that it is all in their hands and in the hands of Customs, if a Customs department is involved in the shipment, and if so then a second Postal System has its chance to carry or fumble the ball.

One thing to keep in mind about any and every seedbank is when they say something like 7 to 10 days for international orders it actually says 7 to 10 WORKING days … and you always have to factor in any holidays that might occur in any nation involved, the nation the beans are purchased from and the nation you live in, if a different nation than where the beans were purchased from. You also have to factor in when an order was placed. If ordered late enough on say a Saturday, or later in the weekend, the first date shipment could be made would me Monday and depending on how many orders there may be to fill it might not be Monday morning when shipment can be made. Often times the person who made the order tends to start counting from the day they placed their order regardless of time zones and weekdays and weekends and holidays and odd incidents.

I once placed an order later on a Sat. afternoon here, but like middle of the night or very early morning in the country the seedbank was in, and by then it was Sun. morning. In the computer or not the physical order could not be processed before Monday morning and depending on volume of business it is possible for the order to not have shipped until Tuesday, it has been years now so I really do not remember how soon it shipped other than to remember that it was not like a number of working days passed by before shipment was made. A day or two after my shipment had been placed in the hands of the country’s Postal Service the country had a holiday and the Postal Service employees had a day off. Once shipped to the U.S. we had a holiday and I am unsure if my order was at that time in the hands of the Customs Department or the Postal Service but the holiday would have given all of them the day off anyway so it really doesn't matter in whose locked building my order sat for another full day.

That opens the easy possibility of up to three full days, slightly more depending on exact shipping time, could have been added to the number of days for shipment since they were not working days. Some people only count days, even counting half-days or less as a day because to them regardless of time even when a fair bit of the world away in a very different time zone, an order was placed on that particular day so that is where they count from.

Some only count days as if in the 7 to 10 days, or whatever applied to their distance and type of shipment, as if it did not clearly say working days along with the range of number of days. Others do as I mentioned above, they do not factor in some or any holidays. Not many people in the U.S. know British or Dutch or even Canadian holidays and of those that might know a fair number of them, some of them will still miss when holidays in two different nations the order will pass through happen to have holidays close enough together so both stop the package for a day in their land while the employee takes the wifey and kiddies to the zoo or to the beach, or hubby says he is getting the car looked at because he thought he heard a funny noise the other day and leaves his loving family at home and spends the day at a whorehouse.

I could not guess what percentage of late orders could rightly be blamed on the one or two Postal Services and possibly a Customs Department involved all being effected by holidays plus at least one full weekend day, possibly part of a second weekend day and at least part of one weekday, as in what part of Monday it takes to physically pick/pack and ship an order …. or maybe it could take longer, like even all of Monday and then at least an early part of Tuesday to actually ship. That would be of a high enough degree of probability that there would be the possibility that if many orders came in online during the hours/day(s) they were closed it could easily take one full workday and then a portion of the next to physically put someone’s order into the hands of the local Postal Service or other shipper.

When I think about how after figuring things out like holidays bumping together and actual work days and how orders placed from one time zone to another alone might mean an additional full day in physical shipment I realized that of the very few orders I made over the years that I thought were late, or ones I thought were about to be late, always turned out to have something that explained the delay, or actually perceived delay since there was a valid reason for the difference in numbers of days expected for delivery and actual number of days for delivery so they were not actually officially late.

One odd delay I remember that a friend’s order got caught up in and at first he was positive he was ripped off, and showed his ass online to the seedbank rather quickly, and then changed his mind and was almost horrified to go to his mailbox for fear he received ‘the dreaded letter’ because he had by then convinced himself that his order had been discovered and confiscated by the Customs Department because of the length of time since his shipment/tracking number said the order was in the hands of the local Postal Service where his order had been placed and the date/information of when it was shipped to the U.S.

Now I have not read up on the Customs Department in some time now so I do not know if it has expanded and if so by how much or if it has downsized since then or if it is just the same, but at the time there was only several, a very small number of Customs Departments where all packages from foreign nations went through.

My friend’s order did arrive in perfect condition, just late. At that point he knew it was not the fault of the seedbanks because they had his orders in the hands of the local Postal Service quickly. He was sure it was not the local/foreign nation's Postal Service because the tracking information showed that it had been shipped to the U.S. That just left the Customs Department or the U.S. Postal Service actually only able to be blamed, even though he first blamed the seedbank ... but then that is also why he freaked thinking it just had to be Customs. The tracking information showed the order was on the way to the Customs Department and then everything halted ... so he figured that is where things went wrong.

