Jordan Peterson

Heisenberg

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hey heisenberg, you can agree that your new fan dbkick is a rabid jew hater, right?
"The tactic behind whataboutism has been around for a long time. Rhetoricians generally consider it to be a form of tu quoque, which means 'you too' in Latin and involves charging your accuser with whatever it is you've just been accused of rather than refuting the truth of the accusation made against you. Tu quoque is considered to be a logical fallacy, because whether or not the original accuser is likewise guilty of an offense has no bearing on the truth value of the original accusation."

https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/whataboutism-origin-meaning
 

Heisenberg

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The term "cultural Marxism" has an academic usage within cultural studies, where it refers to a form of anti-capitalist cultural critique which specifically targets those aspects of culture that are seen as profit-driven and mass-produced under capitalism.[58][59][60][61][62] As an area of the Frankfurt School's discourse, "cultural Marxism" has commonly considered the industrialization and mass production of culture by the culture industry as having an overall negative effect on society, an effect which can mislead an audience away from perceiving a more authentic sense of human values.[63][59] British theorists such as Richard Hoggart of the Birmingham School developed a working class sense of "British Cultural Marxism" which objected to the "massification" and "drift" away from local cultures, a process of commercialization Hoggart saw as being enabled by tabloid newspapers, advertising, and the American film industry.[64]
To be fair, this usage is virtually nonexistent outside of a classroom. When you hear the term used on social media it's safe to assume the subject is the conspiracy theory which blames social progress like marriage equality and women's rights on a plot by the Jews to bring down traditionalist values.

The term 'neo-marxist' is a more broad but often used to refer to those who make statements like 'gender is a social construct.' There are no real unifying ideas behind neo-marxism (aside from the implied acknowledgment that Marxism on its own is inadequate). Knowing that someone is a neo-marxist doesn't tell you much. If you want specifics on what they believe, you'd have to ask them because it can differ quite a bit between groups.

One of the criticisms of JP is that he uses loose language and speaks ambiguously so that it's hard to tell exactly what he is referring to. When he talks about cultural marxism and neo-marxism he seems to be referring to the ills he perceives leftist social policies would have on society, but it is unclear if he actually thinks this is a conspiracy by the Jews (my guess is no) or is merely referring to the agenda of the extreme left.

As far as I can tell, JP seems to be saying that he sees marriage equality as having a net negative effect on society, but that he supports it despite his concerns. Of course, in the world of the SJW, this is not acceptable. Anything but enthusiastic support is seen as being just as bad as violent disagreement. Personally I tend to not put the good of society above the good of the individual, however I am not so fragile as to see nuanced views as evil.
 
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Heisenberg

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I only speak the truth
"I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and doggone it, people like me."

Deal with it, ladies
Did you just use 'ladies' as a derogatory term? Because ladies aren't good at dealing with stuff? If JP said this you would be decrying his sexism at the top of your shrill lungs. Fortunately for you, JP has said other terrible things, which gives you something to point to when you are called out on your misogynist slip.
 

UncleBuck

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"The tactic behind whataboutism has been around for a long time. Rhetoricians generally consider it to be a form of tu quoque, which means 'you too' in Latin and involves charging your accuser with whatever it is you've just been accused of rather than refuting the truth of the accusation made against you. Tu quoque is considered to be a logical fallacy, because whether or not the original accuser is likewise guilty of an offense has no bearing on the truth value of the original accusation."

https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/whataboutism-origin-meaning
You could just admit he hates jews

No need to apologize for him
 

UncleBuck

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To be fair, this usage is virtually nonexistent outside of a classroom. When you hear the term used on social media it's safe to assume the subject is the conspiracy theory which blames social progress like marriage equality and women's rights on a plot by the Jews to bring down traditionalist values.

The term 'neo-marxist' is a more broad but often used to refer to those who make statements like 'gender is a social construct.' There are no real unifying ideas behind neo-marxism (aside from the implied acknowledgment that Marxism on its own is inadequate). Knowing that someone is a neo-marxist doesn't tell you much. If you want specifics on what they believe, you'd have to ask them because it can differ quite a bit between groups.

One of the criticisms of JP is that he uses loose language and speaks ambiguously so that it's hard to tell exactly what he is referring to. When he talks about cultural marxism and neo-marxism he seems to be referring to the ills he perceives leftist social policies would have on society, but it is unclear if he actually thinks this is a conspiracy by the Jews (my guess is no) or is merely referring to the agenda of the extreme left.

As far as I can tell, JP seems to be saying that he sees marriage equality as having a net negative effect on society, but that he supports it despite his concerns. Of course, in the world of the SJW, this is not acceptable. Anything but enthusiastic support is seen as being just as bad as violent disagreement. Personally I tend to not put the good of society above the good of the individual, however I am not so fragile as to see nuanced views as evil.
not sure why you would be charitable to a nazi

Make better decisions
 

UncleBuck

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oh i know this one... someone i know been telling me about this

is it....

is it a......

"nazi conspiracy"????


if i thought you be honest enough to read it id bother answering properly but as you shown with your answer to marys confident you have no intentions of honest discussion
how long are you guys gonna try to deny that jordan peterson is spreading nazi propaganda?

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Beefbisquit

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Cultural Bolshevism (German: Kulturbolschewismus), sometimes referred to specifically as "art Bolshevism" or "music Bolshevism",[1] was a term widely used by critics in Nazi Germany to denounce modernist movements in the arts, particularly when seeking to discredit more nihilistic forms of expression. This first became an issue during 1925 in Weimar Germany. German artists such as Max Ernst and Max Beckmann were denounced by Adolf Hitler, the Nazi Party and other right-wingnationalists as "cultural Bolsheviks". The propaganda term persisted after such art forms became disapproved of in the Soviet Union under Joseph Stalin as bourgeois, in favor of the more realist-orientated aesthetics of socialist realism.

