Ace Yonder
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Read an actual history book about what happened in '47-'48, and throw in one on '67 for good measure, then come back and talk.
Just in case you thought Israel was a nice country, just misunderstood
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Corso312
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bravedave
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Nor do I. As to the rest...u funny
socalcoolmx
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I can research some of the older things you talk about but as far as the paestinians allying with the nazi's thats been debunked but the Zionist where trying to ally with hitler. The Zionist believed the Jews didn't belong in Germany living with the german people as did the Nazis
I should of said relitively peaceful. 1033-1517-1838 hundreds of years of relitive peace wow that would be nice would it
in the 1490'sWhere did most of the spanish jews go
" a lot of Sephardim* (~30,000) went to North Africa, the last remnant of the Islamic empire under which they had lived reasonably safely in Spain. However, the most Sephardim (~110,000), attracted by a welcome from Sultan Bajazet, went to Turkey and the western part of the Ottoman Empire. Although, apparently a few did go to the Holy Lands."
Ace Yonder
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You are completely backwards on that. Not only has al-Husseini's support of Hitler not been "debunked", it is a well documented fact. Your assertion that Zionists allied with Hitler, however, is in fact nothing more than antisemitic conspiracy theory propaganda, almost as reprehensible as asserting that The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is anything other than a blatant forgery/hoax (Much in the same detestable way that Hamas asserts, to this day, that it is a real and genuine document).
"Putting aside differences with the British over Jewish immigration to Palestine and the 1939 White Paper, some 30,000 Palestinian Jews enlisted in the British army during the war." -The Colombia Guide to the Holocaust
"We must assist the British in the war as if there were no White Paper and we must resist the White Paper as if there were no war." -David Ben-Gurion, September 1939
"In keeping with this general design aimed at the extermination of the Jews, on 3 April 1941, al-Husseini orchestrated an Iraqi government takeover, with Nazi support and financing, led by Rashid Ali al-Gaylani (1892-1965). He took advantage of the turmoil ignited by the coup to incite the slaughter of 600 Jews in Baghdad. 911 houses were destroyed and 568 businesses ransacked." -A Genealogy of Evil: Anti-Semitism from Nazism to Islamic Jihad
"The active cooperation of the world's 400 million Muslims with their loyal friends, the German, can be of decisive influence upon the outcome of the war. You, my Bosnian Muslims, are the first Islamic division and serve as an example of the active collaboration....My enemy's enemy is my friend." -Amin al-Husseini July 1943
"It is the duty of Muhammadans in general and Arabs in particular to ... drive all Jews from Arab and Muhammadan countries... . Germany is also struggling against the common foe who oppressed Arabs and Muhammadans in their different countries. It has very clearly recognized the Jews for what they are and resolved to find a definitive solution for the Jewish danger that will eliminate the scourge that Jews represent in the world." - Amin al-Husseini, November 1943.
bravedave
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Wow... look at the three stooges together documenting that they don't know shit, don't want to learn shit, and are just happy to just pass on and perpetuate bullshit.
socalcoolmx
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you are right he did ally with the Nazi's I stand corrected that was not debunked it was Netayahu version that was false about hitler asking him what to do
Before the Nazi's started murdering the jews they wanted them to leave to palestine around 1933 adolf Eichman traveled there
In 1937, Labor Zionist Feivel Polkes invited Eichmann to Palestine. On 2 October 1937, the Nazi visited a kibbutz. Realizing he was a German agent, the British deported him to Egypt, where he eventually met Polkes, who offered to spy for Germany in return for loosened currency restrictions for Zionists.
In 1944, Labor Zionist Reszo Kasztner (a.k.a. Rudolph Kastner) negotiated with Eichmann, offering silence on Nazi plans to deport 750,000 Hungarian Jews to Auschwitz in return for Eichmann's promise to send prominent Jews to Switzerland. In 1946, Kasztner reported his activities to the World Zionist Organization. In 1953, the Israeli government on Kasztner's behalf sued a Hungarian Jew for libeling Kasztner as a Nazi collaborator, but the judge found him a collaborator. He was assassinated by right-wing Zionists but the Labor-Zionist dominated Supreme Court ruled posthumously on his appeal. He didn't collaborate because "no law . . . lays down the duties of a leader in an hour of emergency toward those who rely on leadership and are under his instructions" (Ben Hecht, Perfidy, p. 272). But he did perjure himself in a Nuremberg affidavit on behalf of an SS man.
you are right alot of muslem countries allied with Hitler's nazi's mainly out of distain for Britain
The Muffi didn;t want the europe jews to come there.