What eventually made it slightly funny was some time later he located an old friend who told him about another old friend and he got his info and he contacted the guy and while talking about stuff his friend said how he had something of an unexpected vacation a while back. He worked at a Customs Department and there was some underground electrical substation switching whatever site where all the power for the Custom’s Department relied on passed through and there was a fire in the substation and it took around a week to repair it. My friend’s friend said people he worked with claimed the location had a backup generator in case of loss of power but I do not know if that is true or not or if there is one and either someone made the decision to not use it and just let things backup or if possibly it was not in operating condition when needed.

Anyway it was of course the same Customs Department my friends order had passed through and the timeframe would easily have had it caught up in the logjam.

So there can be many reasons for a late order, some that turn it into an on time order that someone just thought was late and other times something totally unexpected and extremely rare can happen, and just about anything in between ….. but seldom does someone ever learn the reason for their delayed order like my friend did just by the chance luck of hearing about an old friend and getting contact information for him and it turned out he worked at the place where everything came to a halt, including of course my friends order.

Brick Top said:

Shipping information, including tracking numbers, are not a great deal of help when attempting to figure out what day a order should arrive on. U.S. Postal Service tracking information is not great because sometimes it works well and other times it does not, but it seems to beat other shippers tracking information.

The biggest value found in the information is when the order entered the hands of the Postal Service or other shipping service. If that was soon after an order was placed and the seeds arrived late then you know to blame the Postal Service(s)/shipping service and Customs if also involved, and not the seedbank. If a fair bit of time passed before the order was placed in the hands of the Postal Service or other shipper and the order is late then you can most likely blame the seedbank.

I have had orders where the shipping information/tracking number was updated very often and it was easy to have a fairly accurate idea of where the order was and when and when to expect it, and that was for both foreign Postal Services and the U.S. Postal Service. Other times I have had my order in hand and the tracking information still said my order was in the hands of Customs waiting to pass.

I do not know if the systems do not automatically update as regularly as possible or if some Postal or shipping employee and or Customs employees do not bother to scan every package the way they should and by doing so failing to update the system as to where a package is at the time and to where it is next headed.

All I know for sure is none of the shipper systems can be relied on for accurate timely updates. People have to try to remember that regardless of which seedbank an order was purchased from or what country it is in, once an order is handed to the local Postal System or other shipper, after that it is all in their hands and in the hands of Customs, if a Customs department is involved in the shipment, and if so then a second Postal System has its chance to carry or fumble the ball.

One thing to keep in mind about any and every seedbank is when they say something like 7 to 10 days for international orders it actually says 7 to 10 WORKING days … and you always have to factor in any holidays that might occur in any nation involved, the nation the beans are purchased from and the nation you live in, if a different nation than where the beans were purchased from. You also have to factor in when an order was placed. If ordered late enough on say a Saturday, or later in the weekend, the first date shipment could be made would me Monday and depending on how many orders there may be to fill it might not be Monday morning when shipment can be made. Often times the person who made the order tends to start counting from the day they placed their order regardless of time zones and weekdays and weekends and holidays and odd incidents.

I once placed an order later on a Sat. afternoon here, but like middle of the night or very early morning in the country the seedbank was in, and by then it was Sun. morning. In the computer or not the physical order could not be processed before Monday morning and depending on volume of business it is possible for the order to not have shipped until Tuesday, it has been years now so I really do not remember how soon it shipped other than to remember that it was not like a number of working days passed by before shipment was made. A day or two after my shipment had been placed in the hands of the country’s Postal Service the country had a holiday and the Postal Service employees had a day off. Once shipped to the U.S. we had a holiday and I am unsure if my order was at that time in the hands of the Customs Department or the Postal Service but the holiday would have given all of them the day off anyway so it really doesn't matter in whose locked building my order sat for another full day.

That opens the easy possibility of up to three full days, slightly more depending on exact shipping time, could have been added to the number of days for shipment since they were not working days. Some people only count days, even counting half-days or less as a day because to them regardless of time even when a fair bit of the world away in a very different time zone, an order was placed on that particular day so that is where they count from.