.....is not;

The term "cultural Marxism" has an academic usage within cultural studies, where it refers to a form of anti-capitalist cultural critique which specifically targets those aspects of culture that are seen as profit-driven and mass-produced under capitalism.[58][59][60][61][62] As an area of the Frankfurt School's discourse, "cultural Marxism" has commonly considered the industrialization and mass production of culture by the culture industry as having an overall negative effect on society, an effect which can mislead an audience away from perceiving a more authentic sense of human values.[63][59] British theorists such as Richard Hoggart of the Birmingham School developed a working class sense of "British Cultural Marxism" which objected to the "massification" and "drift" away from local cultures, a process of commercialization Hoggart saw as being enabled by tabloid newspapers, advertising, and the American film industry.[64]

Not the same, fuck-stick.
 

UncleBuck

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Cultural Bolshevism (German: Kulturbolschewismus), sometimes referred to specifically as "art Bolshevism" or "music Bolshevism",[1] was a term widely used by critics in Nazi Germany to denounce modernist movements in the arts, particularly when seeking to discredit more nihilistic forms of expression. This first became an issue during 1925 in Weimar Germany. German artists such as Max Ernst and Max Beckmann were denounced by Adolf Hitler, the Nazi Party and other right-wingnationalists as "cultural Bolsheviks". The propaganda term persisted after such art forms became disapproved of in the Soviet Union under Joseph Stalin as bourgeois, in favor of the more realist-orientated aesthetics of socialist realism.

.....is not;

The term "cultural Marxism" has an academic usage within cultural studies, where it refers to a form of anti-capitalist cultural critique which specifically targets those aspects of culture that are seen as profit-driven and mass-produced under capitalism.[58][59][60][61][62] As an area of the Frankfurt School's discourse, "cultural Marxism" has commonly considered the industrialization and mass production of culture by the culture industry as having an overall negative effect on society, an effect which can mislead an audience away from perceiving a more authentic sense of human values.[63][59] British theorists such as Richard Hoggart of the Birmingham School developed a working class sense of "British Cultural Marxism" which objected to the "massification" and "drift" away from local cultures, a process of commercialization Hoggart saw as being enabled by tabloid newspapers, advertising, and the American film industry.[64]

Not the same, fuck-stick.
"JUST BECAUSE JORDAN PETERSON TIPS $14.88 ANYTIME HE GOES OUT TO A RESTAURANT DOES NOT IMPLY HE IS SUBTLY SPREADING NAZI PROPAGANDA!. ALSO, WAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH"

- you
 

Beefbisquit

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"JUST BECAUSE JORDAN PETERSON TIPS $14.88 ANYTIME HE GOES OUT TO A RESTAURANT DOES NOT IMPLY HE IS SUBTLY SPREADING NAZI PROPAGANDA!. ALSO, WAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH"

- you
"I attack anything that doesn't fall in line with my absurd left-wing doctrine. I'm incapable of listening or holding any form of nuanced or informed thought. My best weapon is creating strawmen of 1/2 truths based on what people I don't agree with say. Then, I attempt to back up my stances with memes because I'm both childish and retarded. I am as smart as a box of hair." - Buck

Whatever you do, don't address the actual points I made demonstrating that Cultural Bolshevism and Cultural Marxism are not the same thing. If you addressed my points, you'd be admitting you're an idiot and that you're wrong. (Which you are)
 
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Beefbisquit

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I'd also like to point out that the "political correctness" you represent has origins in Maoist doctrine. Clearly as someone who is unabashedly PC, you, according to your own IDIOTIC stance, support all things Maoist because you are using the same term that Mao Zedong did. Mao killed 45 million people in 4 years, and you support his doctrine. How dare you.

Congratulations, you are a genocide supporting, communist, piece of human garbage by word affiliation.
 
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UncleBuck

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"I attack anything that doesn't fall in line with my absurd left-wing doctrine. I'm incapable of listening or holding any form of nuanced or informed thought. My best weapon is creating strawmen of 1/2 truths based on what people I don't agree with say. Then, I attempt to back up my stances with memes because I'm both childish and retarded. I am as smart as a box of hair." - Buck

Whatever you do, don't address the actual points I made demonstrating that Cultural Bolshevism and Cultural Marxism are not the same thing. If you addressed my points, you'd be admitting you're an idiot and that you're wrong. (Which you are)
There is no nuance here

Cultural Marxism is nazi propaganda
 

Beefbisquit

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There is no nuance here

Cultural Marxism is nazi propaganda
No it's not.

Try again.

Also;

"I'd also like to point out that the "political correctness" you represent has origins in Maoist doctrine. Clearly as someone who is unabashedly PC, you, according to your own IDIOTIC stance, support all things Maoist because you are using the same term that Mao Zedong did. Mao killed 45 million people in 4 years, and you support his doctrine. How dare you.

Congratulations, you are a genocide supporting, communist, piece of human garbage by word affiliation."
 

UncleBuck

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No it's not.

Try again.

Also;

"I'd also like to point out that the "political correctness" you represent has origins in Maoist doctrine. Clearly as someone who is unabashedly PC, you, according to your own IDIOTIC stance, support all things Maoist because you are using the same term that Mao Zedong did. Mao killed 45 million people in 4 years, and you support his doctrine. How dare you.

Congratulations, you are a genocide supporting, communist, piece of human garbage by word affiliation."
Cultural Marxism is nazi propaganda

Just look at Ron Paul’s little cartoon. Tell me where the nuance is in that

And calm down

Take a nap
 
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