Before the Nazi's started murdering the jews they wanted them to leave to palestine around 1933 adolf Eichman traveled there
In 1937, Labor Zionist Feivel Polkes invited Eichmann to Palestine. On 2 October 1937, the Nazi visited a kibbutz. Realizing he was a German agent, the British deported him to Egypt, where he eventually met Polkes, who offered to spy for Germany in return for loosened currency restrictions for Zionists.
In 1944, Labor Zionist Reszo Kasztner (a.k.a. Rudolph Kastner) negotiated with Eichmann, offering silence on Nazi plans to deport 750,000 Hungarian Jews to Auschwitz in return for Eichmann's promise to send prominent Jews to Switzerland. In 1946, Kasztner reported his activities to the World Zionist Organization. In 1953, the Israeli government on Kasztner's behalf sued a Hungarian Jew for libeling Kasztner as a Nazi collaborator, but the judge found him a collaborator. He was assassinated by right-wing Zionists but the Labor-Zionist dominated Supreme Court ruled posthumously on his appeal. He didn't collaborate because "no law . . . lays down the duties of a leader in an hour of emergency toward those who rely on leadership and are under his instructions" (Ben Hecht, Perfidy, p. 272). But he did perjure himself in a Nuremberg affidavit on behalf of an SS man.
you are right alot of muslem countries allied with Hitler's nazi's mainly out of distain for Britain
The Muffi didn;t want the europe jews to come there.
Flaming Pie
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I love when people can debate without things getting too heated.
Exchange of ideas.
Exchange of ideas.
socalcoolmx
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I can go on on with this stuff countering everthing the the zionist, The Jews where the victims of the nazi holocaust but now the palestinians are the victims of the zionist state
bravedave
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What exactly did you "counter"?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionist_political_violence
http://www.cjpmo.org/DisplayDocument.aspx?DocumentID=45
IRGUN - The Zionist Terrorist Group that Benjamin Netanyahu's Father was a part of
Deny all you want... if you cant acknowledge Zionist Crimes and just cherry pick how to make Israel look like a victim then your Brainwashed and ignorant
http://www.cjpmo.org/DisplayDocument.aspx?DocumentID=45
IRGUN - The Zionist Terrorist Group that Benjamin Netanyahu's Father was a part of
Deny all you want... if you cant acknowledge Zionist Crimes and just cherry pick how to make Israel look like a victim then your Brainwashed and ignorant
bravedave
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What is being denied again? Exactly. Seems y'all have the market cornered on denial.
Or maybe, what 21st century Zionist crimes are we to be denying?
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ttystikk
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This was a good post- right up until you started name calling. Let's leave the emotionalism out of it and concentrate on validity of evidence, so it can lead us in the right direction.
ttystikk
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We have a good debate going here, I'm learning a lot on a subject I already thought I knew something about. I'd hate to see that get derailed by a bunch of people starting a flame war.
So keep bringing those nuggets of knowledge!
If there are myths or misinformation, it's important that we approach them the same way; this thread is about peeling away the lies, smoke screens and bullshit surrounding the Arab / Israel situation to achieve some clarity.
It's pretty clear that the way things are, especially in terms of American involvement, are pretty intolerable to most of us.
UncleBuck
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you're a holocaust denier. stop trying to educate anyone.
Mr Hyde
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what did bush do before that, and clinton, and sr bush and blah blah blah... is there any reason to point out obama above the rest or are we just keeping it to whats going on right here right now lol.I don't believe so but it is a good place to be fighting the bullshit war on terror from even though terrorists literally kill less westerners than bee stings.lol, Thanks Obama without a meaningless war what would we ever do?
Ace Yonder
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Blaming Obama for the war now is like blaming Johnson for Vietnam. It requires a willful denial of the complex situations that each inherited, which were shaped in large part by the decisions of others who came before them.
NLXSK1
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Yeah, well Obama promised as part of his election campaign to fix it. That hasnt happened. So I blame him for either lying or being incompetent.
Ace Yonder
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Or blame the house of representatives for blocking him more than they have blocked any president in history, and being the least productive house since the 40's... but that might require a little too much logic. We should all continue on believing the president has dictatorial level power and can just make unilateral changes to make everything he wants to happen miraculously happen, right??? Other presidents have a 100% election campaign promise keeping record yeah?