Some only count days as if in the 7 to 10 days, or whatever applied to their distance and type of shipment, as if it did not clearly say working days along with the range of number of days. Others do as I mentioned above, they do not factor in some or any holidays. Not many people in the U.S. know British or Dutch or even Canadian holidays and of those that might know a fair number of them, some of them will still miss when holidays in two different nations the order will pass through happen to have holidays close enough together so both stop the package for a day in their land while the employee takes the wifey and kiddies to the zoo or to the beach, or hubby says he is getting the car looked at because he thought he heard a funny noise the other day and leaves his loving family at home and spends the day at a whorehouse.

I could not guess what percentage of late orders could rightly be blamed on the one or two Postal Services and possibly a Customs Department involved all being effected by holidays plus at least one full weekend day, possibly part of a second weekend day and at least part of one weekday, as in what part of Monday it takes to physically pick/pack and ship an order …. or maybe it could take longer, like even all of Monday and then at least an early part of Tuesday to actually ship. That would be of a high enough degree of probability that there would be the possibility that if many orders came in online during the hours/day(s) they were closed it could easily take one full workday and then a portion of the next to physically put someone’s order into the hands of the local Postal Service or other shipper.

When I think about how after figuring things out like holidays bumping together and actual work days and how orders placed from one time zone to another alone might mean an additional full day in physical shipment I realized that of the very few orders I made over the years that I thought were late, or ones I thought were about to be late, always turned out to have something that explained the delay, or actually perceived delay since there was a valid reason for the difference in numbers of days expected for delivery and actual number of days for delivery so they were not actually officially late.

One odd delay I remember that a friend’s order got caught up in and at first he was positive he was ripped off, and showed his ass online to the seedbank rather quickly, and then changed his mind and was almost horrified to go to his mailbox for fear he received ‘the dreaded letter’ because he had by then convinced himself that his order had been discovered and confiscated by the Customs Department because of the length of time since his shipment/tracking number said the order was in the hands of the local Postal Service where his order had been placed and the date/information of when it was shipped to the U.S.

Now I have not read up on the Customs Department in some time now so I do not know if it has expanded and if so by how much or if it has downsized since then or if it is just the same, but at the time there was only several, a very small number of Customs Departments where all packages from foreign nations went through.

My friend’s order did arrive in perfect condition, just late. At that point he knew it was not the fault of the seedbanks because they had his orders in the hands of the local Postal Service quickly. He was sure it was not the local/foreign nation's Postal Service because the tracking information showed that it had been shipped to the U.S. That just left the Customs Department or the U.S. Postal Service actually only able to be blamed, even though he first blamed the seedbank ... but then that is also why he freaked thinking it just had to be Customs. The tracking information showed the order was on the way to the Customs Department and then everything halted ... so he figured that is where things went wrong.

What eventually made it slightly funny was some time later he located an old friend who told him about another old friend and he got his info and he contacted the guy and while talking about stuff his friend said how he had something of an unexpected vacation a while back. He worked at a Customs Department and there was some underground electrical substation switching whatever site where all the power for the Custom’s Department relied on passed through and there was a fire in the substation and it took around a week to repair it. My friend’s friend said people he worked with claimed the location had a backup generator in case of loss of power but I do not know if that is true or not or if there is one and either someone made the decision to not use it and just let things backup or if possibly it was not in operating condition when needed.

Anyway it was of course the same Customs Department my friends order had passed through and the timeframe would easily have had it caught up in the logjam.

So there can be many reasons for a late order, some that turn it into an on time order that someone just thought was late and other times something totally unexpected and extremely rare can happen, and just about anything in between ….. but seldom does someone ever learn the reason for their delayed order like my friend did just by the chance luck of hearing about an old friend and getting contact information for him and it turned out he worked at the place where everything came to a halt, including of course my friends order.

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I underestand all this im not blaming attitude i know the USPS is a shit organization with bad service. Just checked mail today nothing so i guess we'll see monday that will be 11 business days. Its been in the US for 8 days kind of ridiculous but i guess i just need to be patient.

Well i also ordered from the tude! 1 fem white russian, 1 pinapple express, 1 wonder women, 1 rocklock, 1 cole train. 5 ww X bigbud, 1 White berry, 1 sharksbreath..out of those 12 seeds everyone popped expect the pinapple expresss, the only one i wanted to pop! msot of em poppeed in 24 hours not even and the rest the next day! so im gunna let the pinapple stay in there for a little longer! when i got my order i was lookin at couple seeds and there seemed really tiny and whitish! but when i put them in the wet paper towel it darkerned up..we will see how good they grow..has anyone had any problems with crappy lookin seeds?

derekburnsalot said:

What day did you order im on day 10 of shipping on my first order and still waiting i was hoping to get them before the weekend but doubt thats gonna happen just ready to get my bean and usps tracking is just a waste of time it tells you nothing.

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Ordered late Fri US...Early Sat. Morning UK...the tude posted it today, but Royal Mail has not updated. USPS usually delivers before the tracking updates...they are the cheapest, the most reliable, and don't steal (as much) as UPS or FedEx...USPS is your friend when mailing things to friends

derekburnsalot said:

I underestand all this im not blaming attitude i know the USPS is a shit organization with bad service. Just checked mail today nothing so i guess we'll see monday that will be 11 business days. Its been in the US for 8 days kind of ridiculous but i guess i just need to be patient.

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How close do you live to O'Hare (Chicago)???

Hayduke said:

Ordered late Fri US...Early Sat. Morning UK...the tude posted it today, but Royal Mail has not updated. USPS usually delivers before the tracking updates...they are the cheapest, the most reliable, and don't steal (as much) as UPS or FedEx...USPS is your friend when mailing things to friends



How close do you live to O'Hare (Chicago)???

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im 3 hours from Ohare and just as an update i got my first two orders one from nirvana and one from attitude took 12 days nirvana packaging more discreet. Nirvana seeds more mature ill update again with the germ rate.

derekburnsalot said:

I underestand all this im not blaming attitude i know the USPS is a shit organization with bad service. Just checked mail today nothing so i guess we'll see monday that will be 11 business days. Its been in the US for 8 days kind of ridiculous but i guess i just need to be patient.

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You do know that the USPS has been cutting back hours of operation a little at a time for a while now and do not perform or any functions on certain days now that they did in the past.

The service has fallen apart. When I was a kid, back when dirt was new and dinosaurs roamed the planet and they didn’t teach history in schools because there hadn’t been any yet, it cost 2 cents to mail a letter. Today neighbors of mine that are moving asked if I would collect their mail that continues to be delivered here and send it to them in bulk and then once there they will have things changed or ended. They were going to have it forwarded as people always have in the past but now the USPS wants $9.00 per week that they forward your mail, even if you go a week without mail it is still on the watch list to be forwarded so they charge you $9.00 per week. I can cram two or three weeks worth of mail into one of the flat-rate boxes that are cheaper and save them some bucks … but it is just an example of how the USPS keeps doing less on less number of days, or hours per day, and charging you more every chance they get.

And the USPS actually wonders why so many people instead rely on emails, FedEx and UPS whenever they can.

At times like this the only thing that can be said is to remember that Rome wasn’t built in a day, and neither was Syracuse.

DoWorkSon said:

when i got my order i was lookin at couple seeds and there seemed really tiny and whitish! but when i put them in the wet paper towel it darkerned up..we will see how good they grow..has anyone had any problems with crappy lookin seeds?

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Some seeds, depending on strain, will be smaller and lighter color even when fully mature. Other times it can be a sign of an immature bean. It takes trying to pop them, and to do it right, to find out the difference sometimes.

I have been fooled a number of times trying to judge beans likely performance by eye appeal when I first saw them. One case was a pack of Green House Seeds feminized Neville’s Haze. When I first looked at the breeder pack I thought the small dented bubbles that each contain one bean were all empty. The beans were all tiny and such a light green that you could almost say they were half-way between light green and white and with the dent in the plastic bubble you had to look close to see they were even there.

They grew like I lived next door to a nuclear power plant. All but two popped in less than 12 hours, one in roughly 18 hours and one did not pop .. but the four were very vibrant very healthy well producing quality results plants.

An even bigger surprise came from some free G13 Labs regular beans. When I looked at them I thought they were a practical joke and not the real free beans. I cannot think of anything right now to use for a size comparative so I will just say they were by far the smallest seeds I have ever seen in my life that were not so immature that they would crumble in your hand.

All popped and while only two were females they were voracious growing plants.

Beans that are small and or light colored can be nonviable immature beans and other times it can just be what they look like when that strain or strains are mature. You can’t read a book by its cover, you have to start flipping pages and keep going until you can’t flip any more.

Long before seedbanks existed and almost everyone grew from bagseed I had gotten used to seeds from strains like Colombian Gold, Acapulco Gold, Panama Red, Malawi Gold Durban Poison and others of the era and it did seem that the darker, or darker and more spotted, and shiny really fat beans were the best and the lighter colored smaller ones were not as good.

We then had an era of Hawaiian and it was not as if all the seeds were ultra light colored but a totally viable seed could be lighter colored than anything that you would have picked when picking through the beans previously mentioned. My first impression of them was that most were immature beans, and likely to the point of being nonviable. But I was wrong.

That is when I started to figure out that in some cases some strains just have lighter colored beans on average and some are smaller on average and sometimes they are both and that looks can be deceiving. Sometimes when beans look bad, they are bad, but until you give them a go you really don’t know for sure and over time you will be fooled more times than you imagine you might be and have those experiences where when you first look at some beans they will not inspire confidence, but they later become your pride and joy.

It’s happened to me enough times that I have long since stopped looking at new seeds and thinking, yippee, I got winners … or … oh heck, this won’t be pretty.

I had the same reaction when I got some Nevilles Haze a couple years ago. Damn they were crappy looking little seeds, but the plant outgrew my room in no time. I topped it, bent it and tied it before it finallly finished.

txhomegrown said:

I had the same reaction when I got some Nevilles Haze a couple years ago. Damn they were crappy looking little seeds, but the plant outgrew my room in no time. I topped it, bent it and tied it before it finallly finished.

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The difference between a nonviable immature bean and one that is small or light colored, or both, and is totally viable is not always known for sure until the attempt to grow then has been done. Sadly some people just do not realize that and end up complaining well before there is just cause.

If more people were used to dealing with smaller and or lighter colored beans, like others found themselves doing in the past and even the present depending on strains, fewer people would jump to the conclusion that smaller and or lighter colored beans if nothing else at the very least means slightly immature beans with an increased likelihood of not being viable if not out and out junk, compost, worthless.

If someone does this long enough and experiences a diverse enough range of strains they will be surprised more than just a time or two.

I liked your Neville’s Haze story. Some time back I was taken totally unaware by what evidently was a very sativa dominant phenotype of Lemon Skunk because I had a couple take off faster than Wile E. Coyote with his butt glue-gunned to an Acme rocket. Others fit the breeder info close enough to call it accurate, but a couple were alien or something.

When I went for the Neville’s Haze I considered going 12/12 from seedling to control the height but I really like the results of Uncle Ben’s topping technique, so I went with that. It is not like I am height deficient but before things ended I did my share of tying them down.

I am not in any way blaming that on my choice for doing the Uncle Ben’s topping thing, and definitely NOT blaming Uncle Ben’s topping technique in particular ….. instead of just starting with a 12/12 light cycle. I think either way I would have had to deal with the same thing to a close enough degree that it would hardly matter either way, but the increased yield from topping did make it all that much more worthwhile.

I love the stuff but it does have the tendency of finding itself in positions you are not prepared for, or able to adapt to, if you do not do something in the beginning to keep it low, and then adapt as needed if and when needed after that, which could be likely for many.

It may take a bit longer to mature than some people like and as mentioned you do have to really watch its growth, and it has the annoying habit of dropping so many leaves and doing it so early that your plants can end up looking like freshly clipped poodles and you still have a bit of time left to go before harvest, and you drive yourself nuts the first time it happens trying solve a problem that does not exist … too me its all well worth the final results.

The older I get, the more I need a sativa buzz to get me off of my tired old butt and get things done, but I have not had the room (height) to do a sativa justice. With any luck I am going to be able to take care of that problem sometime this fall. I recently bought 5 acres that has a big old 30 x 60 foot barn on it. What I am going to do is build a multi room grow-op inside the barn. They will have 10 foot ceilings. Here is the fun part. It was a dairy barn and has a dirt floor with cow poop and hay worked in. So, in one room I am going to plant directly into the dirt after I work it about 2 feet deep and add compost and other plant yummies. I should be able to grow four 8 footers in there under a 1000 watt light. I might have to add some suplimental side lighting of some kind.

im down with the dairy grow ! haha i look at our old barn all the time and go wow if only my father would let me do the things i dream !